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Offline skeeter

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REALLY. Sanford is caught in ONE indiscretion, and your guy has lived as a cretin his whole life. It doesn't even come close to comparison.

And btw, that indiscretion is the only reason why I said I don't know if I would vote for him yet. It shows a lack of integrity that gives me pause, just like it did wrt Tump.

So your accusation of hypocrisy does not have legs.
 

I see how it is.

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I see how it is.

Lol!   But, but, but....

that's different!    :whistle:
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Lol!   But, but, but....

that's different!    :whistle:
Much of the opposition to Trump comes from nothing more than a simple visceral dislike of the man and his personality. In spite of all the rhetoric.

Which I shared but since I like much of what he's doing as president he's grown on me.

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Much of the opposition to Trump comes from nothing more than a simple visceral dislike of the man and his personality. In spite of all the rhetoric.

Which I shared but since I like much of what he's doing as president he's grown on me.

I know.   I'm not crazy about his personality and/or his past either (remember, I voted Constitution Party).  But... and that's a huge, continually morphing and increasing "but"....

when I weigh the alternative to Trump and the consequences of Trump not beating the RL Marxists next year...

there is literally "no contest" and no question as to how I will vote.


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Much of the opposition to Trump comes from nothing more than a simple visceral dislike of the man and his personality. In spite of all the rhetoric.

Which I shared but since I like much of what he's doing as president he's grown on me.

Nah... My dislike of the man is incidental. What I jeer at is his performance... Which not so incidentally coincides with his lack of integrity.

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PS: Wrestling is a phony big show too.

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PS: Wrestling is a phony big show too.

   And the WWF has enshrined Trump into their Hall of Fame.......That should have been our first clue.
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   And the WWF has enshrined Trump into their Hall of Fame.......That should have been our first clue.

My first clue was his insipid book back in the 80s - Though one could chalk that up as the foolishness of youth... If anything had changed...  :whistle:

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So all that talk about morals was so much bullsquat. LOL

What's appealing to me about Sanford is demonstrated commitment to fiscal conservatism and other conservative priorities as evidenced by a lifetime ACU rating of 92 percent.

As for "morals", the man had an extramarital affair, as compared to Trump who had multiple affairs and is on his third marriage.   How the hell can a Trump supporter claim with a straight face that  Sanford's morals are disqualifying??   
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   And the WWF has enshrined Trump into their Hall of Fame.......That should have been our first clue.

Ever since he took on Stone Cold Steve Austin I've recognized the greatness in the man.

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What's appealing to me about Sanford is demonstrated commitment to fiscal conservatism and other conservative priorities as evidenced by a lifetime ACU rating of 92 percent.

As for "morals", the man had an extramarital affair, as compared to Trump who had multiple affairs and is on his third marriage.   How the hell can a Trump supporter claim with a straight face that  Sanford's morals are disqualifying??

'Scuse, who said that?

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there is literally "no contest" and no question as to how I will vote.

Yeah. Me too.

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Yeah. Me too.

You really don't wanna go there again....

do ya?   lololol
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You really don't wanna go there again....

do ya?   lololol

Whadda ya mean? I been goin there for years...

 :tongue2: :beer:

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Whadda ya mean? I been goin there for years...

 :tongue2: :beer:

Why stop now?    :silly:

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As for "morals", the man had an extramarital affair, as compared to Trump who had multiple affairs and is on his third marriage.   How the hell can a Trump supporter claim with a straight face that  Sanford's morals are disqualifying??
@Jazzhead
Probably because President Tweety implies it with as straight a face as he can muster: Can you believe it? I’m at 94% approval in the Republican Party, and have Three Stooges running against me. One is “Mr. Appalachian Trail” who was actually in Argentina for bad reasons....

Aside from the point that the country just might be better off if governed by the real Three Stooges, that tweet was cited in a Reason article whose author, Eric Boehm, also wrote this:

In the age of Trump, adultery is hardly political suicide anymore. But is there room in the Republican party for a fiscal conservative who opposes bailouts, loves Atlas Shrugged, and disdains political tribalism?

Probably not. When Sanford was defeated by a Trump-backed primary challenger in June 2018, the president openly celebrated the then-congressman's second political demise with a

tweet suggesting Sanford "would be better off in Argentina."

