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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2019, 09:15:00 pm »
Because the USA is involved.

Because it stops having to post 6 stories that could go in one thread.  I counted about 4,5 or 6 threads posted since the other closed.   And btw, the other thread had over 12,000 views. Quite a few views.

Much news is happening, should things die down soon, we will close this thread.

I do think among members here, we should keep politicizing this issue down.  It certainly has a political aspect to it.
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I'm happy ISIS has been heavily defeated and only with the help of the SDF.  It is despicable to abandon them and if anyone says "I beat ISIS" and turns their back on the SDF, that is a shameful thing to say.

Oy vavoy!   :facepalm2:

Tom, we never said we were going to help the Kurds beat Turkey and Syria and form their own nation state.  NEVER.  We said "let's defeat ISIS".  We did.  We left.  The Kurds made their peace with Syria and are safer now than when we were there.  I don't know why you keep forgetting this.

And without apology, Tom, anyone who throws rocks and garbage at a US soldier has earned a special place in our rearview mirror; including "the Kurds".



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So you support cut and running??

Of course not @kevindavis   I support defining a mission, accomplishing it and then leaving.

Our mission in Syria had nothing to do with "the Kurds".  We had dovetailed interests and it worked well for both us and them.  We weren't there to fight Turkey and Syria alongside "the Kurds" so they could establish a nation state.  How can you not know this?



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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2019, 09:29:08 pm »
If it is so personal, for the time-being, I will make it a non-sticky thread as I have thought of that and it might even work better. It will still receive worthy news stories, it will not be a place for bar-fights. We will see how that goes.

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2019, 09:36:47 pm »
If it is so personal, for the time-being, I will make it a non-sticky thread as I have thought of that and it might even work better. It will still receive worthy news stories, it will not be a place for bar-fights. We will see how that goes.

No bar fights?   Well hell, I'm leaving then.   Harrumph!
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Oy vavoy!   :facepalm2:

Tom, we never said we were going to help the Kurds beat Turkey and Syria and form their own nation state.  NEVER.  We said "let's defeat ISIS".  We did.  We left.  The Kurds made their peace with Syria and are safer now than when we were there.  I don't know why you keep forgetting this.

And without apology, Tom, anyone who throws rocks and garbage at a US soldier has earned a special place in our rearview mirror; including "the Kurds".

Thanks for your post, there are many commenting on this.

Perhaps, I'll go with the word of former Green Beret and Republican Representative Mike Walz of Florida or former Navy Seal, I believe, Dan Crenshaw but thank you for expressing your opinion.
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'ISIS 2.0': GOP CONGRESSMAN, FORMER GREEN BERET, BLASTS TRUMP'S US TROOP WITHDRAWAL FROM SYRIA


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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2019, 09:47:22 pm »
As for the rock throwing, Senator Rubio says it well:
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I understand the anger of Kurds who face threats & attacks from Turkish forces.

But U.S. troops don’t deserve insults,they deserve gratitude & praise.

They didn’t make the decision to leave,they were ordered to.

And they risked their lives far away from their homes & families.



https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1186310978595704839

Rubio is absolutely correct.

Note too, how I will watch the protests in Hong Kong and there are confrontations with the Police. The police are just following orders, the police per the way I see it do not deserve abuse.

So, we all agree with Senator Rubio.  Good.

The soldiers do not deserve it. Let's remember, many, many soldiers disagree with this action of withdrawing. There has been plenty on this already, check the editorial board.  I can't do all the homework.
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kevindavis taunts:
"So you support cut and running??"

I do. I'll say it right plainly.
Excepting Israel, we should get out of there and let as many muslims as possible kill as many OTHER muslims as possible.

The higher the death count, the better.
I will not apologize for saying that.

The only ones there I have any feelings for are the Christians trapped there -- who are obviously "marked for extinction" by islam.

But the muslims -- the fewer of them on this earth, the better and safer it will be for the rest of us.

Get out of there.
But if they threaten us again, nuke 'em flat.

