Sanford announces challenge to Trump

[WhatWouldReaganDo]

When Mike Lee is spit upon in a Conservative forum something is damn well wrong.
The Turtle and Gramnesty are heroes, and Roy Moore is a POS.
Conservatives are getting mowed over by the GOP and the Tump administration, and people cheer.
A republican president on the fast track to spend more money that in all of history (AGAIN) and it is brushed aside.

I don't know whatever you call it, But it sure as hell ain't Conservatism.

[Jazzhead]

Screw that.  Vote for the genuine article, vote Dem.  Hasten the collapse and get it over with.

This discussion is silly.  Politics is the art of the possible.   Of course the GOP's and the Democrats' differences on policy are substantial, and perhaps greater than at any point in my lifetime.    The goal can and must be to defeat the Dems - even if we are not as "conservative" as some would like,  the Dems are touting socialism, open borders and race war.   

[roamer_1]

It doesn't matter.  We can't stop the crash, only slow it down, so I say bring it.  Faster please.

I give up on trying anymore.

Like I said, Conservatism is the only fix. And always has been.
I will try till I die for those principle things.

And outside of them, you are right. Might as well let it come while we still have arms. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Like I said, Conservatism is the only fix. And always has been.
I will try till I die for those principle things.

And outside of them, you are right. Might as well let it come while we still have arms. 

Exactly.  May as well vote Dem.  Just let it burn.

[Cyber Liberty]

This discussion is silly.  Politics is the art of the possible.   Of course the GOP's and the Democrats' differences on policy are substantial, and perhaps greater than at any point in my lifetime.    The goal can and must be to defeat the Dems - even if we are not as "conservative" as some would like,  the Dems are touting socialism, open borders and race war.

Too late.  You, above most others, have convinced me.  If the best we can do is a Governor who told his whole state to shove it up it's collective ass to go on a trip out of the country for a tryst, then we're finished.  Done.

I give up.  Vote Democrat and hasten the collapse, it's the only way.  I hope I get a raving lo=unatic to vote for, and do it up right.

[Jazzhead]

Too late.  You, above most others, have convinced me.  If the best we can do is a Governor who told his whole state to shove it up it's collective ass to go on a trip out of the country for a tryst, then we're finished.  Done.

I give up.  Vote Democrat and hasten the collapse, it's the only way.  I hope I get a raving lo=unatic to vote for, and do it up right.

Sanford has a lifetime ACU rating of 92,  and has a demonstrated record as a deficit hawk.   Stop with the histrionics and put on your big boy pants.   Support a conservative in the primary and see how things go.    in the poll that @Maj. Bill Martin cited,  44 percent of GOP voters now want to see Trump primaried.   He is not inevitable.  Sanford is my choice, because I choose to fight.  What's yours? 

[TomSea]

Trump allowed the military to do their job and beat back ISIS. ISIS is like the Nazis, brave young men and women from Western countries have gone to fight and sometimes die alongside the Kurds in defeating this great evil. Trump deserves all the credit in the world for getting in on this.  Mattis deserves a lot of credit, they all deserve some credit.

Bush and Obama were custodians of that Iraq conflict, withdrawal and so on, Obama especially for the rise of ISIS.

I've said this a million times, ISIS could still be around strong, Caliphate operating, maybe it would have taken longer under others if it would have occurred at all, that they'd be stopped, a real terror.

And some one is asking about what's permanent and calling Trump names.   Their way would have ISIS still committing crimes and indeed, doing their terror acts more against the war.

My reason, vote paid off handsomely.  Save Christians too, it's not perfect but it's pretty good. I don't need anymore reasons after that.

We need now, to stay the course and see this out.

[Cyber Liberty]

Sanford has a lifetime ACU rating of 92,  and has a demonstrated record as a deficit hawk.   Stop with the histrionics and put on your big boy pants.   Support a conservative in the primary and see how things go.    in the poll that @Maj. Bill Martin cited,  44 percent of GOP voters now want to see Trump primaried.   He is not inevitable.  Sanford is my choice, because I choose to fight.  What's yours?

I told you what's wrong with Sanford, and you are unmoved by somebody who would do what he did.  Fine, just don't claim your view is a moral one, because it's everything but.

No, y'all have convinced me that Trump, the only Army we have, is rotten so I've decided to root for the collapse.  I'll cut out the nonsense and do what I can to make that happen, and vote for a Democrat next November.  The loonier, the better.

[Sanguine]

Too late.  You, above most others, have convinced me.  If the best we can do is a Governor who told his whole state to shove it up it's collective ass to go on a trip out of the country for a tryst, then we're finished.  Done.

I give up.  Vote Democrat and hasten the collapse, it's the only way.  I hope I get a raving lo=unatic to vote for, and do it up right.

I'm with you on this, @Cyber Liberty.  None of these "oh, the horrors of Trump" have a plan other than to resist Trump other than three half-baked has-beens trying to primary him. And, they don't really seem to support the has-beens as much as they reject Trump.  You're right.  Burn it down.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm with you on this, @Cyber Liberty.  None of these "oh, the horrors of Trump" have a plan other than to resist Trump other than three half-baked has-beens trying to primary him. And, they don't really seem to support the has-beens as much as they reject Trump.  You're right.  Burn it down.

  at the Castle.  It's more of a Citadel, and we're going to need one.  You bring the marshmallows, I'll bring the chocolate so all we need is graham crackers and wienies.

