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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2019, 04:57:25 pm »
Come on, Man, we need to compromise and do it my way.

LOL! Yeah, that's the ticket...
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2019, 05:10:09 pm »
Another one lacking reading comprehension....

I said the media created many more of 'you'.  And, that despite what they claim, not all of them got off their asses and voted in 2016.

...and in spite of THEM, the SOB won anyway.

I'm trying to figure out your confusing posts here, DC.....

Are you saying that you felt free to include @roamer_1 and me in some sort of guilt by association based on your assumption that even though we voted, but did not vote for Trump, we are somehow the reason that these imaginary people (THEM) didn't vote in 2016?  And even though neither of us was or ever will be swayed by the media, that we are somehow to blame for those who were?

I'm trying to figure out what we are guilty of, other than not comprehending what the heck you're talking about.

btw, this is thread related because neither of us (and others as well) ever figured that standing for long term principles about right and wrong and the Constitution would cause problems for others on a Conservative forum..... so for us, Twilight Zone is an accurate parallel for where we are post 2016.

Please elucidate and improve our comprehension.

Thanks.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2019, 05:13:24 pm »
You're right.  It IS that critical.

We’re at the point in the evolution of the news media and democrats, where, in full view of the nation, truth is no longer a defense.

Democrats can do, say, make up, anything, any house procedure, any twisted interpretation of law. And what do republicans in Congress do in response?

Check their phones to see if their dinner reservations went through before scheduling a visit to their spa.

Nothing—they do nothing. Except maybe join the chorus.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2019, 05:15:32 pm »
Let's not re-fight these olde wars, ad nauseam.   It's already been done to death... and right here on this forum, in fact.   Let's, instead, unite to defeat (the only way) the radical leftists/Democrats.   If they win next year, America loses everything Americans have ever fought and died for.  It's that critical.

That's a nice idea, @XenaLee , because everyone on this forum agrees that the radical left is evil.  The problem is "uniting" with a party that is only slightly less evil.

As has been said above, it is obvious that both parties are the same in that all they care about is political power.  Our side says it believes in what we believe in, but then never does a darn thing to correct the wrongs.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2019, 05:15:39 pm »
@sneakypete
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You mean the very same excuse used to scare republicans into eschewing conservatism every time, my entire life?

@roamer_1

What makes you think Republicans are,or ever were,"conservatives" in the sense we take it to mean these days? From what little I know and have been told of the past,they were always self-serving globalists.

Having said that,that still put them several steps higher up the ladder than the Stalin wannabes. The thing about the Republicans was back then we didn't  have instant communications,and their focus on making money kept them from causing too much trouble. That can't be said about the modern day Republicans. The have now gone "full global",and have dreams of making America a cog in the globalist machine.

Which changes NOTHING because no matter what fantasies you suffer from,you can NOT name ONE single President in the last hundred years that has done more to save America as a free and independent nation than Trump has. He is the first President in my knowledge that entered office not owing a party or anyone in it a damn thing,and who had more blackmail material on people like Soros and the DNC leadership than they had on him.

Trump wants to go down in the history books as the "President that saved America",and that is all he cares about.

It is also all *I* care about. Poses are for posers. I want somebody that can't be bought or intimidated sitting in the WH. So far I am very pleased with what he has accomplished despite people like you,the RINO's, and the DNC sticking knives in his back and trying to stop him every step of the way.

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*YAWN*

EVERY election year is framed as 'The Most Important Election EVER!!!'

They ARE for those of us that live in the real world. Name ONE event more important.

 

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What stops liberalism IS CONSERVATISM. Period. Not Republican-ism.
Vote for that and REALLY stop it. Everything else is distraction and the licensing of otherwise.

That is awesome in it's ignorance as well as it's arrogance. NO candidate that isn't picked voted for by the voters in a primary election will EVER be elected in the US.

Unlike people like you,most of us live in the real world. A world where only a outsider politician that already has money and can't be bought becomes President against all odds,and sets about doing what everybody on these boards has been whining about since I started posting in the 90's,couldn't be done.

What is YOUR suggestion,vote for Tinkerbelle and have him/her jump up into the air and click it's little heels?

C'mon,whining is cheap. SPEAK UP and tell us who is going to come in,take over,and save America once you dump Trump!

Speak up,or forever hold your peace.
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #80 on: September 29, 2019, 05:16:15 pm »
No, I don't. I think it is a scare tactic and voting scared is always a mistake.

Then you really haven't been paying attention.   Some may call me a pessimist, but I am, rather, a realist.  I see clearly what is going on here in this nation.   And what is happening does indeed "scare me".   You, on the other hand, obviously do not see things clearly.   Sad, that.

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Republicans are the same dang thing. And until all y'all start cleaning up your own house, you've no business throwing stones.

