Lindsey Graham threatens to become 'Trump's worst nightmare'

[Right_in_Virginia]

For one he is a liar.  Two he is crass.  Three he is so full of himself it is dangerous.  Like saying he has unmatched wisdom and thinking he can make all the decisions himself.   There are so many that I can't list them all, and its getting longer by the day.  You would think that I would be a Trump supporter being that he ran on securing the border.  But some things are bigger.  What is bigger is being mature and acting like it.  Not hanging allies out to be killed is another.  But it isn't hate.  Its a sense of disbelief.  And anyone can see how he has done it.

Well, if this post isn't hate, then I'll call it irrational.  POTUS is not a liar, in fact @Chosen Daughter he takes the largest slings and arrows when he moves to do what he promised on the campaign trail he would do.  The wall and ending senseless wars come to mind as two issues that have left the President black and blue.  But he's punched and ridiculed for everything from celebrating Independence Day to standing up for the American worker at home and abroad.   

You think he's crass.  Okay.  But he is accomplishing more of a conservative agenda than any president, including Reagan.  And this President is doing it against headwinds from all directions that would have felled a lesser man.  If you ever ask for my advice number one on the list would be:  Stay on guard not to value style over substance.

Neither Democrats or Republicans doing anything for the working people.  It really is quite similar to how Hitler did it.  The people needed someone to care about them.

 
This is a little confusing, Chosen.  Are you saying the President is like Hitler because he cares about the American people or are you saying the President is like Hitler because he does not?

And if Trump can get the masses to reject the news sources he has it made.

Are you wanting the "masses" to embrace coordinated lies from the American media?  Is this what you're saying here?

So government has to continue to cover for his stupidity.  And we can sit on the edge wondering what will he do next?  Who will he fire, what new investigation or scandal?  Who will be his lawyer and who won't.   And are his children and his private lawyers performing foreign policy that should be taken care of by Secretary of State or Attorney General?  What is Ivanka and Jared up to?

This reads like the ravings of an uninformed adolescent who thinks she knows more than everyone else, but knows nothing.   

Maybe calming down and controlling the impulses of our lesser angels -- the confusion, the envy, the submission to the fear the media wants us to feel ---  would make room for more objective thought.   

Or not.  Maybe you just enjoy hating the man and his family.   I could help you think things through, but there isn't a thing I can do about the hate. 

Thanks for your reply.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well, if this post isn't hate, then I'll call it irrational.  POTUS is not a liar, in fact @Chosen Daughter he takes the largest slings and arrows when he moves to do what he promised on the campaign trail he would do.  The wall and ending senseless wars come to mind as two issues that have left the President black and blue.  But he's punched and ridiculed for everything from celebrating Independence Day to standing up for the American worker at home and abroad.   

You think he's crass.  Okay.  But he is accomplishing more of a conservative agenda than any president, including Reagan.  And this President is doing it against headwinds from all directions that would have felled a lesser man.  If you ever ask for my advice number one on the list would be:  Stay on guard not to value style over substance.
 
This is a little confusing, Chosen.  Are you saying the President is like Hitler because he cares about the American people or are you saying the President is like Hitler because he does not?

Are you wanting the "masses" to embrace coordinated lies from the American media?  Is this what you're saying here?

This reads like the ravings of an uninformed adolescent who thinks she knows more than everyone else, but knows nothing.   

Maybe calming down and controlling the impulses of our lesser angels -- the confusion, the envy, the submission to the fear the media wants us to feel ---  would make room for more objective thought.   

Or not.  Maybe you just enjoy hating the man and his family.   I could help you think things through, but there isn't a thing I can do about the hate. 

Thanks for your reply.

Thanks for yours too.

[sneakypete]

Uh....no.   It's anything but 'self explanatory'....

which is why I asked.

@XenaLee

You realize you are trying to have a conversation with a crazy woman,right?

[Chosen Daughter]

@XenaLee

You realize you are trying to have a conversation with a crazy woman,right?

I don't think so, but there are worse things.  I think that never being able to say Trump is wrong borders on cult type loyalty.

[roamer_1]

Thanks for yours too.

