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White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« on: September 27, 2019, 03:13:17 pm »
Washington (CNN) — The White House is acknowledging for the first time that officials did direct the Ukraine call transcript be filed in a separate classified system.

In a statement provided to CNN, a senior White House official says it was under the direction of National Security Council attorneys: "NSC lawyers directed that the classified document be handled appropriately."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-white-house/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2019, 04:18:30 pm »
Quote from: edpc on September 27, 2019, 03:13:17 pm
Washington (CNN) — The White House is acknowledging for the first time that officials did direct the Ukraine call transcript be filed in a separate classified system.

In a statement provided to CNN, a senior White House official says it was under the direction of National Security Council attorneys: "NSC lawyers directed that the classified document be handled appropriately."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-white-house/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

So what.

After leaks of multiple other conversations with national leaders, any and all sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were wisely moved to more secure storage. Stop trying to make something of a nothing burger...the Dems love useful idiots who buy into these absurd tropes.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2019, 04:26:44 pm »
I suppose the obvious question would be, "Are all such call records stored in the secured server?"
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2019, 04:31:57 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on September 27, 2019, 04:18:30 pm
So what.

After leaks of multiple other conversations with national leaders, any and all sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were wisely moved to more secure storage. Stop trying to make something of a nothing burger...the Dems love useful idiots who buy into these absurd tropes.

The Dems ARE useful idiots who buy into these absurd tropes.  (JS...)
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2019, 04:35:04 pm »
Quote from: edpc on September 27, 2019, 03:13:17 pm
Washington (CNN) — The White House is acknowledging for the first time that officials did direct the Ukraine call transcript be filed in a separate classified system.

In a statement provided to CNN, a senior White House official says it was under the direction of National Security Council attorneys: "NSC lawyers directed that the classified document be handled appropriately."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-white-house/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

I don't get the dilemma.   So the procedure, now, is to move such documents (ie transcripts of classified calls) to a secure server due to the fact that previous transcripts had been leaked to the media by White House spies and leakers.   It seems like the logical and prudent thing to do under the circumstances.   Duh.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2019, 04:39:37 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on September 27, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
I don't get the dilemma.   So the procedure, now, is to move such documents (ie transcripts of classified calls) to a secure server due to the fact that previous transcripts had been leaked to the media by White House spies and leakers.   It seems like the logical and prudent thing to do under the circumstances.   Duh.

I find it fascinating these documents were ever in an unsecured file system.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2019, 04:41:57 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on September 27, 2019, 04:35:04 pm
I don't get the dilemma.   So the procedure, now, is to move such documents (ie transcripts of classified calls) to a secure server due to the fact that previous transcripts had been leaked to the media by White House spies and leakers.   It seems like the logical and prudent thing to do under the circumstances.   Duh.

The White House acknowledged it ’for the first time’ because they thought they wouldn’t have to - the need would be self evident.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2019, 04:42:49 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 27, 2019, 04:39:37 pm
I find it fascinating these documents were ever in an unsecured file system.

Yeah.   That's another odd factoid.   But then.... we already know how embedded the anti-Trump deep staters are within those WH "officials".   Trump would have been better off had he fired the entire staff Day One.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2019, 04:45:19 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 27, 2019, 04:41:57 pm
The White House acknowledged it ’for the first time’ because they thought they wouldn’t have to - the need would be self evident.

They had no idea that they would, by reason of necessity, be in 24/7 CYA mode.   They should have been paying attention during GWB's presidency.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2019, 04:58:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 27, 2019, 04:39:37 pm
I find it fascinating these documents were ever in an unsecured file system.


They weren’t unsecured. There are just different levels of security. This one is the highest level, generally reserved for covert operations, intelligence assets, and other things that warrants that type of compartmentalization.

There are four general systems where it can go, they said. Each of these must be accessed using a different computer:

A privileged, unclassified system accessible to many White House employees (this is used for general email, etc.).

A "Secret" classified system that is connected to a global network and is accessible by people with the correct security clearance in, for example, the military or State Department.

A "Top Secret" classified system accessible to people with that security clearance (more often limited to people in the NSA, CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as well as White House employees with the correct clearance).

The codeword-classified system that is not connected to the internet.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zmjyky/whats-in-trumps-super-classified-server-and-why-is-he-hiding-things-there


The problem and the scrutiny will come from the inconsistency. As the White House reported, lawyers advised on this type of classification. Trump said this was a ‘nothing’ call. The NSC lawyers dispense legal advice, not political advice. Their reasoning behind putting it on that server isn’t because they were worried about MSM and Democrat overreaction.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2019, 05:10:10 pm »
Quote from: edpc on September 27, 2019, 04:58:53 pm

There are four general systems where it can go, they said. Each of these must be accessed using a different computer:

A privileged, unclassified system accessible to many White House employees (this is used for general email, etc.).

A "Secret" classified system that is connected to a global network and is accessible by people with the correct security clearance in, for example, the military or State Department.

A "Top Secret" classified system accessible to people with that security clearance (more often limited to people in the NSA, CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as well as White House employees with the correct clearance).

The codeword-classified system that is not connected to the internet.

You forgot to list "private non-government server located in an unsecured home closet".
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2019, 05:11:14 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 27, 2019, 04:26:44 pm
I suppose the obvious question would be, "Are all such call records stored in the secured server?"

And the answer can be found about mid-way down this article, https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/26/trump-lockdown-transcript-1514714 :

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After 2017, when verbatim transcripts of his conversations with the leaders of Australian and Mexico were leaked to the press, the White House began to restrict the number of officials who had access to the transcripts. One former Trump administration official confirmed that the White House started placing transcripts into the codeword system after those leaks.