No, they're not exactly the same.   There actually are maybe half a dozen or more GOPers that I respect and look to for sanity vs. the commie leftist insanity from the DemocRats.  There are some GOPers that I haven't researched yet and are off my radar that could be trustworthy.  Conversely....there is not even ONE Democrat that I can truthfully say I would trust to even sell me a used car, much less trust with the future of this nation as a free country.   So on this point, as well, you are incorrect (wrong).

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Your position is 'lesser evil' all over again. Over and over and over and over and over and over again.  *****rollingeyes*****

So your solution is to just allow the greater evil to take full control?  Which is exactly what will happen if everyone follows your lead.   Screw that.   I consider that to be a non-viable solution (and extremely stupid).  JS....

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #81 on: September 29, 2019, 05:23:07 pm »
That's a nice idea, @XenaLee , because everyone on this forum agrees that the radical left is evil.  The problem is "uniting" with a party that is only slightly less evil.

As has been said above, it is obvious that both parties are the same in that all they care about is political power.  Our side says it believes in what we believe in, but then never does a darn thing to correct the wrongs.

I disagree.   Check my reply to roamer.   

We simply can NOT vote according to this incorrect perception.   If both parties were the same (Trump is in the GOP, remember).... the reality is... we would be back in deep stagnation and/or recession... ie the "lowered expectations" that Obama brought us as the """new norm""" for America and for Americans to just get used to.   Trump (ie the GOP) showed us that was just another leftist lie.   If both parties were the same, we would be fighting to keep possession of our guns.   If both parties were the same, we would all be paying higher taxes to fund the illegals flooding in, unchecked and unfettered.   If both parties were the same, we would literally be headed for that blissful Venezuela utopia that we're already seeing signs of in DemocRAT-run cities.
 
Don't fall for their BS. 
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #82 on: September 29, 2019, 05:25:52 pm »
. . . so for us, Twilight Zone is an accurate parallel for where we are post 2016.
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #83 on: September 29, 2019, 05:33:44 pm »
@musiclady
If it's not the Twilight Zone, it's . . .



More like...



(A cheap imitation of the real thing.)
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2019, 05:35:03 pm »
I don’t know a single politically tuned in person that is unaware of the precipice we are on. “A Time For Choosing” never had more meaning or urgency.

Don’t think the failure of news media to tell the truth will suddenly vanish once the right politically correct President is chosen by them.

Only one person, one president, has ever even attempted to forcefully and truthfully answer the media, much less had successfully fought them. And that’s Donald Trump.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2019, 05:47:50 pm »
What makes you think Republicans are,or ever were,"conservatives" in the sense we take it to mean these days? From what little I know and have been told of the past,they were always self-serving globalists.

Preaching to the choir on that one, @sneakypete
American Conservatism, as it is politically derived, comes ONLY from the Goldwater/Reagan wing of the Republican Party. The moderate wing are globalists and 3rd-way socialists by way of crony corporatism, and the liberal wing is flat out socialist, and always has been.

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Having said that,that still put them several steps higher up the ladder than the Stalin wannabes. The thing about the Republicans was back then we didn't  have instant communications,and their focus on making money kept them from causing too much trouble. That can't be said about the modern day Republicans. The have now gone "full global",and have dreams of making America a cog in the globalist machine.

No, they are quite the same thing - the difference being a fight over who governs, the bureaucratic government, or the bureaucratic consolidation of corporations.

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Which changes NOTHING because no matter what fantasies you suffer from,you can NOT name ONE single President in the last hundred years that has done more to save America as a free and independent nation than Trump has. He is the first President in my knowledge that entered office not owing a party or anyone in it a damn thing,and who had more blackmail material on people like Soros and the DNC leadership than they had on him.

What insufferable pap! You mean the globalist NYC liberal?? That is a laugh-riot!

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Trump wants to go down in the history books as the "President that saved America",and that is all he cares about.

It is also all *I* care about. Poses are for posers. I want somebody that can't be bought or intimidated sitting in the WH. So far I am very pleased with what he has accomplished despite people like you,the RINO's, and the DNC sticking knives in his back and trying to stop him every step of the way.

Whatever.  *****rollingeyes*****
Like I have said over and over, he has accomplished damn little we get to keep.

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They ARE for those of us that live in the real world. Name ONE event more important.

Almost anything is more important unless there is actual change.
 
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Unlike people like you,most of us live in the real world. A world where only a outsider politician that already has money and can't be bought becomes President against all odds,and sets about doing what everybody on these boards has been whining about since I started posting in the 90's,couldn't be done.

Buffaloed. Of course you are talking about a globalist liberal who has filled his cabinet with Wall Street
that should be a clue.

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What is YOUR suggestion,vote for Tinkerbelle and have him/her jump up into the air and click it's little heels?