FWIW, I see what you are saying exactly, and agree with every bit of it.
 

[Jazzhead]

What has he lied about?  Be specific.

What's more crass than the lying leftist commie azhole Democrats?

Full of himself, yep.  Dangerous... how, exactly?

Being mature and acting like it... like.... the over-emotional, viscerally hating CommieCrats, you mean?   

Seems to me everything you have just accused Trump of ... you can justifiably and truthfully accuse the Democrats of.... and then some.

It is no defense of the President to claim the Dems act worse.   This has all devolved into theatrical spectacle at this point,  except the circus is taking place while the world grows more unstable and dangerous.    Trump needs to counter the Dems' impulsive, childish behavior with the contrast of sober, adult behavior.   Instead, he just slings the monkey poo right back at 'em. 

I've posted elsewhere Peggy Noonan's new WJS column,  which posits that the Senate dam may break soon.   I recommend that folks give it a read:    LINK here .       

[XenaLee]

It is no defense of the President to claim the Dems act worse.   This has all devolved into theatrical spectacle at this point,  except the circus is taking place while the world grows more unstable and dangerous.    Trump needs to counter the Dems' impulsive, childish behavior with the contrast of sober, adult behavior.   Instead, he just slings the monkey poo right back at 'em. 

I've posted elsewhere Peggy Noonan's new WJS column,  which posits that the Senate dam may break soon.   I recommend that folks give it a read:    LINK here .     

For two reasons.   One, the leftist media wouldn't report it if he acted like an adult ... vs. like the idiot left.   Two, he loves and maybe even craves the attention the poo-flinging brings.

Think.... DC version of Jerry Springer show on steroids.  That's show biz!

[Chosen Daughter]

FWIW, I see what you are saying exactly, and agree with every bit of it.
 

I know Trump hasn't ethnic cleansed anyone.  Not here.  But the things he said about Syria and the Kurds recently should raise some eyebrows.  Like the Kurds are worse than ISIS.  Or that all Syria is sand and death he said we are talking about sand and death as if the people of Syria were nothing.  Even if it was that Trump is uneducated about Syria and its people that would bring to question why he was making decisions that could cause ethnic cleansing of everyone other than the Muslims in Syria.  And that is exactly what Erdogan wants for Turkey, Syria, Europe and the world. He even has his hands in the U.S.

Trump has been alienating people from all news that doesn't pump out the Trump talking points.  Right now he is shaming FOX news.  Neal Cavuto recently went on to say they don't work for him.  It isn't a National news source.  But he basically will do his best to destroy anyone and anything including the media that gets in his path.  I do worry about what he could become if he wins again.

Do I want any of the Democrats?  Absolutely not.  Democratic policies already affect my family.  Socialism targets working class people.  It hurts our budget bigly.  Do I feel like I should vote for Trump?  No.  He's a loose cannon.  A government of one.  He does what he wants and worries about the outcome later.

BTW news reports yesterday that Trumps friends Erdogan wants nukes.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It is no defense of the President to claim the Dems act worse.

Well, it may not be a good defense of him in isolation, but it is a very good defense if the likely alternative to Trump in power is giving power to the Democrats.

This has all devolved into theatrical spectacle at this point,  except the circus is taking place while the world grows more unstable and dangerous.    Trump needs to counter the Dems' impulsive, childish behavior with the contrast of sober, adult behavior.   Instead, he just slings the monkey poo right back at 'em.

It's who he is, and he's not going to change. 

I've posted elsewhere Peggy Noonan's new WJS column,  which posits that the Senate dam may break soon.   I recommend that folks give it a read:    LINK here .     

1)  Not trying to be trite, but....So?  I get the feeling that there is a certain set of Republicans who are living in some fantasy reality where they can get Trump to just disappear, regain control of their party, and then run a more "respectable" candidate in 2020 to beat the Democrats.

Not going to happen in a million years.  If Republican Senators forced Trump out either via conviction or political pressure, the party would be irrevocably fractured for the foreseeable future.  You'd alienate permanently far more Trump supporters than you'd gain in NT moderates.  I think inside the Beltway elites like Noonan haven't fully grasped the anger that would cause among tens of millions of voters.