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kevindavis taunts:
"So you support cut and running??"

I do. I'll say it right plainly.
Excepting Israel, we should get out of there and let as many muslims as possible kill as many OTHER muslims as possible.

The higher the death count, the better.
I will not apologize for saying that.

The only ones there I have any feelings for are the Christians trapped there -- who are obviously "marked for extinction" by islam.

But the muslims -- the fewer of them on this earth, the better and safer it will be for the rest of us.

Get out of there.
But if they threaten us again, nuke 'em flat.

I know we don't agree on some things here, but I will just say ......   There's a reason we have been fighting these bastards 800 years. 
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So you support cut and running??

@kevindavis sadly there more than a few here that are cheering our retreat.  Sad...
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I'm sure this is possible, could be 'fake news'.
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What "could be fake news" ?????
The level of self-inflicted delusion about the Armenian Genocide is beyond astounding!!!!
As historians have clearly documented, neurotic and paranoid behavior was the norm at
the highest levels of Ottoman Leadership as The Great War commenced.
In early 1915, the Three Pashas; Cemal, Enver, and Talat, ordered the forced removal
of their Armenian Christian Minority aggregating 1.5 million men, women and children;
who, by the way, were legitimate and long standing citizens of the Ottoman Empire.
Their instrument in carrying out this atrocity, were the Kurds  who rounded up the
Armenians and herded them, on foot, into the deserts of northern Anatolia where
they were starved to death.
To their credit, over the ensuing decades, Kurdish Leaders, while denying responsibility
for ordering, have acknowledged responsibility for this disgracefully criminal behavior.
Turkey, predictably, has remained in denial for the past century!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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@kevindavis sadly there more than a few here that are cheering our retreat.  Sad...


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Some American troops may stay in Syria to guard oil fields, Esper says
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2019, 12:57:40 am »
Military Times by  Lolita C. Baldor 10/21/2019

The U.S. may leave some forces in Syria to secure oil fields and make sure they don’t fall into the hands of a resurgent Islamic State, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Monday, even though President Donald Trump has insisted he is pulling troops out of the country and getting out of “endless wars.”

The Pentagon chief said the plan was still in the discussion phase and had not yet been presented to Trump, who has repeatedly said the Islamic State has been defeated.

Esper emphasized that the proposal to leave a small number of troops in eastern Syria was intended to give the president “maneuver room” and wasn’t final.

More: https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/10/21/some-american-troops-may-stay-in-syria-to-guard-oil-fields-esper-says/

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2019, 05:25:03 pm »
Until the forum gets up-and-running more,  I'll scarcely post updates on Syria, however, I think it is important and notable that General Mazloum of the SDF may be coming to Washington DC soon.


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October 23, 2019 / 4:52 PM / Updated 19 hours ago
U.S. senators want quick visa for Kurdish general, amid Syria crisis

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican and Democratic U.S. senators asked the State Department on Wednesday to quickly provide a visa so that the commander of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces could visit the United states to discuss the situation in the country.

Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and Marsha Blackburn and Democrats Chris Van Hollen, Jeanne Shaheen and Richard Blumenthal wrote to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo asking him to expedite a visa for the commander, General Mazloum Kobani.

“To say we are extremely concerned with the situation unfolding in northern Syria is an understatement,” they said in their letter, saying it would benefit both Congress and President Donald Trump’s administration to hear from Kobani.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-general-idUSKBN1X22PL

I hope to heck, this can be salvaged.

Also see related thread:   http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,380066.msg2079785.html#msg2079785

A number of Americans and other foreign nationals, went to aid the Kurds as volunteers.

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Re: Some American troops may stay in Syria to guard oil fields, Esper says
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2019, 05:34:10 pm »
Ok,sumbodie pleze splain to me why WE are risking the futures and lives of our young men and woman to protect an oil field owned by Muslims?

