Poll: Forty percent considering third party vote in 2020

[TomSea]

Vote your conscience, huh?

Well, my conscience tells me first, believe my eyes—good economy and employment, overflow crowds at Trump rallies, growing support among blacks and Latinos, a foreign policy that favors America and values its warriors.

Second, believe my head—historically, viable third-party candidates never succeed.

Third, my conscience tells me to consider the consequences of stupidly splitting the vote—taking your eye off the ball—and allowing democrats to succeed and get away with treachery and deceit, and their unconscionable arrogance to think they could nullify the 2016 election.

My conscience is clear.

It's like you said a while ago, vote for what is best in the nation. This is still a difficult matter but:

To Date Almost 900 Abortion Clinics Have Lost Their Federal Funding Due To Trump’s Abortion Rules
https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2019/10/23/date-almost-900-abortion-clinics-lost-federal-funding-due-trumps-abortion-rules/

The voters helped this happen, when something bad happens, ditto though, we only have 2 choices. Others arguing not to vote are really just arguing for not doing anything and if the country goes to hell in a hand-basket because the extreme left gets in power?

And in the end, it's just one measly vote all of us have. Very limited by itself, yes, with others, the vote can do a lot.

[Applewood]

I don't consider any vote to be "wasted."  Ted Cruz once said, vote your conscience, and that is what every voter should do.  No one should be forced to vote for a candidate he or she doesn't like. 

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Someone altered my post.  I didn't post the second and third paragraphs above.

[Applewood]

Vote your conscience, huh?

Well, my conscience tells me first, believe my eyes—good economy and employment, overflow crowds at Trump rallies, growing support among blacks and Latinos, a foreign policy that favors America and values its warriors.

Second, believe my head—historically, viable third-party candidates never succeed.

Third, my conscience tells me to consider the consequences of stupidly splitting the vote—taking your eye off the ball—and allowing democrats to succeed and get away with treachery and deceit, and their unconscionable arrogance to think they could nullify the 2016 election.

My conscience is clear.

Good.  That is what you should do.  Vote for the best candidate, in your opinion.

What I object to are people telling me I have to vote for the Republican or the Democrat, that I have no other choice.  Or worse -- I have to vote for this candidate to "save us" from the other candidate.    Bull!

Right now, none of the candidates running for either party appeals to me.  And I don't see any third party candidates I would vote for either.  What am I going to do next year?  I don't know.  But whatever I do, I will make my own choice.  My vote will not be "wasted."    And my actions will be done with a clear conscience. 

[Chosen Daughter]

Me too. I just don't get what folks see... Whatever it is, it is an enchantment to which I am immune.
I am however heartened that a 3rd party might be at play...

Yes, I don't see it either.  And calling a country sand and death, no vast wealth is as cold as any dictator in history.

[Chosen Daughter]

I 've stated that before, but I still believe that a 3rd party could win if there was a mass exodus of conservatives like Cruz to the Constitution Party. However, the Constitution Party would have to get onboard with the idea as well as Cruz and others.  The second problem is that it would take someone with very deep pockets supporting this transition.

I think there would be defectors from both parties if a good Independent or Constitution Party candidate ran.  I obviously side with Conservative party, but I can bend slightly.  Will not accept Socialism though.

[Night Hides Not]

Good.  That is what you should do.  Vote for the best candidate, in your opinion.

What I object to are people telling me I have to vote for the Republican or the Democrat, that I have no other choice.  Or worse -- I have to vote for this candidate to "save us" from the other candidate.    Bull!

Right now, none of the candidates running for either party appeals to me.  And I don't see any third party candidates I would vote for either.  What am I going to do next year?  I don't know.  But whatever I do, I will make my own choice.  My vote will not be "wasted."    And my actions will be done with a clear conscience.

