Fox News contributor: 'Most likely' outcome is Trump doesn't run in 2020

[XenaLee]

Touche.  What you say there has stayed my hand a few times.  But, that said, I really get tired of people who insult the Forum, as a whole.

I wouldn't take it personally.   Some folks hate everything and everybody, on any side and are never satisfied.  No forum would meet their "standards".   Negativity rules their world.   And how does one carry on with living that way?   You would have to find something positive to live for, else you'd pull a Robin Williams eventually.  (just my two cents)

[roamer_1]

You are NEVER going to win a horse race if you keep betting on horses that aren't running.

@sneakypete
Horse races are for chumps. Betting is always the same - The house always wins.

I'll take the Appaloosa on a mountain trail over the Thorobred anytime

Horse Hillary! Name ONE US President in the last 100 years that has advanced the cause of freedom and promoted America like Trump.

Pretty much any of them... I don't see much difference.

You are an adult,yet you seem to be so confused you think it is necessary to identify with or even like a candidate before you vote for them. This is the real world,not some imaginary construct where you are going to get everything you want in one package. Even Santa doesn't deliver like that to children.

Nope. Like with anything, my choices are based on merit.

Then again,maybe I am wrong. Who did you support and vote for,and why?

I will support any conservative, wrt their record according to the principles of Conservatism. That would be Goldwater, Reagan, or a suitable Libertarian.

That was Cruz this last time around, till he dropped off, and then it was Castle and the CP.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

@roamer_1

 Horse races are for chumps. Betting is always the same - The house always wins.

I'll take the Appaloosa on a mountain trail over the Thorobred anytime

Off topic and you know it. The election was a "Horse Race",and no actual horses were running. There were a few horses asses,though.

Pretty much any of them... I don't see much difference.

Then how can you lay a claim to the high moral ground over people who actually voted? At least WE were TRYING to make changes,and with Trump,it looks like it was a safe bet.

Nope. Like with anything, my choices are based on merit.

You didn't make a choice.

I will support any conservative, wrt their record according to the principles of Conservatism. That would be Goldwater, Reagan, or a suitable Libertarian.

Goldwater was many,many things,including the man that SHOULD have been president instead of LBJ,but he damn sure wasn't a Libertarian. Reagan was only kinda Libertarian.

That was Cruz this last time around, till he dropped off, and then it was Castle and the CP.

Yeah,in other words,you didn't support anyone that was running,and didn't vote.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

@roamer_1

Horse races are for chumps. Betting is always the same - The house always wins.

I'll take the Appaloosa on a mountain trail over the Thorobred anytime

The term "horse race" was in reference to the presidential election,but you know that and obviously don't want to answer.

Pretty much any of them... I don't see much difference.

Yup,sure enough. Biden,Hillary,Trump,all the same,huh? </S>

Nope. Like with anything, my choices are based on merit.

Horse Hillary! They are based on your personal preferences and prejudices,just like everyone else. Or would have been,if you had made an actual choice.

I will support any conservative, wrt their record according to the principles of Conservatism. That would be Goldwater, Reagan, or a suitable Libertarian.

Un,huh. In case you haven't noticed,both Goldwater and Reagan have been dead for years,and if there was a conservative-leaning Libertarian running I am not aware of who it was. Not that it matters,voting for a Libertarian is the same as not votes for all the effect it has on anything.

That was Cruz this last time around, till he dropped off,

ROFLMAO! The same weasel named Cruz that is running a stealth campaign for the R nomination in 2020 right now?  The same Cruz that talks a tough game,and runs away when it gets tough?
 

and then it was Castle and the CP.

What's wrong with Donner and Blitzen,and the other reindeer? Why not Rudolph? You have something against red noses?
 

[roamer_1]

Off topic and you know it. The election was a "Horse Race",and no actual horses were running. There were a few horses asses,though.

@sneakypete
I knew what you were about... And my reply works. I will take the working 'horse' over the race horse every time.

Then how can you lay a claim to the high moral ground over people who actually voted? At least WE were TRYING to make changes,and with Trump,it looks like it was a safe bet.