WE don't need their oil,but THEY need the money that comes from the sale of oil to finance Jihad.
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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2019, 06:02:26 pm »

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MORE: #SDF Commander @MazloumAbdi alleges #Turkey-backed forces advancing on the eastern front of #RasalAin #Syriahttps://twitter.com/mazloumabdi/status/1187320406920892416?s=21 …


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Turkish army have been attacking villages of Assadiya, Mishrafa and Manajer with a large number of mercenaries and all kinds of heavy weapons despite the truce. SDF will exercise its right to legitimate self defense and we are not responsible for the violation of the agreement.

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ISIS detainees are attempting to break the prison because they know they will soon be the winning force in #Syria if #SDF get weakened. ISIS members & families had almost surrendered, got disappointed, however, Turkish attacks revived their hopes to rebuild their caliphate.

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2019, 09:34:24 pm »
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Sen. Cruz Issues Statement on President Trump’s Announcement of Halt of the Turkish Offensive in Northeast Syria
October 23, 2019

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"I think it is worth pausing to recognize that the defeat of ISIS, taking away their so-called caliphate is an extraordinary national security victory for the United States and something for which the Trump administration and the brave men and women in our armed services deserve enormous credit for winning that victory. I also agree with the president's ultimate objective of bringing our soldiers home. I think the American people have a limited time and patience for our sons and daughters being in harm's way."

He continued, noting the need for an effective counterterrorism strategy to ensure ISIS does not return and praising the Kurds for standing with the United States against our enemies:

"That being said, I think the way this decision was executed was precipitous and risked very serious negative consequences. The two that are most problematic in terms of how this decision was executed is number one; I am concerned there is a substantial possibility of ISIS returning. There are right now some 15,000 ISIS fighters who remain in Iraq and Syria. And pulling out without an effective counterterrorism strategy, presence, and platform to combat those fighters, risks those fighters ultimately attacking United States citizens and endangering our national security.

Emboldened parts are their's, full statement at: https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4725&fbclid=IwAR1IjkLl9QWwH5vmBvsvnhyV5uPGdz7EGxmoKTcyCrP2ebzyD6Ay1nnr8dg

Ambassador Jim Jeffreys:
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U.S. Department of State
Testimony
Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Assessing the Impact of Turkey’s Offensive in Northeast Syria
October 22, 2019

More reading, Assad accused of mass torture.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/syria-assad-regime-torture-crucifixion-rape-eye-gouging
This is probably accurate per most sources.







 
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Re: Some American troops may stay in Syria to guard oil fields, Esper says
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2019, 11:35:50 pm »
Ok,sumbodie pleze splain to me why WE are risking the futures and lives of our young men and woman to protect an oil field owned by Muslims?

WE don't need their oil,but THEY need the money that comes from the sale of oil to finance Jihad.

@sneakypete

Through reading a lot of material this week, one source says the strategy is to keep it from ISIS... but that's just one person's opinion, I don't think it is anything official and if ISIS took some oil field, you know? So what? Way over in Syria.

Now, I'm seeing this as well, Fox News. I'm skeptical but it sounds like the officials told this to newsweek, (1st source) but then, also told this to Fox News later on as the article states.

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Pentagon 'likely' deploying tanks to Syria, officials say
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The Pentagon is "likely" to order tanks and hundreds of soldiers to eastern Syria, U.S. officials tell Fox News.

This would mark the first deployment of tanks to Syria. The tanks would come from a unit already deployed to the Middle East, the officials said.

It’s expected to happen in the same area near Deir ez-Zur, Syria, where U.S. gunships and jets were called in last year to destroy hundreds of Russian mercenaries and forces allied with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after he threatened U.S. troops in the area.

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/world/pentagon-tanks-syria-ceasefire?fbclid=IwAR0hcyL2fHj-NF9H60KTV4QaL197XGMfe0akFzzqxI1DqQBuza_QfrJzJs0

Doesn't this sound a bit like a foul up, pull troops from that border area and now, maybe even sending in tanks... which is in the "general' area our soldiers were.

As I've stated before a number of times, Syria is about the same size, square miles wise, as Florida.