Hang in there, @Applewood . There’s still a year to go before we have to decide, an eternity when it comes to politics.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter I agree with some of what you stated, but what scandals has he truly been involved in other than those falsely manufactured by the leftists?  No Russian collusion and from what I can determine, Biden and the prior administration(s) were much more involved in the Ukraine which resulted in billions (with a B) of dollars missing. I don't see any quid pro quo honestly, especially if you look at it from the point of view that Trump obviously knows billions of dollars are missing and doesn't want to lose any more U.S. taxpayer dollars and that the Ukraine needs to investigate what happened.  It is also my understanding that the Ukraine was investigated under the Bammy administration, however, the Dept. of State (Clinton) laid out to the Ukraine's how they were to investigate ... so to me it looks like another witch hunt that is pointing fingers at the wrong party in order to divert attention from the real criminals. It is no secret that Biden's son was involved, but absolutely no focus remains on him.  None. Meanwhile, DEM investigations give them time to clean up and discard evidence.  Just sayin'.

Investigating corruption is not the problem.  The problem is a president that is a one man operation.  A guy that is still operating as a personal business using personal lawyers to do official business (Rudy).  That is my problem.  Its not perfect.  If you really like the Constitution Party I would wonder if you find government structure important?

Several people have testified.  I simply don't think that they lied that they had concerns.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/10/07/five-observations-on-president-trumps-handling-of-ukraine-policy/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/09/trumps-impeachment-unconstitutional-229838

And Trump suppressing people from testifying too.  If a person is "perfect" and did nothing wrong they would not stand in the way of people testifying.  You know it is because he cannot rely on people telling lies for him.

And...……..This circus has become exactly what Trump wanted it to be.  The clown show at his rallies.  The public laundering of an official investigation.  Obviously benefiting his campaign through his comedy show.  Something to laugh about and cheer.

Rudy interview with Daily Caller.  Why he took matters into his own hands.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/11/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-controversy-biden/

And here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-says-state-dept-asked-deal-ukraine-over-fbi-2019-9

The reason is because Trump doesn't trust the FBI to investigate so he has to have Rudy do it.  No problem.  We can no longer trust the FBI.  That's scary that Trump goes around the FBI now.  We have that entire law enforcement agency not allowed to do their job because Trump doesn't trust them, and apparently they are still being led by Hillary Clinton.

Who else is still working for Hillary and we can depend on Trump to undermine their office or agency?  The Pentagon? He doesn't listen to them either.   News today says he is holding Aid from Lebanon now and its going to help Iran, Russia and ISIS.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/270897

[jpsb]

Ted Cruz once said, vote your conscience, and that is what every voter should do. 

Yeah and that very nearly ended his political career. The Texas GOP revolted and took Cruz to the
woodshed. Look at how close Ted came to losing to that idiot Beto, so by all means take your cues
from Cruz. Cruz is in trouble if any popular R primaries him. I do think he learned his lesson and is
playing ball with the Texas GOP now.

[jpsb]

Oh, I absolutely agree with you.  His rallies are fabulous, and it is important that he maintains his base, but he needs to broaden his base in order to win and that equates to being able to attract independents and the undecideds.

Then the communist party (Democrats) nominate a bat s**t crazy like Warrin or a crook like Biden Trump
will have no problem attacking sane independents. Where will be very few undecideds.

[jafo2010]

I think Trump has a solid base of 40%.  That is a strong base in a three way race.

Abe Lincoln when he ran, there were four candidates, and ALL FOUR got Electoral College votes.  Lincoln won with I believe 34% of the vote.  He won largely because the Democrats were divided with two candidates.

It depends on WHO is the 3rd candidate as to who they draw votes away from.  If it is Mr. Starbuck, he will draw votes away from the Dems.  The moron Amash will not draw votes to any consequential degree.  He is an utter idiot.

I say Trump has a lock on this election, unless Clinton runs.  If she does, she easily gets the nomination, and depending on how she runs her campaign and how strong the economy is, will dictate what happens.  Any other Democrat, and Trump rolls over them like he is paving the road.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think Trump has a solid base of 40%.  That is a strong base in a three way race.