2)  I suspect McConnell is going to use any impeachment trial as a gift-wrapped opportunity to showcase everything horrible Democrats, including Biden, have done with respect to colluding with foreign governments/profitting from political connections.  It's the best explanation for why he thinks it would take so long.  And it really could be a gift -- the entire national spotlight on the Senate, and he finally gets to unload all the stuff that had previously been mostly limited to conservative outlets.

[Cyber Liberty]

1)  Not trying to be trite, but....So?  I get the feeling that there is a certain set of Republicans who are living in some fantasy reality where they can get Trump to just disappear, regain control of their party, and then run a more "respectable" candidate in 2020 to beat the Democrats.

I guess you've been reading @Jazzhead's posts more closely than I thought...lol!  He's been thumping the tub for somebody/anybody to beat Trump in the Primaries for some time now.

[truth_seeker]

I get the feeling that there is a certain set of Republicans who are living in some fantasy reality where they can get Trump to just disappear, regain control of their party, and then run a more "respectable" candidate in 2020 to beat the Democrats.
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Not going to happen in a million years.  If Republican Senators forced Trump out either via conviction or political pressure, the party would be irrevocably fractured for the foreseeable future.  You'd alienate permanently far more Trump supporters than you'd gain in NT moderates.


-----------I think inside the Beltway elites like Noonan haven't fully grasped the anger that would cause among tens of millions of voters.

[libertybele]

@Jasshead, again, I'm not quite sure who you think would have the money or the ground game at this point in time to challenge and triumph over Trump to be the GOP nominee.  Secondly, with all respect @Jazzhead, I don't think you realize how large Trump's rallies are.  If you haven't watched one, it is quite incredible.  Even more incredible is the number of his supporters attending his rallies since he has become president has actually increased.  So, voters aren't exactly in-line with your thinking. 

[libertybele]

Well, it may not be a good defense of him in isolation, but it is a very good defense if the likely alternative to Trump in power is giving power to the Democrats.

It's who he is, and he's not going to change. 

1)  Not trying to be trite, but....So?  I get the feeling that there is a certain set of Republicans who are living in some fantasy reality where they can get Trump to just disappear, regain control of their party, and then run a more "respectable" candidate in 2020 to beat the Democrats.

Not going to happen in a million years.  If Republican Senators forced Trump out either via conviction or political pressure, the party would be irrevocably fractured for the foreseeable future.  You'd alienate permanently far more Trump supporters than you'd gain in NT moderates.  I think inside the Beltway elites like Noonan haven't fully grasped the anger that would cause among tens of millions of voters.

2)  I suspect McConnell is going to use any impeachment trial as a gift-wrapped opportunity to showcase everything horrible Democrats, including Biden, have done with respect to colluding with foreign governments/profitting from political connections.  It's the best explanation for why he thinks it would take so long.  And it really could be a gift -- the entire national spotlight on the Senate, and he finally gets to unload all the stuff that had previously been mostly limited to conservative outlets.

   Fracturing the GOP party even further is the last thing that this country needs.  Either you stand with Trump and the progress that he's made, or you risk fracturing the party...which is exactly with the globalists, socialists and the DEMS are hoping.

[Jazzhead]

@Jasshead, again, I'm not quite sure who you think would have the money or the ground game at this point in time to challenge and triumph over Trump to be the GOP nominee.  Secondly, with all respect @Jazzhead, I don't think you realize how large Trump's rallies are.  If you haven't watched one, it is quite incredible.  Even more incredible is the number of his supporters attending his rallies since he has become president has actually increased.  So, voters aren't exactly in-line with your thinking.

I have never advocated Trump's impeachment and removal.   I have advocated that, like LBJ, he serve just one term and pass the torch to a successor who can appeal to the Trump base as well as the rest of us.  I foresee otherwise a GOP debacle where we lose both the Presidency and the Senate.   

I posted the Noonan column as a cautionary explanation of how the tectonic plates in Washington may be shifting.   It isn't because the Dem kangaroo court is finding evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors.  It is because the President is increasingly striking out based on anger and emotion without apparent counsel from those who understand the stakes.   He seems to me to have a political death wish.   Don't be surprised if the Senate concludes it may as well accommodate his desire to be a martyr. 

