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Who knows, maybe there will be a case to be made, but so far it's the same old fantastical wishful thinking that's part and parcel of TDS...
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How does one not build a case againsts ones self when the case is being manufactured on the fly?

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Apparently Willie Brown has chugged the "Trump cult" kool-aid:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Impeachment-a-winner-for-Democrats-Don-t-bet-14803559.php

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If the goal was to damage President Trump by formalizing the impeachment inquiry, it’s Mission Unaccomplished for House Democrats.

If anything, the vote solidified Trump’s hold on power. There were zero GOP defections, meaning we have zero drama heading into the public phase of impeachment. Everyone is pretty much in the same lanes they’ve been in since the Russian-collusion investigation, the obstruction of justice investigation and every other investigation.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, that gives people little reason to be glued to their screens when House committees take public testimony. The basic story — Trump pressured Ukraine to announce investigations into Democrats that would help Trump — is out there already. People know how they feel about it, and if you believe the polls, they’re pretty evenly split on whether the president deserves to be thrown out of office.

The only potential drama before last week’s vote was whether there might be any movement, whether any Republicans would see it Democrats’ way.

Looks like they don’t.

And when it gets to the Senate, it will play out just the same way. Someone like Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah may break GOP ranks, but no one thinks 20 Republicans, the bare minimum who would have to defect to convict Trump, would actually do so.

So the Democrats will spend the next few precious months acting out a pretend cliffhanger to which everyone actually knows the script and the ending. No plot twists in sight. Remember health care, the issue that won so many elections for Democrats in 2018? You might, but they don’t seem to.

Come next year, Trump will have an impeachment victory and quite possibly a solid economy. The Democrats will have — what?

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Apparently Willie Brown has chugged the "Trump cult" kool-aid:  https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Impeachment-a-winner-for-Democrats-Don-t-bet-14803559.php

    Come next year, Trump will have an impeachment victory and quite possibly a solid economy. The Democrats will have — what?



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Come the next election they will have new people in leadership positions. People like Beto,Buttplug,and ALO.  The current leadership will be seen to be old and out of touch,and they will be replaced by the New Guard Left.

I strongly suspect the same will be said for the alleged Republican Party after 2024. After decades of alleged Republican leaders wringing their hands and telling their voters "I tried to change things,but those mean old Dims just wouldn't let me!",in came an outsider who HAD been a registered Dim for business purposes,and changed virtually everything with virtually no insider political help.

I just don't see much "business as usual" after Trump wins in 2020.

BTW,did anyone else watch "This Week with Little Georgie" on teebee this morning? I have to admit that I was shocked,and since I have thrown so much (justified) trash at him in the past,I feel obligated to stand up for him now. Damned if he didn't almost seem non-partisan today. He asked the tough question of his Dim guests that needed to be asked,and in a few cases he even asked the right backup questions. Never seen him do this before. If you didn't know better,you would think he was an actual reporte.
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So, ol' Nana wants to have expanded hearings, eh?  Let her.  Please.  It would be like giving a perp extra rope for the hanging. 

Popcorn, anyone?   :pop41:

Beer?   :beer:

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So, ol' Nana wants to have expanded hearings, eh?  Let her.  Please.  It would be like giving a perp extra rope for the hanging. 

Popcorn, anyone?   :pop41:

Beer?   :beer:

I disagree.   I'm a bit weary of popcorn by now.   Plus, the fact is.... the rats are not only wasting taxpayer money on this ongoing, constant witch hunt and attempt to tamper with next year's election results by slandering Trump 24/7.... but they're not getting a damned thing done in Congress that "needs" to be done.   You know.  Like maybe.... their job....

of making and passing laws that benefit Americans .... vs. that harm us!   
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@Snarknado

Come the next election they will have new people in leadership positions. People like Beto,Buttplug,and ALO.  The current leadership will be seen to be old and out of touch,and they will be replaced by the New Guard Left.

I strongly suspect the same will be said for the alleged Republican Party after 2024. After decades of alleged Republican leaders wringing their hands and telling their voters "I tried to change things,but those mean old Dims just wouldn't let me!",in came an outsider who HAD been a registered Dim for business purposes,and changed virtually everything with virtually no insider political help.

I just don't see much "business as usual" after Trump wins in 2020.

BTW,did anyone else watch "This Week with Little Georgie" on teebee this morning? I have to admit that I was shocked,and since I have thrown so much (justified) trash at him in the past,I feel obligated to stand up for him now. Damned if he didn't almost seem non-partisan today. He asked the tough question of his Dim guests that needed to be asked,and in a few cases he even asked the right backup questions. Never seen him do this before. If you didn't know better,you would think he was an actual reporte.
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@Snarknado

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I just don't see much "business as usual" after Trump wins in 2020.
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Trump will have to clean up his act though. The "let the voters decide" argument gives him more than enough cover this time, but similar incidents after the election would have to be taken more seriously. Plus any economic downturn in coming years would make him more vulnerable.
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@Snarknado

Come the next election they will have new people in leadership positions. People like Beto,Buttplug,and ALO.  The current leadership will be seen to be old and out of touch,and they will be replaced by the New Guard Left.

