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The Whistleblower Story Looks Horrendous, But It’s More Likely to Help Trump Than End His Presidency
By John ZieglerSep 20th, 2019, 9:30 am

For the sake of argument, let us stipulate that everything that is being reported about the emerging scandal that appears to involve President Donald Trump promising aid to president of Ukraine in exchange for providing dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden’s son’s business ties there is 100% accurate. Assuming that the whistleblower within the intelligence community who filed the complaint is not badly politically compromised, and there is at least a good transcript of these apparently multiple interactions, in a rational world, Trump would be impeached and likely removed from office.

We no longer live in a sane universe, however, and based on the very excited reactions of Trump critics over the past two days, many have apparently have forgotten that, as Dorothy famously said in The Wizard of Oz, “We’re not in Kansas anymore.” I’m here with a painful, though healthy, reminder that this is still the maddening reality in which we live, and that there is actually a better chance that Trump ultimately benefits from this latest outrage than gets severely punished.

Sure, on paper, things look bleak for Trump on this. His own lawyer, the once highly-respected Rudy Giuliani, looked panic-stricken while essentially admitting on CNN and on Twitter last night that the story is true. The Trump DOJ appears to be in full Bill Barr-led cover-up mode, and the allegations are absolutely worthy of impeaching a president, especially one who is historically very unpopular.

However, there are several reasons that I am extremely skeptical that this story will really be the “game-changer” for which people like me — who think Trump is totally unfit to be our president — have been so desperately hoping.

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Was Trump asking the Ukrainian President for dirt on Biden and his son?....if so, isn't this what the Dems did to him in 2016...time will tell... :pondering:
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So, no whistleblower named, no source agency named, no date named, no foreign country named, no object of the "promise" named ... it's the MSM's standard shtick: A supposedly outrageous accusation with zero details given so as to prevent fact-checking.

When Clara asks the MSM her famous question, the answer is, "There is none."
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It should be pretty clear even to the dimmest bulb by now that this is all a political strategy coordinated between the rats and the MSM.

Hilariously, it doesn't seem to be working.

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It should be pretty clear even to the dimmest bulb by now that this is all a political strategy coordinated between the rats and the MSM.

Hilariously, it doesn't seem to be working.

And just think.... election day is over a year from now, so how many more "fake outrages" and obscure "bombshell accusations" are these idiots on the left going to dredge up and create out of thin air between now and then?   Their "taint" campaign will be ongoing.  It's how they roll.

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And just think.... election day is over a year from now, so how many more "fake outrages" and obscure "bombshell accusations" are these idiots on the left going to dredge up and create out of thin air between now and then?   Their "taint" campaign will be ongoing.  It's how they roll.

Although each of these fake stories ratchets up the rage among leftists the voters the media hopes to reach apparently aren't paying attention anymore. Maybe their goal is to drive up voter turnout among the nutters.

If so there's probably an equal number of voters increasingly likely to support Trump just out of spite for the MSM.
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Although each of these fake stories ratchets up the rage among leftists the voters the media hopes to reach apparently aren't paying attention anymore. Maybe their goal is to drive up voter turnout among the nutters.

If so there's probably an equal number of voters increasingly likely to support Trump just out of spite for the MSM.

My trust of the media these days is thus; If they produce a story that says the grass is green and the sky is blue I go outside and check.
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There's no there there ... in all likelihood.

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Although each of these fake stories ratchets up the rage among leftists the voters the media hopes to reach apparently aren't paying attention anymore. Maybe their goal is to drive up voter turnout among the nutters.

If so there's probably an equal number of voters increasingly likely to support Trump just out of spite for the MSM.

Let's hope it works out that way.... but we already know how many "weak-minded" voters there are in America now.   Easily led sheeple that are too damned lazy to find out the truth, but will soak up the media lies like a sponge.... and that then will remember just enough on election day to vote against the orange dude.   

Considering all of the election and voter fraud, illegals voting and other Democrat shenanigans ... let's hope that there will be an unequal/higher number of voters that see through the rat campaign next November.  Our future and our very lives in America as a 'still free' nation depends upon it.
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Let's hope it works out that way.... but we already know how many "weak-minded" voters there are in America now.   Easily led sheeple that are too damned lazy to find out the truth, but will soak up the media lies like a sponge.... and that then will remember just enough on election day to vote against the orange dude.   

Considering all of the election and voter fraud, illegals voting and other Democrat shenanigans ... let's hope that there will be an unequal/higher number of voters that see through the rat campaign next November.  Our future and our very lives in America as a 'still free' nation depends upon it.

Many on the left believe Trump's campaign is toast - they believe every word of this crap and consequently cannot conceive of him winning in 2020.

If he does their past behavior is gonna look controlled & refined by comparison to how they're gonna react.

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Many on the left believe Trump's campaign is toast - they believe every word of this crap and consequently cannot conceive of him winning in 2020.

If he does their past behavior is gonna look controlled & refined by comparison to how they're gonna react.

And polling for Trump is somewhat up, I was just reading in a thread just posted. That often seems to happen when some negative opposition or doomsayers come about, ironic but true.

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Many on the left believe Trump's campaign is toast - they believe every word of this crap and consequently cannot conceive of him winning in 2020.

If he does their past behavior is gonna look controlled & refined by comparison to how they're gonna react.

Their state of delusion is biblical.   They only see and believe what their partisan hatred allows them to see and believe... ie what they want to believe.   For instance, they're too deluded and blind to discern that the further hard-left (socialist) their candidates and leaders go, the further right voters will go, in defense of American values.   Thinking Americans can look at how the people in Venezuela are now suffering due to the end result of communism, socialism's ultimate end.  Thinking Americans have seen how traitorous and diabolical the Democrats are and how far they will go to regain power.  So thinking Americans will vote accordingly.  They will crawl over broken glass to vote against all of these things promised by the radical left Democrats (higher taxes, more illegals and more freebies for more illegals, government run health care, gun confiscation, back to Obama-era stagnation).   Ergo, when Trump wins next November, their shrieks of "rigged" will resound yet again.   

Confession:   On election day next year, after the past three plus years of having to witness their ongoing assaults on America, on patriotic Americans and on Trump, Democrat lies, media fake news and ongoing BS....I have to admit... their shocked, ugly faces and their tears will be schadenfreude.   I am so looking forward to it.    happy77

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It should be pretty clear even to the dimmest bulb by now that this is all a political strategy coordinated between the rats and the MSM.

Hilariously, it doesn't seem to be working.

That absolutely would not have been the case were we talking about President [name of any one of Trump’s 2016 republican primary challengers].

No other president could have taken the barrage of lies that Donald Trump has withstood and still gotten big things done as he has. The guy’s a political phenomenon. The media and democrats still can’t figure out how to handle the special case of Donald Trump and probably never will.

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That absolutely would not have been the case were we talking about President [name of any one of Trump’s 2016 republican primary challengers].

No other president could have taken the barrage of lies that Donald Trump has withstood and still gotten big things done as he has. The guy’s a political phenomenon. The media and democrats still can’t figure out how to handle the special case of Donald Trump and probably never will.

I hope others on our side are taking notes.

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And just think.... election day is over a year from now, so how many more "fake outrages" and obscure "bombshell accusations" are these idiots on the left going to dredge up and create out of thin air between now and then?   Their "taint" campaign will be ongoing.  It's how they roll.

The more they employ this tactic, the more normal Americans recognize it for what it is and respond as they see appropriate.
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My trust of the media these days is thus; If they produce a story that says the grass is green and the sky is blue I go outside and check.

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Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.