Bernie Sanders Could Have Died Under Medicare-for-All

[rangerrebew]

Bernie Sanders Could Have Died Under Medicare-for-All

Under socialized medicine, Bernie would have waited weeks instead of a day.
Fri Oct 4, 2019 Daniel Greenfield


Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

On Tuesday night, Senator Bernie Sanders, the socialist candidate who has run on a plan to nationalize medicine and ban health insurance, began to feel ill while doing an event at a Pakistani Halal restaurant.

Sanders requested a chair in the middle of answering a question. He appeared even more confused than usual and stumbled through his response. The event at the Halal restaurant was cut short and the millionaire campaigner against wealth was rushed to the hospital and admitted that very night.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/10/bernie-sanders-could-have-died-under-medicare-all-daniel-greenfield/

[LMAO]

 :Medicare for All, like the GND, and many other scams the Democrats are running on are simply not going to happen. If Sanders, Warren and all the rest could wave a magic wand they would do it. But our process has no magic wands. Having ideas is one thing. Implementing those ideas on 320 some million diverse people is another

 Sanders, and those like him, believe that hospitals and doctors will work just as hard, or even harder,  to just get paid the standard Medicare reimbursement rate. If human beings were programmable robots that Warren and Sanders could just type programs into and make them serve their will, well that would be a different story

We are unable to pay for the Medicare promises are made now. How are we going to pay for a whole mess of new promises on top of that? On top of that, it’s one thing to throw red meat to a base. But there is a world beyond a base of supporters that are going to vehemently oppose losing their private insurance to be in rolled into a government program where their choices and options are even further restricted. On top of that, being told that they have to provide Medicare to all the illegal and legal immigrants.

[Victoria33]

@rangerrebew

Article said: "Bernie Sanders Could Have Died Under Medicare-for-All  Under socialized medicine, Bernie would have waited weeks instead of a day."

Why would that be what happens if all have Medicare?
I have Medicare and a Supplemental policy and I would get emergency treatment and hospitalization if required, immediately if I had to go to an emergency room.  This article says Bernie would not get immediate treatment if all had Medicare.

Person who wrote the article is projecting (making up) a scenario that would happen if all had Medicare.  Even in England where all have government medical care, if they want it, a person still gets emergency care if needed - even if you are a foreigner visiting there.  Some years ago, in England, an American friend of my son was visiting and she fell and broke her arm.  She was immediately treated in emergency room and arm set in cast.

England also has private medical insurance which son has.  There are two types of hospitals there.  One for those on government plan and you will have to wait for non-emergency medical care and there are no private hospital rooms;there are wards with multiple patients in ward.  The private hospitals have single rooms for patients.  Under private plan one gets an appt. with your chosen doctor very soon, just like we have here, and there is no waiting for treatment.

I am saying Bernie would get heart treatment on emergency basis even if all were on Medicare.

I am not writing that Medicare for all is good - it can't be paid for and won't work.  I am only addressing emergency care if all are on Medicare. 

[austingirl]

@rangerrebew

Article said: "Bernie Sanders Could Have Died Under Medicare-for-All  Under socialized medicine, Bernie would have waited weeks instead of a day."

Why would that be what happens if all have Medicare?
I have Medicare and a Supplemental policy and I would get emergency treatment and hospitalization if required, immediately if I had to go to an emergency room.  This article says Bernie would not get immediate treatment if all had Medicare.

Person who wrote the article is projecting (making up) a scenario that would happen if all had Medicare.  Even in England where all have government medical care, if they want it, a person still gets emergency care if needed - even if you are a foreigner visiting there.  Some years ago, in England, an American friend of my son was visiting and she fell and broke her arm.  She was immediately treated in emergency room and arm set in cast.

England also has private medical insurance which son has.  There are two types of hospitals there.  One for those on government plan and you will have to wait for non-emergency medical care and there are no private hospital rooms;there are wards with multiple patients in ward.  The private hospitals have single rooms for patients.  Under private plan one gets an appt. with your chosen doctor very soon, just like we have here, and there is no waiting for treatment.

I am saying Bernie would get heart treatment on emergency basis even if all were on Medicare.

I am not writing that Medicare for all is good - it can't be paid for and won't work.  I am only addressing emergency care if all are on Medicare.

From the article:

Despite the name, Medicare for All has nothing to do with Medicare. It’s a socialist proposal that would actually eliminate Medicare and reduce everyone to a sub-Medicaid system with limited care options. It draws its inspiration from the British NHS, Canada’s socialized medicine and some European systems.


While Bernie’s timetable of getting an angioplasty within a day might not sound that impressive to Americans, in the British NHS system, the median time from assessment to treatment is 55.3 days. Mean times for treatment have been cited as being 80 days. The maximum NHS waiting time is supposed to be 18 weeks and almost 16% of patients in the UK have to wait more than 3 months for an angioplasty.
Canada’s socialist system has angioplasty waiting times of around 11 weeks. And that’s after you get an appointment to see a specialist. The usual approach is to hand patients some aspirin and to praise Canada’s enlightened socialist system for not “rushing” patients into the hospital like the Americans.
You can go to the ER, but waiting times in Canadian ERs are worse than most other countries.
Senator Bernie Sanders has cited Norway as an inspiration for his socialist policies. 13.4% of Norwegians wait three or more months for the procedure that Bernie got just by walking into an “undisclosed” hospital in the United States.