Vote Conservative, and only Conservative... That's how you get... well, Conservatives. Jeez, this is not a difficult concept. You get more of what you vote *for*.

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C'mon,whining is cheap. SPEAK UP and tell us who is going to come in,take over,and save America once you dump Trump!

Speak up,or forever hold your peace.

That is the difference, man... I don't give a sh*t about Tump, or anyone else that is not Conservative. No one man is going to save us, and that messianic nonsense just naturally has to stop. Republicans are divided precisely because of fear, and the lesser evil mentality. For want of a conservative, vote for whatever Republican instead... And that has filled congress with RINOs that may as well be Democrats, and given us an administration that is going to outspend the Democrats.

Keep feeding the beast Sneaks. That'll fix it.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2019, 05:56:46 pm »
Must we keep re-litigating the Trump Wars?

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2019, 05:57:58 pm »

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What insufferable pap! You mean the globalist NYC liberal?? That is a laugh-riot!

Ok,Bubba,name someone who has done more.


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Whatever.  *****rollingeyes*****
Like I have said over and over, he has accomplished damn little we get to keep.

And like I said,name ONE politician that has done more to bring America back from the brink.  Either do it,or admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

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Almost anything is more important unless there is actual change.

Do even you know what that means?
 
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Buffaloed. Of course you are talking about a globalist liberal who has filled his cabinet with Wall Street
that should be a clue.

Ahhhh,the "anti-elitist" elitism makes an appearance. Which Hillbilly or wannabe Mountain Man would YOU have preferred who  would have been better at dealing with all the complex issues of the modern day,while trying to put our laws back on a Constitutional footing.

Go ahead,name names. Mythical creatures,comic book characters,and movie heroes don't count.

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Vote Conservative, and only Conservative... That's how you get... well, Conservatives. Jeez, this is not a difficult concept. You get more of what you vote *for*.

Once again,Bubba,name names or remain silent on this issue forever.

 
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Keep feeding the beast Sneaks. That'll fix it.  *****rollingeyes*****

I will come a hell of a lot closer than you ever will.
 
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2019, 06:00:21 pm »
Must we keep re-litigating the Trump Wars?

 *****rollingeyes*****

Seems to me it's just another distraction to keep our minds off of the ongoing leftist coup(s).

It's not working with me (or with you).   
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #89 on: September 29, 2019, 06:01:33 pm »
Then you really haven't been paying attention.   Some may call me a pessimist, but I am, rather, a realist.  I see clearly what is going on here in this nation.   And what is happening does indeed "scare me".   You, on the other hand, obviously do not see things clearly.   Sad, that.

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I see just fine, thanks.

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No, they're not exactly the same.   There actually are maybe half a dozen or more GOPers that I respect and look to for sanity vs. the commie leftist insanity from the DemocRats.  There are some GOPers that I haven't researched yet and are off my radar that could be trustworthy.  Conversely....there is not even ONE Democrat that I can truthfully say I would trust to even sell me a used car, much less trust with the future of this nation as a free country.   So on this point, as well, you are incorrect (wrong).

Yes, in fact, they ARE - The handful of Conservatives don't (hardly) matter - There are too few to have power. They don't govern the direction of the Republicans, the moderates do, and liberal Tump. And that means 'global governance by a cabal of corporations'... That is what the Republicans are... In juxtaposition to democrats, who are globalist governance by global government.

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So your solution is to just allow the greater evil to take full control?  Which is exactly what will happen if everyone follows your lead.   Screw that.   I consider that to be a non-viable solution (and extremely stupid).  JS....

Right, so: evil... lesser evil...evil... lesser evil...evil... lesser evil... shuffling ever toward Gomorrah.
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #90 on: September 29, 2019, 06:03:14 pm »
I find your entire movement to be exactly that, @Right_in_Virginia  - It is neither rational or strategic to decry the very principles that your movement purports to be founded upon...

History is proving you wrong @roamer_1   The supporters of then candidate Trump were, indeed, rational.  We saw what was happening in our country; to jobs, our borders, our military our courts; the global infiltration of our treaties, alliance expenditures and trade agreements.  The more we got to know Donald Trump, the more we understood he saw what we saw and was prepared to take the requisite corrective action.  He was unflinching in his support of America, her workers, her soldiers, her history and her future as a sovereign and self-determining nation.

Trump's supporters were and remain the tip of the spear against the massive effort to destroy this nation.  It's why our political enemies hate us so much.

And we knew Trump could beat Clinton.  We were and are rational, strategic --- and courageous.

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And nothing says 'self-absorption' like thinking to change that which has stood the test of time to suit your purposes. 

We're saving what's left of this country that has stood the test of time --- even if you neither see or acknowledge it. 