[XenaLee]

@Jasshead, again, I'm not quite sure who you think would have the money or the ground game at this point in time to challenge and triumph over Trump to be the GOP nominee.  Secondly, with all respect @Jazzhead, I don't think you realize how large Trump's rallies are.  If you haven't watched one, it is quite incredible.  Even more incredible is the number of his supporters attending his rallies since he has become president has actually increased.  So, voters aren't exactly in-line with your thinking.

Right.   And keep in mind that... for every supporter that shows up for one of his rallies....

there are hundreds more out there that are sitting at home watching.... and hundreds more not at the rallies that plan to still vote for him next year barring something dire and unforeseen.    His popularity is much higher than the rigged polls are showing, IOW.

[sneakypete]

   

1)  Not trying to be trite, but....So?  I get the feeling that there is a certain set of Republicans who are living in some fantasy reality where they can get Trump to just disappear, regain control of their party, and then run a more "respectable" candidate in 2020 to beat the Democrats.

 @Maj. Bill Martin

And why not? After all,look at all the success the moderate alleged Republicans have had promoting conservatism and saving our nation from foreign invaders in the past? All they need to do is mind their manners,be polite to the left,and promise to never step on anyone's toes.  A PERFECT plan!  (EXTREME sarcasm)

[sneakypete]

-I think inside the Beltway elites like Noonan haven't fully grasped the anger that would cause among tens of millions of voters.

@truth_seeker

They don't understand anything about the way normal Americans think or speak because the only people they socialize with is their fellow beltway insiders. A VERY incestuous gathering of self-styled elites who know what is best for us rubes.

[skeeter]

I have never advocated Trump's impeachment and removal.   I have advocated that, like LBJ, he serve just one term and pass the torch to a successor who can appeal to the Trump base as well as the rest of us.  I foresee otherwise a GOP debacle where we lose both the Presidency and the Senate.   

I posted the Noonan column as a cautionary explanation of how the tectonic plates in Washington may be shifting.   It isn't because the Dem kangaroo court is finding evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors.  It is because the President is increasingly striking out based on anger and emotion without apparent counsel from those who understand the stakes.   He seems to me to have a political death wish.   Don't be surprised if the Senate concludes it may as well accommodate his desire to be a martyr.

It's no secret that DC wants to return to the status quo - they have since Nov 2016, but do you really believe a majority of the voting population is pining for a return to the two party franchise, where the only thing that got accomplished (besides the inexorable leftward legislative slide) was party insiders getting filthy rich?

In this economy?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Jazzhead

I have never advocated Trump's impeachment and removal.   I have advocated that, like LBJ, he serve just one term and pass the torch to a successor who can appeal to the Trump base as well as the rest of us.

I know you haven't.  But it's quite clear that other GOP elites disagree, and those are the ones who are driving the anti-Trump GOP bus at this point.

As I recall, you advocated someone like Mitchell approaching Trump in private, without outside controversy, and telling him he should not run again.  I didn't think that would happen/was possible, but I think events have overtaken that hope anyway. No matter what "behind the scenes" effort would be tried now, it would now inevitably be linked to the pending impeachment, and Trump's promise not to run again would be taken as a tacit admissions that he was guilty, and would have been removed from office anyway.  I don't think he'd ever refuse to run again under these circumstances, but even if internal GOP pressure did force him to "voluntarily" back out of 2020, the appearance of being pushed out by other Republicans would be the same.

Regardless of whether or not it could ever have happened in theory, that ship has sailed.  Trump supporters will now turn on anyone seen as opposing him because they see this as a coup by national elites.  Hell, I don't even like the guy and I wouldn't vote for any other Republican if Trump was forced out of the race now.  It would feel too much like a coup for me to sanction that process with a vote.  I'd be done, for this election and for every one after it.

I foresee otherwise a GOP debacle where we lose both the Presidency and the Senate.

We might.  But going down with Trump only hurts the party in this election.  It doesn't permanently damage it for future elections as well, and that's what would happen if the elites force him out.   