Bernie waited a day in Vegas to get his angioplasty. In Norway, he would have waited 39 days.

The author is absolutely correct.

[Victoria33]

"It draws its inspiration from the British NHS...in the British NHS system, the median time from assessment to treatment is 55.3 days."

Not for emergency care and I gave an example; another one in Britain is extended family member who had major pain in abdomen, on British free system, went to emergency room and taken in immediately for surgery for bleeding ulcer.  This person was in the free hospital and in a ward for days with numerous other hospital patients.  When she finally got out of hospital, she got private care policy so she would have a private room if this happened again.

Another extended family member on free British system, had major abdominal pain, went to emergency, taken in for abdominal surgery due to bleeding colon problem.  Immediate care is only for emergencies; yes, a person has to wait many days to see a doctor for non-emergency reasons and non-emergency tests.  A family member on free plan needed a colonoscopy and had to wait weeks to get it.  Also, on their free plan, one cannot choose a doctor to see for check-ups or health problems; one gets whatever doctor is available for that day.  With the private plan, one can choose which doctor they want to see for regular care.  Doctors see their private patients in their offices, and on certain days, they see free patients at a clinic for such.

Many years ago, on private plan in British system, not the free plan, the doctor would go to the home.  First time that happened with family member, he thanked the doc for coming and gave doc money which he did not have to do.  Doc then told how much money they were paid from this private policy service and gave member his phone number to call him if there was another medical problem and he would come.

For over 25 years, I have known about their system, the two plans and how they actually work when one is in either plan.

[LMAO]

 There is a whole lot of problems that would come up with Medicare for All.  I’ve even listed some of them in my posts. But emergency care is the same under a universal healthcare system as here.

[truth_seeker]

1. "#nevertrumper" McCain cast the deciding vote, to save Obamacare.

[Victoria33]

There is a whole lot of problems that would come up with Medicare for All.  I’ve even listed some of them in my posts. But emergency care is the same under a universal healthcare system as here.

@LMAO

Thanks for your post.   

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Yeah, like a Senator is going to be limited to the dregs they "offer" the rest of us.

[austingirl]

What people who are advocating for Medicare for all fail to realize is that resources, like stents, will be in short supply for the serfs. And Medicare supplemental policies be illegal.

[berdie]

What people who are advocating for Medicare for all fail to realize is that resources, like stents, will be in short supply for the serfs. And Medicare supplemental policies be illegal.

Supplemental policies may not be illegal but they will be unaffordable.

So the Bernies of the world will live. They rest of us....

[Cyber Liberty]

Yeah, like a Senator is going to be limited to the dregs they "offer" the rest of us.

100% correct. As part of the leftist wing of the Ruling Class, no medical treatment would be spared, and not a moment either.  Look at McCain's ghost, and try to tell me he didn't have the very best of the very bestest.  Nowhere is the two-tier system more evident than in quality of medical care.

[Sighlass]

From the article:

Despite the name, Medicare for All has nothing to do with Medicare. It’s a socialist proposal that would actually eliminate Medicare and reduce everyone to a sub-Medicaid system with limited care options. It draws its inspiration from the British NHS, Canada’s socialized medicine and some European systems.


While Bernie’s timetable of getting an angioplasty within a day might not sound that impressive to Americans, in the British NHS system, the median time from assessment to treatment is 55.3 days. Mean times for treatment have been cited as being 80 days. The maximum NHS waiting time is supposed to be 18 weeks and almost 16% of patients in the UK have to wait more than 3 months for an angioplasty.
Canada’s socialist system has angioplasty waiting times of around 11 weeks. And that’s after you get an appointment to see a specialist. The usual approach is to hand patients some aspirin and to praise Canada’s enlightened socialist system for not “rushing” patients into the hospital like the Americans.
You can go to the ER, but waiting times in Canadian ERs are worse than most other countries.
Senator Bernie Sanders has cited Norway as an inspiration for his socialist policies. 13.4% of Norwegians wait three or more months for the procedure that Bernie got just by walking into an “undisclosed” hospital in the United States.

Bernie waited a day in Vegas to get his angioplasty. In Norway, he would have waited 39 days.

My brother had surgery today, he lived. The doctor said it wasn't gout that was hurting his foot so bad, it was gangrene and that another day they would of had to take his toe off (or foot).

I am going to see him in a few hours, I need to thank the Lord not just for his life, but for America.

[Cyber Liberty]

More prayers for your Bro, @Sighlass.

 

[DCPatriot]

Excellent news, @Sighlass !     

[austingirl]

My brother had surgery today, he lived. The doctor said it wasn't gout that was hurting his foot so bad, it was gangrene and that another day they would of had to take his toe off (or foot).

I am going to see him in a few hours, I need to thank the Lord not just for his life, but for America.

@Sighlass

Glad your brother pulled through. Prayers for a quick recovery.