Like I said, not much difference. y'all ain't serious.

You didn't make a choice.

Sure I did... And the only one left for a Conservative. Voting for more big government ain't helping anything.

Goldwater was many,many things,including the man that SHOULD have been president instead of LBJ,but he damn sure wasn't a Libertarian. Reagan was only kinda Libertarian.

Goldwater Conservatism is what I mean : civil-libertarinism, fiscal conservatism, and defense/foreign policy conservatism.... Ron Paul, Rand Paul are pretty Goldwatery... Pence leans that way. I consider you to be a fairly Goldwater Conservative... Though all too willing to compromise.

Reagan Conservatism is the same, and came out of Goldwater, adding on the social conservatives. I am most definitely a Reagan Conservative... Rock ribbed and dyed in the wool.

Yeah,in other words,you didn't support anyone that was running,and didn't vote.

Fine. Next time I will just stay home and avoid the trouble. Screw you on the down-ticket.
You can whine and cry and throw dirt in the air all you want. I am not ever going to vote for a big government Republican again. EVER.

You want my vote, you'll have it. All you have to do is actually raise up a Conservative.

[txradioguy]

With Nikki Haley as the nominee,  the GOP can retain the Presidency and the Senate.   I have no idea who Mr. Hahn is,  but his prediction that President Trump may decide not to run for re-election is not as far-fetched as it seems.

No wonder you agree with Mr. Hahn.

Christopher Hahn is a political commentator, Democratic Party activist, and Fox News contributor who makes regular appearances on the Fox News Channel, Fox Business Channel, and national radio programs.

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Hahn served as an aide to United States Senator Charles E. Schumer during Schumer's first term in the Senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hahn



Birds of a feather and all...

[roamer_1]

The term "horse race" was in reference to the presidential election,but you know that and obviously don't want to answer.

@sneakypete
Sure I did. I answered you fine. I want a 'horse' that actually works. For Conservatism.

Yup,sure enough. Biden,Hillary,Trump,all the same,huh? </S>

Yep, pretty much. The bill ain't going down - It's going up. Doesn't matter which party you vote for.

Horse Hillary! They are based on your personal preferences and prejudices,just like everyone else. Or would have been,if you had made an actual choice.

Nope. Absolutely formulaic in my choice... As principled Conservatives are. Show me a man with a good character, with a record showing that he embraces all of the principles of Conservatism, and I will not only vote for him, but support him (I am capable of rounduing up a very consistent 6 figures for the general election), throw my back into it, and walk door to door, and the whole 9 yards. Like I did for Cruz to a fair degree - The first Republican presidential candidate that I have worked for since 07.

I will do that for a bonafide Conservative. Not a mere Republican.

Un,huh. In case you haven't noticed,both Goldwater and Reagan have been dead for years,and if there was a conservative-leaning Libertarian running I am not aware of who it was. Not that it matters,voting for a Libertarian is the same as not votes for all the effect it has on anything.

No, the vote that has no effect is the vote for yet another big government Republican. SOSDD.
 

[aligncare]

In reference to  throwing the bastards out...

The president of the United States, as opposed to  congressional members, is elected by all the people and his office is in the best position to shake up the system—not congress, not the press, not the U.N.

The only caveat to the above are the courts, who seem free to meddle in all areas of presidential duties.

[roamer_1]

In reference to  throwing the bastards out...

The president of the United States, as opposed to  congressional members, is elected by all the people and his office is in the best position to shake up the system—not congress, not the press, not the U.N.

The only caveat to the above are the courts, who seem free to meddle in all areas of presidential duties.

@aligncare
Simply not true. A  truly Conservative congress, with actual Conservatives at the helm, can do far, far more, and far more permanently. Legislation trumps all. And as to the courts, a congress, jealous of its powers (which a Conservative congress would be) would merely impeach a judge or two, or legislate past the judges to bring them back inside the Constitutional line.

A president can do little beyond his term. All his EOs vanish with the next administration. POOF! No eyebrows. And not long ago, those EOs were considered a cop out... a sure sign of a poorly run administration... And it is.