Abe Lincoln when he ran, there were four candidates, and ALL FOUR got Electoral College votes.  Lincoln won with I believe 34% of the vote.  He won largely because the Democrats were divided with two candidates.

It depends on WHO is the 3rd candidate as to who they draw votes away from.  If it is Mr. Starbuck, he will draw votes away from the Dems.  The moron Amash will not draw votes to any consequential degree.  He is an utter idiot.

I say Trump has a lock on this election, unless Clinton runs.  If she does, she easily gets the nomination, and depending on how she runs her campaign and how strong the economy is, will dictate what happens.  Any other Democrat, and Trump rolls over them like he is paving the road.

I guess all the depends on whether Hillz wants to go down as "Adlai Stevenson II."  Two losses to an ex-General, and gets thrown the bone of "UN Ambassador."

[Wingnut]

I guess all the depends on whether Hillz wants to go down as "Adlai Stevenson II."  Two losses to an ex-General, and gets thrown the bone of "UN Ambassador."

Man your phasing had me retching there for a second. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Man your phasing had me retching there for a second.

It's all in the timing, Bro!

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Investigating corruption is not the problem.  The problem is a president that is a one man operation.  A guy that is still operating as a personal business using personal lawyers to do official business (Rudy).  That is my problem.  Its not perfect.  If you really like the Constitution Party I would wonder if you find government structure important?

Several people have testified.  I simply don't think that they lied that they had concerns.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/10/07/five-observations-on-president-trumps-handling-of-ukraine-policy/
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/09/trumps-impeachment-unconstitutional-229838

And Trump suppressing people from testifying too.  If a person is "perfect" and did nothing wrong they would not stand in the way of people testifying.  You know it is because he cannot rely on people telling lies for him.

And...……..This circus has become exactly what Trump wanted it to be.  The clown show at his rallies.  The public laundering of an official investigation.  Obviously benefiting his campaign through his comedy show.  Something to laugh about and cheer.

Rudy interview with Daily Caller.  Why he took matters into his own hands.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/11/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-controversy-biden/

And here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-says-state-dept-asked-deal-ukraine-over-fbi-2019-9

The reason is because Trump doesn't trust the FBI to investigate so he has to have Rudy do it.  No problem.  We can no longer trust the FBI.  That's scary that Trump goes around the FBI now.  We have that entire law enforcement agency not allowed to do their job because Trump doesn't trust them, and apparently they are still being led by Hillary Clinton.

Who else is still working for Hillary and we can depend on Trump to undermine their office or agency?  The Pentagon? He doesn't listen to them either.   News today says he is holding Aid from Lebanon now and its going to help Iran, Russia and ISIS.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/270897

@Chosen Daughter Great post.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter Great post.

It really is what is frightening.  That all of this has created a perfect storm for Trump to declare FBI and anyone else who opposes him not able to do their jobs.  He uses the stuff in his rallies to excite the crowds.  I didn't believe it before he was elected that he really knew the "art of the deal", but he does.  He's an artist at manipulating the chaos he has created into a positive for him.  He has done it in his business life also.  I cringe to think of what will follow in another 4 years if he is elected.  My prediction is that he continues to undermine all elected officials.  He will mock them and make fun of them for his gain, and gain he will.  Because his base must protect him from all who oppose him.

[Absalom]

I don't think Donald is as popular as he thinks he is.  The country was divided almost equally in 2016.  Some people who supported him may not like him anymore.  Some that didn't vote for him probably will.  But there isn't anything certain.  The World Series incident showed that with the people he is unpopular with it isn't just a vote for the lesser of evils.  They just don't like him. 
Most people do not want the liberal socialism that is being pushed.  I would be a third party supporter if they got someone electable.  Time is running out.  Someone needs to step up or we will have to see how Trump does. 
I am farther away from Trump than I was in 2016.  He isn't truthful.  He's a buffoon who thinks he can do whatever he wants.  Probably not impeachable but what is the next scandal?  That is who Trump is.  He enjoys a good court battle.  If you don't believe me look at how many times he has been involved in lawsuits.