Another update I read about, we could be using an old Soviet Airbase in the country of Georgia over there. Georgia even actually has some "Kurd-land" from some maps I've seen, Georgia being largely a Christian and European nation. Look it up for oneself.
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Re: Some American troops may stay in Syria to guard oil fields, Esper says
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2019, 11:44:45 pm »
Title:
"Some American troops may stay in Syria to guard oil fields, Esper says"

Hmmmmm ... a few days ago Mr. Trump was razzed for saying something (can't remember exact wording) about our troops having "control of the oil".

Looks like one more thing they got wrong about him.

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2019, 01:38:46 am »
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Syrian regime says Turkish-led forces attacked its troops

Turkish forces and their allies attacked Syrian regime troops in northeastern Syria on Thursday, killing some of them, and they also clashed with Kurdish-led fighters, the state news agency in Damascus and a war monitoring group said.

The fighting underscored the risks of violence as multiple and often opposing armed forces jostle for new positions in the tight quarters of the northeastern border zone.

Most worrisome has been the prospect of a collision between forces of the Syrian regime and those backed by Turkey, which include Syrian rebel fighters and Islamic extremists opposed to President Bashar Assad.

Read more at: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/10/24/syrian-regime-says-turkish-led-forces-attacked-its-troops

This story from a very independent source in Syria may go with the above:

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Deaths of the Assad regime in the countryside of Hasaka and the National Army seizes sites for YPG militia
  24 Oct, 2019

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The Russian news agency "Sputnik" reported that a number of troops of the Assad regime were killed and others were injured after being attacked by the Syrian and Turkish National armies in the vicinity of the town of "Alkozliyah" in the vicinity of "Tal Tamr" in the northern countryside of Hasaka.

Read more at: https://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/16544

Yes, I think they are the same story, so what will Russia eventually do in this matter?

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YPG militia kill and mutilate the body of a young man in eastern Aleppo
  24 Oct, 2019
https://nedaa-sy.com/en/news/16543


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The Syrian Network for Human Rights recently issued a report highlighting abuses by protection militia against civilians in northeastern Syria.It noted that between July 2012 and September 2019, the militia arrested at least 2907 people, including 631 children and 172 women are still being arbitrarily detained, and 1,877 of them, including 52 children and 78 women, have been forcibly disappeared.

Not a good headline for those of us for the Kurds but all in all,  "Syria Call" as a news source, is at least worth reading.

Yes, and some of the "dirt" on the YPG does seem to pan out with 3rd party observers, they probably are still, the least "bad" of everyone.
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Russian forces deploy at Syrian border under new accord with Turkey
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2019, 02:48:25 am »
Military Times by  Suzan Fraser and Lefteris Pitarakis 10/23/2019

AKCAKALE, Turkey — Russian military police began patrols on part of the Syrian border Wednesday, quickly moving to implement an accord with Turkey that divvies up control of northeastern Syria. The Kremlin told Kurdish fighters to pull back from the entire frontier or else face being “steamrolled” by Turkish forces.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan echoed those warnings, saying his military would resume its offensive against Kurdish fighters if the new arrangements are not carried out.

Erdogan and Russian President Vladimir Putin reached an agreement Tuesday that would transform the map of northeast Syria, installing their forces along the border and filling the void left by the abrupt withdrawal of American troops. The Kurdish fighters, who once relied on the U.S. forces as protection from Turkey, were given a deadline of next Tuesday evening to pull back from border areas they have not already left.

More: https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2019/10/23/russian-forces-deploy-at-syrian-border-under-new-accord-with-turkey/

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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2019, 10:23:06 am »
Turkey wants General Mazloum arrested should he come to the United States, even Interpol has a "Red Notice" on NBA star Ennis Kanter.