“I don’t think the person who leaked those was ever really discovered,” said the former Trump administration official. “So there was a decision to tighten the restrictions for those who had access to those transcripts.”

April Doss, who served as senior minority counsel for the Russia investigation on the Senate Intelligence Committee and, prior to that, as a top attorney at the National Security Agency, said the S//OC//NF designation of the memo “seems like a typical level of classification for that kind of call.”

IOW, whoever the real leaker(s) is/are, they're just POed their ability to leak got limited two years ago. ASSuming the "whistleblower" didn't pull this whole thing out of his or her rectum.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2019, 05:15:11 pm »
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
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After 2017, when verbatim transcripts of his conversations with the leaders of Australian and Mexico were leaked to the press, the White House began to restrict the number of officials who had access to the transcripts. One former Trump administration official confirmed that the White House started placing transcripts into the codeword system after those leaks.

No wonder that the Democrats are so upset.  Trump made it much harder for them to acquire and divulge classified materials.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2019, 05:19:45 pm »
Quote from: edpc on September 27, 2019, 04:58:53 pm

They weren’t unsecured. There are just different levels of security. This one is the highest level, generally reserved for covert operations, intelligence assets, and other things that warrants that type of compartmentalization.

There are four general systems where it can go, they said. Each of these must be accessed using a different computer:

A privileged, unclassified system accessible to many White House employees (this is used for general email, etc.).

A "Secret" classified system that is connected to a global network and is accessible by people with the correct security clearance in, for example, the military or State Department.

A "Top Secret" classified system accessible to people with that security clearance (more often limited to people in the NSA, CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as well as White House employees with the correct clearance).

The codeword-classified system that is not connected to the internet.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zmjyky/whats-in-trumps-super-classified-server-and-why-is-he-hiding-things-there


The problem and the scrutiny will come from the inconsistency. As the White House reported, lawyers advised on this type of classification. Trump said this was a ‘nothing’ call. The NSC lawyers dispense legal advice, not political advice. Their reasoning behind putting it on that server isn’t because they were worried about MSM and Democrat overreaction.

They could be protecting executive privilege as a matter of principle.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2019, 05:23:27 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on September 27, 2019, 05:15:37 pm
No wonder that the Democrats are so upset.  Trump made it much harder for them to acquire and divulge classified materials.

It certainly made it a lot more likely they'll find out who leaked this particular transcript.  That person is not protected by an "dog-whistleblower law."
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2019, 05:24:51 pm »
Democrat narrative"

Bad boy Trump, hiding his Ukraine phonecon, in sneaky secret computer system

"Trump narrative"

The "secret system" implemented early in term, when lleaks were discovered by disloyal Obama loyalists, holding over in non-political bureacratic slots.

"Media narrative," always same as democrat narrative.Likewise certain members here, virtually always pushing democrat versions

When do the democrats and the media, ask Biden difficult questions?
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2019, 05:27:41 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on September 27, 2019, 04:18:30 pm
So what.

After leaks of multiple other conversations with national leaders, any and all sensitive conversations with foreign leaders were wisely moved to more secure storage. Stop trying to make something of a nothing burger...the Dems love useful idiots who buy into these absurd tropes.

Correct!   Greater security was needed for transcripts of private conversations because the "resistance" moles have a track record of illegal leaking.   
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2019, 05:33:35 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on September 27, 2019, 05:24:51 pm
Democrat narrative"

Bad boy Trump, hiding his Ukraine phonecon, in sneaky secret computer system

"Trump narrative"

The "secret system" implemented early in term, when lleaks were discovered by disloyal Obama loyalists, holding over in non-political bureacratic slots.

"Media narrative," always same as democrat narrative.Likewise certain members here, virtually always pushing democrat versions

When do the democrats and the media, ask Biden difficult questions?

Word!   :beer:
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2019, 05:43:02 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 27, 2019, 05:27:41 pm
Correct!   Greater security was needed for transcripts of private conversations because the "resistance" moles have a track record of illegal leaking.

"Resistance Moles"

loyal to Clinton/Obama/ or both.

Joe Biden himself, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Obama himself,Hillary herself, Strzok, Page, Oh, Rosenstein, and many more.

Virtually all mainstream media. And Kristol, George Will, Usual #nevertrump forces.

Trump threatens the establishment status quo. Government employee unions. The vast military, industrial, congressional complex, the media that live on leaks from them all.

On the GOP side Bush, McCain, Romney, Ryan dynasty forces forces.
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2019, 05:52:41 pm »
I have to say, at least to me the video of Trump meeting with the Ukrainian leader was not impressive.  I thought he was talking down to him.  And the Ukrainian President appeared that he was having to defend himself.  And talking about the biggest thing coming from Ukraine?  The winner of the Beauty Pagent really?

https://wsvn.com/news/politics/ukrainian-leader-bristles-at-release-of-trump-transcript/

I guess he didn't check how much aide is given to Ukraine by Germany either.   ****sheep****
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2019, 06:01:55 pm »
A pretty decent article by Ed Morrissey, giving a rundown of the ifs and buts in the situation.


White House: NSC lawyers directed Zelensky transcript storage decision

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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2019, 06:03:03 pm »
Translation:  We can expect even more corruption inserted into this mess!
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Re: White House says lawyers directed moving Ukraine transcript to highly secure system
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2019, 06:53:17 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on September 27, 2019, 05:52:41 pm
I have to say, at least to me the video of Trump meeting with the Ukrainian leader was not impressive.  I thought he was talking down to him.  And the Ukrainian President appeared that he was having to defend himself.


In regards to American Presidents dealing with foreign leaders, Trump's approach is a thousand times preferable than the one below:



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