Oddly enough, the only thing a president can do beyond his mortal administration IS judges... though that seems to be a crapshoot at best.

No, if you want real and lasting change, burn the damn big tent down and vote in actual conservatives.
What y'all are doing is a waste of time. A feel good plastic banana waste of time.

[LegalAmerican]

@truth_seeker

He has ALREADY done more pro-American good things in only 2 years on the job than ANY Republican has ever done no matter how many years they served.

Correct. List of items.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM

[LegalAmerican]

The polls weren't wrong in 2016.  Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.  He won because of the fortunate circumstance of narrow victories in several states.  As for myself,  I was most pleased that the GOP retained control of both the House and Senate.   We were able to do some good things with that majority, including installing sound judges and putting the lie to Obama's lament that economic malaise was the new normal.     

Don't get me wrong - Trump's victory was totally legit.  He tapped successfully into a vein of populist discontent with elites that ignore the working man.  But don't make the mistake of discounting the multitude of polls that show Trump failing to gain majority support despite all the good things happening with the economy.    That historic disconnect ought to be a warning sign.   Except if you've got your head in the sand.

No. President TRUMP did not lose by popular vote.  That is another myth & lie by left media.  I had the exact number one time, but even that most make a difference to people who believe the LEFT LIE. Even with dems doing voter fraud and allowing ILLEGALS to vote. NON CITIZENS. Do you believe in allowing non-citizens, 'criminals', voting? Now, even if, if , he lost popular votes it does not matter in our REPUBLIC. The idea by the FOUNDING FATHERS was that no matter how big a state became , each state, California, Texas,  little Rhode Island would all have the same power Otherwise, California & Texas would run all of America!  Again, I don't understand why people want to bring up that LEFT TALKING POINT? 

JUDICIAL WATCH, already found how much fraud went on in California. They found, about 96,000 invalid votes. Just in one state.  Veritas, did research.  MORE VOTER FRAUD PROOF. So, you wanted Hillary as your president?  Based on her words, she is a communist. Those who have more, will have to give up some, for those who don't have as much. I para phrase.

Your post shows you are not, as informed as you think you are. So for you, you want some PROM KING, over a working business man?  President works 100 hour weeks, sleeps 4 hours a night and does it all for ZERO PAY. He gives it to charity, or our schools, veterans, etc. He takes a lot of verbal abuse & his family.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM.  The link below is great for learning, but I doubt you would watch it. It starts in 2016, then 2 more with MORE UNTRUTHS about Donald Trump. Are you game?


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[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

https://www.270towin.com/2016_Election/

[roamer_1]

No. President TRUMP did not lose by popular vote.  That is another myth & lie by left media. [...] Again, I don't understand why people want to bring up that LEFT TALKING POINT? 

Nonsense. It isn't a taking point. It is math. The win is legit, as it is according to the electoral college. But he most definitely lost the popular vote in an astoundingly underwhelming turnout.

[libertybele]

Nonsense. It isn't a taking point. It is math. The win is legit, as it is according to the electoral college. But he most definitely lost the popular vote in an astoundingly underwhelming turnout.

Exactly.  That is why the DEMS have been 'suggesting' that the electoral college be abolished.

Nominee    Donald Trump    Hillary Clinton    
Party    Republican    Democratic
Home state    New York    New York
Running mate    Mike Pence    Tim Kaine
Electoral vote    304[a]    227[a]
States carried    30 + ME-02    20 + DC
Popular vote    62,984,828    65,853,514
Percentage    46.09%    48.18%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

[LegalAmerican]

No,  ignoring the message of multiple polls by convincing yourself they are "media driven" is self-deluding foolishness.

First those polls are phony. Are you aware of censoring conservative sites and censoring conservatives on Facebook, twitter, & youtube. Those comments & people are banned. On youtube, the won't let people ,GIVE LIKES, on President Rally's or  talks. Now, we can't even make comments!  Why would you believe any poll?  There is ZERO TRUTH out there at this point.  This is the # 2 of UNTRUTH ABOUT Donald Trump. Are you game for learning Or just standing still? 
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[LegalAmerican]

Ignoring plain-as-day evidence is a lesson I should have learned from 2016?   