The "self-absorption" I was referring to in my original post referred to the 2016 election and those "conservatives" or "republicans" who either didn't vote for a presidential candidate or voted third party.   Knowing the election was thisclose and a second President Clinton was touching the crown, abandoning the only alternative with a chance of winning reeked of self-serving, of putting self-righteousness above the good of the country so many loved.

(And yes, there was and remains a vast difference between the two candidates for president in 2016--so you can rest your knee.  There's no need to jerk it with this predicable reply.)

And to those who did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016 but have decided they will vote for the President's reelection  ---  I salute you.  Truly.   :patriot:


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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #91 on: September 29, 2019, 06:03:51 pm »
Must we keep re-litigating the Trump Wars?

 *****rollingeyes*****

How exactly does that stop, so long as Conservatism is commandeered?

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2019, 06:06:03 pm »
I disagree.   Check my reply to roamer.   

We simply can NOT vote according to this incorrect perception.   If both parties were the same (Trump is in the GOP, remember).... the reality is... we would be back in deep stagnation and/or recession... ie the "lowered expectations" that Obama brought us as the """new norm""" for America and for Americans to just get used to.   Trump (ie the GOP) showed us that was just another leftist lie.   If both parties were the same, we would be fighting to keep possession of our guns.   If both parties were the same, we would all be paying higher taxes to fund the illegals flooding in, unchecked and unfettered.   If both parties were the same, we would literally be headed for that blissful Venezuela utopia that we're already seeing signs of in DemocRAT-run cities.
 
Don't fall for their BS.

Both parties are the same in that all they care about is political power, and the Republicans care not one whit about doing what they were elected to do.

If they were, Obamacare would be crippled, the border crisis would be solved and abortion factories would be defunded.

I’ll give you that the economy is better under capitalists, but that’s about it.

I fell for Republican BS for a lot of years.

No more.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2019, 06:06:57 pm »
Seems to me it's just another distraction to keep our minds off of the ongoing leftist coup(s).

It's not working with me (or with you).

I think that's true.

Let's assume that the fence-sitters are going to stay on that fence no matter how brilliant our arguments or what we do or say, and let's go forth and do things.

It may actually be a good thing that the sitters are....sitting their ground.  It may be that they serve to remind us where that ground is and to keep us to our fundamental principles.  They are not going to join the fight because that is not their nature or perhaps even their function.  It behooves the rest of us who are not so burdened by so many immovable principles to move forward and do.  I can respect that.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #94 on: September 29, 2019, 06:08:37 pm »
Seems to me it's just another distraction to keep our minds off of the ongoing leftist coup(s).

It's not working with me (or with you).

Standing for conservative principles is never a distraction.

It’s the core. It’s the center. It’s the meat.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #95 on: September 29, 2019, 06:09:13 pm »
How exactly does that stop, so long as Conservatism is commandeered?

It stops when people finally give up and decide they aren't going to change minds after three years.
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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #96 on: September 29, 2019, 06:12:44 pm »
Both parties are the same in that all they care about is political power, and the Republicans care not one whit about doing what they were elected to do.

If they were, Obamacare would be crippled, the border crisis would be solved and abortion factories would be defunded.

I’ll give you that the economy is better under capitalists, but that’s about it.

I fell for Republican BS for a lot of years.

No more.

Well... right there, you just hit on one of the main differences.   Democrats = Communist.   Republicans = Capitalist.   There are more differences, which I already mentioned... and some which I did not go into.   Bottom line, considering the radical "fundamental transformations" all of the rat candidates are proposing and planning for America.... under the rats we will be much worse off than we are now, which clearly illustrates and proves "a difference".

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #97 on: September 29, 2019, 06:12:48 pm »
Ok,Bubba,name someone who has done more.


More WHAT?

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And like I said,name ONE politician that has done more to bring America back from the brink.  Either do it,or admit you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Reagan, and the 94th Congress, that's a couple hundred or more. And that's the point. This hero worship is absurd. it takes way more than one man.

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Do even you know what that means?

Of course I do.

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Ahhhh,the "anti-elitist" elitism makes an appearance. Which Hillbilly or wannabe Mountain Man would YOU have preferred who  would have been better at dealing with all the complex issues of the modern day,while trying to put our laws back on a Constitutional footing.

Go ahead,name names. Mythical creatures,comic book characters,and movie heroes don't count.
Once again,Bubba,name names or remain silent on this issue forever.

Again, your perspective is flawed. NO single 'who' can do a damn thing. As your heroic president proves daily.
 
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I will come a hell of a lot closer than you ever will.

Not even close. Approving big government is not conservative. And this is big government on steroids.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #98 on: September 29, 2019, 06:14:05 pm »
It stops when people finally give up and decide they aren't going to change minds after three years.

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Re: We Have Now Entered the Twilight Zone
« Reply #99 on: September 29, 2019, 06:14:22 pm »
It stops when people finally give up and decide they aren't going to change minds after three years.

Then we might as well go home.