[XenaLee]

at the Castle.  It's more of a Citadel, and we're going to need one.  You bring the marshmallows, I'll bring the chocolate so all we need is graham crackers and wienies.

Maybe you could get some of the crackers and wienies around here to show up.   

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Sanford has a lifetime ACU rating of 92,  and has a demonstrated record as a deficit hawk.   Stop with the histrionics and put on your big boy pants.

I don't think it really qualifies as histrionics to consider whether Sanford's very well publicized indiscretions make him electable at all.  After all, part of the argument for supporting challengers to Trump is that's he's supposedly unelectable.

The only two guys that have stepped forward to challenge Trump are a pair of failed politicians who lost their last race, were in the political desert, and so have nothing to lose.  Both are scandal-ridden -- Walsh has those godawful tweets, and Sanford has the Appalachian Trail.  There's also Weld -- a 74 year old non-Republican who hasn't held office for more than two decades.  In other words, another guy without a political career to worry about.

Point is, I don't think its a coincidence that only out of work pols with nothing to lose politically have declared against Trump.  That's because the politicians who do have active and/or promising future political careers know that turning on Trump will alienate a massive amount of their own support.  They'd not only very likely lose in the primaries, but they'd see a backlash from the solid plurality of hardcore Trump supporters in the GOP.  But these guys...it's not about winning because they know they won't/can't.  Charitably, it's about them making a public statement of opposition to Trump -- though I personally think we have plenty of that from Dems already.  Otherwise, it's simply about them trying to get on the talk show or lecture circuit, and grab a bit of the spotlight that has passed them by.

Those pols smart enough not to do the stupid kind of career-ending crap that Walsh and Sanford did know that the smart play is simply to wait Trump out, and pursue the 2024 nomination instead.  A 2020 primary challenge to Trump is simply tilting at windmills.

[Cyber Liberty]

Maybe you could get some of the crackers and wienies around here to show up.   

I'll accept as many as I can.  Bring more weapons and lots of ammo....

[Sanguine]

I'll accept as many as I can.  Bring more weapons and lots of ammo....

@XenaLee, I'll swing by and pick you up on the way.   

[XenaLee]

I'll accept as many as I can.  Bring more weapons and lots of ammo....

Can I bring my friend from Houston who's an expert shot and has a mini-arsenal...lol?

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee, I'll swing by and pick you up on the way.

Okey dokey.

[Cyber Liberty]

Can I bring my friend from Houston who's an expert shot and has a mini-arsenal...lol?

The sort of hardware we'll need.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

Stop with the histrionics and put on your big boy pants.       

You should consider taking your own advice.

[Cyber Liberty]

You should consider taking your own advice.

Polemics never do.

[XenaLee]

The sort of hardware we'll need.   

So... you're ok with bump stocks on AR-15s with night vision scope then......lol.  Yeah....

the kind we'll need.

[Cyber Liberty]

So... you're ok with bump stocks on AR-15s with night vision scope then......lol.  Yeah....

the kind we'll need.

Perfect!  We don't need a lot of range, like with 30-06, but small arms would be prefect.  It's all downhill, which is why it's a nice Citadel.

[XenaLee]

Perfect!  We don't need a lot of range, like with 30-06, but small arms would be prefect.  It's all downhill, which is why it's a nice Citadel.

Defendable.

[Cyber Liberty]

Defendable.

Downside:  Hauling the trash down to the street is a real PITA.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

By the way, there is a major difference between what the Dems did with LBJ, and the feasibility of repeating that with Trump.

By 1968, LBJ had lost any semblance of a dedicated constituency in either party.  He'd alienated the left with Vietnam, and alienated much of the South with the Civil Rights Act.  There was really no downside to forcing him out because he didn't have a loyal constituency within the Democrat Party that would carry a grudge against the Democrats into November.

In contrast, Trump retains a large block of very hardcore support.  It may be only a plurality rather than a majority within the GOP, but it absolutely is there.  It certainly is large enough to kneecap the entire GOP if it is alienated by party efforts to get rid of Trump himself.

[Cyber Liberty]

By the way, there is a major difference between what the Dems did with LBJ, and the feasibility of repeating that with Trump.

By 1968, LBJ had lost any semblance of a dedicated constituency in either party.  He'd alienated the left with Vietnam, and alienated much of the South with the Civil Rights Act.  There was really no downside to forcing him out because he didn't have a loyal constituency that would carry a grudge against the Democrat Party into November.

In contrast, Trump retains a large block of very hardcore support.  It may be only a plurality rather than a majority within the GOP, but it absolutely is there.  It certainly is large enough to kneecap the entire GOP if it is alienated by party efforts to get rid of Trump himself.

I'm told Trump has lost all the support of people who never voted for him...not sure what that even means.