That the thrice-married Trump, who has had at least one extra-marital affair with a porn star, has shown no reservations about attacking Sanford for his own infidelities provides a pretty good illustration of the current state of the GOP's collective moral compass.

That Sanford is likely heading for an electoral pasting—one that he will receive while trying to talk substantively about the importance of the debt crisis facing America, while the current figurehead of the Republican Party

retweets memes—provides an equally useful illustration about the health of his party.

Personally, I know of only one individual in today's American political [lack of] class who qualifies as genuinely presidential material---and it doesn't really look [rumours to one side] like he's thinking about running. [Yet.] But a man about whom the following is said (also in Reason):

In choosing principle over party, [he] has become the spokesman for all Americans who believe in limited government. Since taking office in 2011, Amash has been an outspoken critic of out-of-control government spending, state surveillance, and unauthorized wars . . . he's primarily motivated by the belief that Congress is no longer doing its job of writing laws that the Executive branch implements.

. . . is far more presidential material than any of the creatures pondering the office, incumbent and challengers alike.

And the gentleman himself has written, recently:

True to [George] Washington’s fears, Americans have allowed government officials, under assertions of expediency and party unity, to ignore the most basic tenets of our constitutional order: separation of powers, federalism and the rule of law. The result has been the consolidation of political power and the near disintegration of representative democracy.

These are consequences of a mind-set among the political class that loyalty to party is more important than serving the American people or protecting our governing institutions. The parties value winning for its own sake, and at whatever cost. Instead of acting as an independent branch of government and serving as a check on the executive branch, congressional leaders of both parties expect the House and Senate to act in obedience or opposition to the president and their colleagues on a partisan basis.

In this hyperpartisan environment, congressional leaders use every tool to compel party members to stick with the team, dangling chairmanships, committee assignments, bill sponsorships, endorsements and campaign resources. As donors recognize the growing power of party leaders, they supply these officials with ever-increasing funds, which, in turn, further tightens their grip on power.

The founders envisioned Congress as a deliberative body in which outcomes are discovered. We are fast approaching the point, however, where Congress exists as little more than a formality to legitimize outcomes dictated by the president, the speaker of the House and the Senate majority leader . . .

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WhatamIgonna do with these old stickers?
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GOPBR 2020 Kasich

GOPBR 2020 Haley

At least with McMuffin or Flake you get the Mormon votes.

With Amash you get the Arab votes.

With Sanford you just get the Argentinian voters  AND the "one indiscretion" voters.
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'Scuse, who said that?

You did.  Post #22.   Or at least it sure as heck reads that way to me. 
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You did.  Post #22.   Or at least it sure as heck reads that way to me.

Your reading comprehension needs work. If Sanford were running in 2016 I would’ve considered him. Not today and it has nothing to do with him running off with that chippy.

It’s not unreasonable to question his motives for running against Trump in 2019, poor personal judgement he may have shown in the past aside.

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Your reading comprehension needs work. If Sanford were running in 2016 I would’ve considered him. Not today and it has nothing to do with him running off with that chippy.

It’s not unreasonable to question his motives for running against Trump in 2019, poor personal judgement he may have shown in the past aside.

Why is that? Many Conservatives have motive to overturn Tump, and rightly so.

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Why is that? Many Conservatives have motive to overturn Tump, and rightly so.

Because no one is taking the nomination away from Trump at this point. And everyone, including Sanford, knows it.

But I guess its an opportunity for some fawning press coverage he wouldn't ordinarily enjoy.

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Because no one is taking the nomination away from Trump at this point. And everyone, including Sanford, knows it.

But I guess its an opportunity for some fawning press coverage he wouldn't ordinarily enjoy.

I don't think that is true at all. My whole circle IRL is avidly Conservative, and like last time, ain't a one going to vote for Tump. Whether you like it or not, that is indicative of a divided base, at least in Conservative and Christian circles.

I still ain't seen a MAGA hat, or a Tump bumper sticker, though I will admit, I have quit looking... Still see an occasional Cruz hat even now... This is deep Conservative territory, and you would think I would have seen a bunch of em by now. Nope.

So I think you misread Sanford even as you have tended to misread me.