[sneakypete]

  Fracturing the GOP party even further is the last thing that this country needs.  Either you stand with Trump and the progress that he's made, or you risk fracturing the party...which is exactly with the globalists, socialists and the DEMS are hoping.

@Maj. Bill Martin @libertybele

It is MY firm belief that if Trump loses the 2020 election that the next step is violent revolution. NOT because Trump lost,but because he was the last great hope for freedom in an America rapidly turning into a cog in the Global Machine. Once that last chance of returning to a Constitutional Republic with traditional viewpoints is lost,it's "Game ON!"

Which,IMHO would result in the UN sending in "peacekeepers",which would be the equivalent of throwing a Molotov Cocktail into a dynamite bunker.

And this might well happen because the Beltway Boys and the RNC/DNC leadership have no freaking idea what motivates the typical America because they honestly think we are too stupid to think.

Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of our military members are also typical Americans,and are NOT likely to respond in a manner their supposed masters think if given orders to fire on US citizens.

I don't know who would win,but it would be one HELL of a war.

I also know which side my rifle and I will be on.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

  Fracturing the GOP party even further is the last thing that this country needs.  Either you stand with Trump and the progress that he's made, or you risk fracturing the party...which is exactly with the globalists, socialists and the DEMS are hoping.

I'll say this -- if there are Republicans who so abhor Trump that they can't bear to support him...fine.  Not going to ask/expect anyone to say positive things about someone that they don't believe.  But in the case of elected Republicans holding office, I draw the line at actively trying to attack him, because all those people are accomplishing is making it more likely that we lose next November, and hand power to some leftist.

[Jazzhead]

. . . if the elites force him out.

The elites won't force him out.  His own craziness will.   

[sneakypete]

I have never advocated Trump's impeachment and removal.   I have advocated that, like LBJ, he serve just one term and pass the torch to a successor who can appeal to the Trump base as well as the rest of us.

@Jazzhead

And just who would that be? Lady Lindsey,the McLunatic towel boy?

[sneakypete]

Right.   And keep in mind that... for every supporter that shows up for one of his rallies....

there are hundreds more out there that are sitting at home watching.... and hundreds more not at the rallies that plan to still vote for him next year barring something dire and unforeseen.    His popularity is much higher than the rigged polls are showing, IOW.

@XenaLee

I agree,and in MY opinion,the "Marshmallow Middle" alleged Republicans know this too,and that is what has them chewing through their restraints.

They are losers that are comfortable with losing,and most would cheer the idea of Boy Jorge taking over the WH again if that were legally possible.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin @libertybele

It is MY firm belief that if Trump loses the 2020 election that the next step is violent revolution. NOT because Trump lost,but because he was the last great hope for freedom in an America rapidly turning into a cog in the Global Machine. Once that last chance of returning to a Constitutional Republic with traditional viewpoints,it's "Game ON!"

Nah....

Look, I know there are some conservatives who might actually relish that, but it's not going to happen.  The truth is that the country is very divided.  Probably 40% or so Trump fans (and only a small percentage of those willing to fight), another 40% who hate his guts, and then a squishy middle that just wants everyone to play more nicely together.  It is entirely possible that he could legitimate lose the election vote-wise.

Additionally, Trump supporters are not geographically concentrated -- they are found in suburban and rural areas intermixed with cities and suburbs that hate him.  So there's really no shot at a civil war conveniently aligned with geography, etc..  And for the most part...there's nobody to fight.  I mean, what am I going to do?  Wander down to my Trump-hating neighbor 3 doors down and start shooting?

Which,IMHO would result in the UN sending in "peacekeepers",which would be the equivalent of throwing a Molotov Cocktail into a dynamite bunker.

Honestly, that makes you sound a bit paranoid.  The UN can't put together peacekeeping forces anyway because nobody wants to support them, and I don't think there's anyone in the world who'd want to send their troops here to face even a partially hostile population.  Not going to happen.

If the left gains control of this country, it'll be through the history-honored practice of pandering to those who survive on government largesse and their sympathizers, and taking power as an actual majority.