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Insightful and focused but sadly Trump's sycophants will simply tune out.
The Ancients understood that great leaders must possess integrity and
self-awareness, because these attributes create likability from their
followers which, in turn, strengthens their loyalty to the leader.
When Trump formulates his election strategy, suggest he refrain from
asking for votes because he's such a likeable fellow.

[Cyber Liberty]

I heard a second-hand rumor that sometimes Republicans win elections. I think Trump won one.  Just rumors.

[Wingnut]

I heard a second-hand rumor that sometimes Republicans win elections. I think Trump won one.  Just rumors.

No way.

[truth_seeker]

Concern for Pelosi and Newsome, over Trump's mockery of them is now a "conservative hub" type of position.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Poll: Forty percent considering third party vote in 2020

Come on ..... they can do better than this.  Why not seventy percent?? 

[240B]

I cringe to think of what will follow in another 4 years if he is elected.  My prediction is that he continues to undermine all elected officials.  He will mock them and make fun of them for his gain, and gain he will.  Because his base must protect him from all who oppose him.

My prediction is he will finally overhaul the DOJ and throw them in jail. Because they are corrupt to the core murdering criminals, who should be in jail. It is hard for me to believe that anyone, even you, would pine for the fascist Democrats to be back in power. That would be like wishing cancer on yourself and your whole family. Say goodbye to your retirement, bank account, and paycheck, which all the Dems are already salivating over like vultures in a tree. Say hello to Cuba, and Venezuela, which is what you and the Dems want America to become. Say hello to massive taxation and inflation.

Good Luck with that. I think you self deluded and crazy but your opinion is your own. So, Good Luck.

[montanajoe]

Both parties are broken beyond repair...

Makes me think the 60% doesn't pay attention, root for their team no matter what, or may not be sharpest blade in the mill...

A rather encouraging statistic in my opinion, as I've have/had serious doubts that 40% of the American electorate is capable of thinking for themselves...

[Chosen Daughter]

My prediction is he will finally overhaul the DOJ and throw them in jail. Because they are corrupt to the core murdering criminals, who should be in jail. It is hard for me to believe that anyone, even you, would pine for the fascist Democrats to be back in power. That would be like wishing cancer on yourself and your whole family. Say goodbye to your retirement, bank account, and paycheck, which all the Dems are already salivating over like vultures in a tree. Say hello to Cuba, and Venezuela, which is what you and the Dems want America to become. Say hello to massive taxation and inflation.

Good Luck with that. I think you self deluded and crazy but your opinion is your own. So, Good Luck.

I could see why you would say that Lord of all things Orange.  But I don't pine for fascists.  In fact Trump is on the verge of being the fascist.  He's the one man show the all things orange as you say.  Nothing worth praising about him.  He stirs up crap and complains about it.



You talk about liberal.  Jared and Ivanka are about as liberal as it gets.

[240B]

I could see why you would say that Lord of all things Orange.  But I don't pine for fascists.  In fact Trump is on the verge of being the fascist.  He's the one man show the all things orange as you say.  Nothing worth praising about him.  He stirs up crap and complains about it.

You talk about liberal.  Jared and Ivanka are about as liberal as it gets.

OK, that is what I would expect you to say. You or your family don't own any guns, do they?
BTW, Antifa called. They were wondering why you missed the meeting last week.
Here is a picture of your Antifa buddies, who of course are not fascist neonazis...

[Chosen Daughter]

OK, that is what I would expect you to say. You or your family don't own any guns, do they?
BTW, Antifa called. They were wondering why you missed the meeting last week.
Here is a picture of your Antifa buddies, who of course are not fascist neonazis...

Hmm, you are able to insinuate that I am a neo nazi, but I cant recognize that Trump uses the Hitler playbook.  I assure you that I am not a Antifa buddy or neo nazi.  That is exactly why I don't like Trump.  He is a mob rule kind of guy.  The Republican party no longer exists under Orang guy.  So go on now its getting late and you might miss your important Q news.