TRT, Turkish State Media:
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US President Trump mentioned top SDF/YPG “general” Mazloum Kobani as a potential negotiator with Turkey in his letter to President Erdogan. He is Turkey’s most wanted terrorist, and was placed on the Interior Ministry’s red notice list.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/g00/en-ae/news/other/who-e2-80-99s-the-so-called-e2-80-98general-e2-80-99-that-trump-mentioned-in-his-letter-to-erdogan/ar-AAIZmND?i10c.ua=2&i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.dv=15

Ennis Kanter, Feb. 2019:

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 Enes Kanter remains in USA on "Red Notice"... but what does that mean?

By Lindsey Wisniewski February 28, 2019 11:29 AM

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The newest member of the Portland Trail Blazers center announced Wednesday he would not travel with his team to Toronto for Friday’s game against the Raptors because he fears that he’ll be arrested if he leaves the country.

Why?


According to Kanter, the Turkish government reportedly requested an INTERPOL "Red Notice" for the NBA star in January for his alleged ties to exiled U.S. based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gülen, who Kanter has openly supported. (More on that in a moment.)

Read more at: https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/enes-kanter-remains-usa-red-notice-what-does-mean

This is no fun:

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Turkish FM Cavusoglu says it is unacceptable that Turkey’s allies will meet YPG/SDF head Mazloum Abdi, “there is an Interpol red notice for him”
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NEW —  Turkey has officially requested Syrian Kurdish YPG/SDF head Mazloum Abdi’s arrest from the Trump administration.

“We asked his arrest upon his entrance to the US soil for an extradition”
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So what’s this guy’s name?

He is the head of Syrian Kurdish YPG/SDF but he has multiple names.

• Family given name: Mustafa Abdi bin Halil
• First nom de guerre: Şahin Cilo
• Second: Ferhat Abdi Şahin
• Third: Mazloum Kobane
• Current name: Mazloum Abdi


https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu

How to overcome?

Anyway, this is still the thread on updates-to-the-Syrian conflict thread.  I think this could work as well as a sticky thread, all related stories to be merged here within a reasonable time limit.


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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2019, 10:26:19 am »
Separated at birth?:

Duterte:



Mazloum:


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Trump's Turkey problem
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2019, 10:30:27 am »
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Trump's Turkey problem
by Jonathan Schanzer and Aykan Erdemir   | October 24, 2019



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During the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s hearing on Tuesday, Sen. Tom Udall of New Mexico reminded his colleagues that “Erdoğan has threatened the president’s financial interests in Istanbul before” and asked U.S. Special Representative for Syria Engagement Jim Jeffrey, “Does it concern you that the president of the United States has an active business interest in Turkey at the same time that our nation, including you, are engaged in very high-stakes, tense diplomatic engagement, and the president of Turkey has already threatened that business interest at least once that we know of?”

Trump’s Turkey exposure was so conspicuous that even his ardent supporters raised the issue before the 2016 elections. In a radio interview in December 2015, Steve Bannon asked Trump how he would respond to his critics “when they say, ‘Hey, look, this guy’s got vested business ventures all over the world. How do I know he’s going to stand up to Turkey?’” Trump did not shy away from admitting his Turkey exposure: “I have a little conflict of interest because I have a major, major building in Istanbul, and it’s a tremendously successful job.”

Whether Trump’s investments are a factor in his crafting of Turkey policy is something we may never know. But what is clear is that in a number of unpleasant episodes, the Turks lurk.

Read more at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trumps-turkey-problem
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Re: Syrian Conflict News Updates
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2019, 10:32:57 am »
Will make this a thread for the top for now; it seems it could lend some confusion to others.  If there is a disagreement, this can be reversed. Feel free to post related threads in forum but know, that after awhile, they will be merged.

To Send Tanks to Syria and a possible planned visit by General Mazloum?? All of these developments and it should not have a different thread?

I just ask that we all keep political bickering somewhat at a low pace.

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And ... now we may be sending MORE American troops to Syria to guard an oil field in the middle of the desert.

https://twitter.com/brett_mcgurk

Keep up with Brett McGurk per above, he apparently helped piece the original SDF together, this is not a smooth road.
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