I strongly suspect the same will be said for the alleged Republican Party after 2024. After decades of alleged Republican leaders wringing their hands and telling their voters "I tried to change things,but those mean old Dims just wouldn't let me!",in came an outsider who HAD been a registered Dim for business purposes,and changed virtually everything with virtually no insider political help.

I just don't see much "business as usual" after Trump wins in 2020.

BTW,did anyone else watch "This Week with Little Georgie" on teebee this morning? I have to admit that I was shocked,and since I have thrown so much (justified) trash at him in the past,I feel obligated to stand up for him now. Damned if he didn't almost seem non-partisan today. He asked the tough question of his Dim guests that needed to be asked,and in a few cases he even asked the right backup questions. Never seen him do this before. If you didn't know better,you would think he was an actual reporte.
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Trump will have to clean up his act though. The "let the voters decide" argument gives him more than enough cover this time, but similar incidents after the election would have to be taken more seriously. Plus any economic downturn in coming years would make him more vulnerable.

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You can't be serious. If anything,he will take off the restraints and go full-throttle because he will never face election again,and will only be controlled by what the history books will write. Don't forget,unlike other presidents that are looking for money and connections for their families,all Trump is looking for is his accomplishments being written about in the history books.
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@Snarknado

Come the next election they will have new people in leadership positions. People like Beto,Buttplug,and ALO.  The current leadership will be seen to be old and out of touch,and they will be replaced by the New Guard Left.

I strongly suspect the same will be said for the alleged Republican Party after 2024. After decades of alleged Republican leaders wringing their hands and telling their voters "I tried to change things,but those mean old Dims just wouldn't let me!",in came an outsider who HAD been a registered Dim for business purposes,and changed virtually everything with virtually no insider political help.

I just don't see much "business as usual" after Trump wins in 2020.

BTW,did anyone else watch "This Week with Little Georgie" on teebee this morning? I have to admit that I was shocked,and since I have thrown so much (justified) trash at him in the past,I feel obligated to stand up for him now. Damned if he didn't almost seem non-partisan today. He asked the tough question of his Dim guests that needed to be asked,and in a few cases he even asked the right backup questions. Never seen him do this before. If you didn't know better,you would think he was an actual reporte.

With the Durham/Barr investigations heating up it may be the media is at the 'every man/woman for themselves' stage if they want to salvage any credibility at all. Of course we know their credibility is long gone, but they don't know that.

If you believe Lee Smith's account in his book the media complicity in the Russia hoax was vast and is now beyond doubt.


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With the Durham/Barr investigations heating up it may be the media is at the 'every man/woman for themselves' stage if they want to salvage any credibility at all. Of course we know their credibility is long gone, but they don't know that.

If you believe Lee Smith's account in his book the media complicity in the Russia hoax was vast and is now beyond doubt.

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The ONLY thing I wouldn't believe about the media is that they aren't anti-American.
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You can't be serious. If anything,he will take off the restraints and go full-throttle because he will never face election again,and will only be controlled by what the history books will write. Don't forget,unlike other presidents that are looking for money and connections for their families,all Trump is looking for is his accomplishments being written about in the history books.

I'm not saying I expect him to do that; I don't. I'm just saying that a repeat of this kind of incident would then be much more likely to lead to impeachment and possibly conviction. Repubs can't afford to abandon him now, but after the election he has much less leverage on them, assuming he's still in office at all. At that point many will be comfortable with removing him in favor of his VP, and there will be much less to fear from retaliation by his base.
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I'm not saying I expect him to do that; I don't. I'm just saying that a repeat of this kind of incident would then be much more likely to lead to impeachment and possibly conviction. Repubs can't afford to abandon him now, but after the election he has much less leverage on them, assuming he's still in office at all. At that point many will be comfortable with removing him in favor of his VP, and there will be much less to fear from retaliation by his base.

@Snarknado

I see him as being in a FAR stronger position after re-election than he is now. Career Politicians may be clueless about many things,but not about the direction the wind is blowing,and a Trump re-election will send out a strong signal that business as usual is OVER,and they need to adapt to the new mind sets of the voters.

The traditional RNC voters are the pod people Anti-Trump voters we see here and on other sites. NOTHING could make them happier than seeing Poppy or Boy Jorge back in the WH again,and they will never vote for a rude outsider like Trump. Trump winning again not only means those geezers are dying off and have less influence than ever,but that there is a "new sheriff in town" as well as whole BUNCH of "new deputies" who voted him into office. Any politician that doesn't take note of that wind shift is going to be out of office soon.

BTW,I see the Dim Party changing,too. I see them shifting ever further left,and getting radical about it instead of trying to hide it. They will be going after,and appealing to the late teen-20 something idiots primarily,with a few old Comrades helping them man the barriers.
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