This board needs an emoji of an ostrich with its head in the sand.   

Here is the last video. Will you learn, or head in sand?  It is Stefan, dates, names.

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[libertybele]

First those polls are phony. Are you aware of censoring conservative sites and censoring conservatives on Facebook, twitter, & youtube. Those comments & people are banned. On youtube, the won't let people ,GIVE LIKES, on President Rally's or  talks. Now, we can't even make comments!  Why would you believe any poll?  There is ZERO TRUTH out there at this point.  This is the # 2 of UNTRUTH ABOUT Donald Trump. Are you game for learning Or just standing still? 
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Yes, I have heard that information as well, that websites such as "Google", "Facebook", etc., have the ability to influence election outcomes.  Glenn Beck has actually interviewed a gentlemen who has done verifiable research and is recording and documenting his data to prove how much they are manipulating information to control the elections.

As for polls, the last several elections have proven that polls are not reliable and are skewed by those conducting those polls to influence and manipulate.

[LegalAmerican]

So if your goal is to achieve a GOP President and Senate in 2020,  how do you address the reality of a "Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media"?   The backdrop of all this is a Democratic party actively embracing socialism.   THAT is the reality that must be addressed, confronted and defeated.   And my worry is all this is all flying under the radar with voters, because of the distraction created by Trump and the Trump-hating media.

Trump's legacy is at stake, and perhaps his personal liberty as well.   To me,  his interests are best served by ferociously battling impeachment so that he may serve out the term for which he was elected,  but persuade him to step down in the interest of focusing the election on the preservation of his policies and the defeat of the socialist tide.

We are trying to get people informed, is how. Now, no one can force you to LEARN.  Why would you want him to, step down?  That worked on NIXON. I have become a firm believer, the NIXON WAS INNOCENT & NOT A CROOK!  Based on what corrupt, democrats have done in the present, I believe they puled a coup on NIXON. He just didn't want to fight. Nixon SET-UP, LIED ABOUT and we know FBI,  CIA, PRIOR DOJ, is also corrupt. COMEY, CLAPPER, BRENNAN, LYNCH, HOLDER, all democrat congress.  (OBAMA IS A GIVEN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE)
P.S.  The proof Nixon was innocent?  HE WAS A REPUBLICAN! The LEFT, love to lie about "R's" .

WWW.MAGAPILL.COM

[LegalAmerican]

I agree, and in more normal times the Carville adage of "it's the economy, stupid" would prevail.   But the frenzied media isn't talking about the economy, or even the Administration's triumph in killing that animal al-Baghdadi.   It is Trump hatred, 24/7. 

I wish it weren't so.   I wish we could run on the economy,  immigration and disengagement from Mideast tribal conflicts.   But the media is drowning out those discussions and demanding the election be a referendum on Trump the alleged madman.   And in the meantime,  with the media running interference, the Dems are prepared to nominate a socialist and elect him or her as the voters are distracted.    It makes no sense that Trump's poll numbers should be as low as they are given his policy successes.   But we live in the world as it is, not as it we wish it to be.   

I am merely being realistic in the face of the onslaught.   We need to both defend the President and urge him that his bid for re-election will jeopardize all the good that he's done. 

Politics is a team game.   Trump has driven down the court, but is blocked at the basket.   He needs to pass the ball to a teammate who can make the winning shot.   

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And my favorite person Stefan.


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[Formerly Once-Ler]

P.S.  The proof Nixon was innocent?  HE WAS A REPUBLICAN! The LEFT, love to lie about "R's" .

Suitable for framing.   

[LegalAmerican]

Nonsense. It isn't a taking point. It is math. The win is legit, as it is according to the electoral college. But he most definitely lost the popular vote in an astoundingly underwhelming turnout.

Yes, it is math. He did not lose popular vote. I already explained it.  Yet, most call him a populist!  That says he is very popular, and he didn't win popular vote? Again, if it doesn't matter & and it doesn't, in our republic, why do some of you bring that irrelevant point UP? Many times, from what I read on various sites. Btw, not all republican votes, WERE COUNTED.  I VOTED REPUBLICAN, and my group informed me, they did not receive my vote. Where did it go? (Just like in Florida & BRENDA SNIPES, would remove republican votes.) "Underwhelming turnout"?   HE WON.  lol Over 16 other republicans, mostly RINO'S. 

 I see my words "the left' were taken out, as offensive. What do I call the OPPOSITION?  I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IS DEMOCRAT, LIBERTARIAN, INDEPENDENT.  I do KNOW, who is a 'left". (Those who are not voting for president TRUMP)  Even NEWS, Judicial Watch, Mark Levin, use the term  "left'.  On here it is insulting?  I think I used it in a general way, to those who are anti-TRUMP. Trump voters,  would be 'rights'.   Mods?  Help me out.  President TRUMP is a centrist.

[LegalAmerican]

Yes, I have heard that information as well, that websites such as "Google", "Facebook", etc., have the ability to influence election outcomes.  Glenn Beck has actually interviewed a gentlemen who has done verifiable research and is recording and documenting his data to prove how much they are manipulating information to control the elections.

As for polls, the last several elections have proven that polls are not reliable and are skewed by those conducting those polls to influence and manipulate.

 

[roamer_1]

Yes, it is math. He did not lose popular vote. I already explained it. 

YES IN FACT, he did. The official and final vote tally can be found anywhere. it is *OFFICIAL* , which means that ALL parties, including Tumpy the Wonder Clown, SIGNED OFF ON IT.

So your breathless declarations otherwise are just sour grapes and conspiracy bullcrap.

Yet, most call him a populist!  That says he is very popular, and he didn't win popular vote?

You don't know what populist means in a political context. No, it does not mean he won the popular vote. A populist claims to represent the common man. That is what a populist is. Note that he claims to - not that he does, which is normally the case.

"Underwhelming turnout"?   HE WON.  lol Over 16 other republicans, mostly RINO'S. 

Yes he did win, but turnout was way, way down in comparison to past presidential elections. And no, he did not win against 16 Republicans.  He won against a bitter old feminist hag.

I do KNOW, who is a 'left". (Those who are not voting for president TRUMP) 

Blithering pap. I am as far right as they come. Right down the line. So are many others here. I am opposed to Tumpy because he is a liberal, and of a foul character. There is not a single Conservative principle espoused by this administration.

Even NEWS, Judicial Watch, Mark Levin, use the term  "left'.  On here it is insulting?  I think I used it in a general way, to those who are anti-TRUMP. Trump voters,  would be 'rights'.   Mods?  Help me out.  President TRUMP is a centrist.

Tump is a liberal, by the numbers.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Tump is a liberal, by the numbers.

1. Pathological liar
2. Spends like a drunken sailor
3. Raises taxes on the American people
4. Cuts and runs in the face of foreign threats
5. Uses his power to line his pockets
6. Helped elect a Democrat majority in the House
7. Is in love with communist dictators
8. Appoints crooks
9. Hates American institutions like CIA and FBI
10 Vilifies war heroes
11. Probably on drugs

[Right_in_Virginia]

Blithering pap. I am as far right as they come. Right down the line. So are many others here. I am opposed to Tumpy because he is a liberal, and of a foul character. There is not a single Conservative principle espoused by this administration.   

For cripes sake, give it a rest already.   You are opposed to Donald Trump because you have no frame of reference to understand the man --- I'm pretty sure you haven't run into him while digging for water in the mud or throwing your home-cured meat on a snow bank to freeze, or while dancing with your horse. And you hate what you cannot understand.  Got it.

But this hate just blinds you to the fact that in principle and action Donald Trump is the most politically conservative president in more than three decades; and it blinds you to how absurd your posts about him being a liberal truly are.  They're also tiresome and worn and are beginning to lower the average IQ of the forum.

Please, I'm begging you .... snap out it!