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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2019, 05:44:45 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 05, 2019, 05:42:22 pm
The flat refusal to cede a point, no matter how well argued obvious or rational - time after time after time - in favor of mindlessly reading from the same damn script is a dead giveaway.

Exactly!
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2019, 05:45:37 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 05:39:15 pm
I am not in favor of "assault weapon" bans.   I am in favor of licensure, registration and insurance for firearms generally, "assault" or otherwise.     

That is a lie. Pure and simple. Your own words here over several threads on this issue prove that.

Even what you just said you’re in favor of disproves your feigned aversion to an all out ban.

 
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2019, 05:49:57 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 05:40:18 pm
It's a term that can only be defined by politicians.

That doesn’t bother you?

So you want to regulate register and force people to insure something that you yourself can’t define?

Seriously?

And you wonder why people won’t comply with your gun grabbing schemes.  **nononono*
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2019, 05:57:01 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 05:40:18 pm
It's a term that can only be defined by politicians.

One of your better dodges. 

And thanks for listing your "reasonable regulations" a couple posts up.  That's what I was talking about before.  Your definition of "reasonable" runs waaaay out of bounds.  It's been explained to you countless times your "reasonable" has led to unreasonable confiscation every time it's been tried, and you ignore it like it was never said. 

There exist walls that listen better than you do on this subject.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2019, 05:59:43 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 05, 2019, 05:42:22 pm

The flat refusal to cede a point, no matter how well argued obvious or rational - time after time after time - in favor of mindlessly reading from the same damn script is a dead giveaway.

Bears repeating, in larger font so King George can read it without his spectacles.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2019, 06:21:52 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 05, 2019, 05:45:37 pm
That is a lie. Pure and simple. Your own words here over several threads on this issue prove that.

Even what you just said you’re in favor of disproves your feigned aversion to an all out ban.

You, sir, are the liar.   Please point out any statement I've made in support of an assault weapons ban.   To the contrary, I've stated on several occasions my opposition to such bans.   

I support licensure, registration and insurance, just as with cars.  And, just as with cars,  I could care less how many guns you own, or what type, so long as you register and insure them.   
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2019, 06:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 05:57:01 pm

One of your better dodges.

 It's been explained to you countless times your "reasonable" has led to unreasonable confiscation every time it's been tried, and you ignore it like it was never said. 

Examples of confiscation outside the United States have no relevance where (at least for now), the individual RKBA is secured by the Constitution.   

Yes,  I tend to ignore or dismiss slippery slope arguments.   That's because such arguments are dodges.     
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2019, 06:31:50 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 05:57:01 pm
One of your better dodges. 

And thanks for listing your "reasonable regulations" a couple posts up.  That's what I was talking about before.  Your definition of "reasonable" runs waaaay out of bounds.  It's been explained to you countless times your "reasonable" has led to unreasonable confiscation every time it's been tried, and you ignore it like it was never said. 

There exist walls that listen better than you do on this subject.

Chris Hahn was on Carlson's show last night promoting firearms insurance. He obviously thought suggesting it is a clever way to make legal gun owners look unreasonable but in doing so he basically admitted requiring insurance has not a damn thing to do with stopping gun violence. Incidentally it would also give the grabbers another handy way to use the courts to further harass gun owners.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2019, 06:35:38 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:25:00 pm
Examples of confiscation outside the United States have no relevance where (at least for now), the individual RKBA is secured by the Constitution.   

Yes,  I tend to ignore or dismiss slippery slope arguments.   That's because such arguments are dodges.   

The only reason registration and licensure lead to confiscation in all those other countries is because the right people haven't tried it yet.  Got it. *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2019, 06:37:10 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:25:00 pm
Examples of confiscation outside the United States have no relevance where (at least for now), the individual RKBA is secured by the Constitution.   

Yes,  I tend to ignore or dismiss slippery slope arguments.   That's because such arguments are dodges.   

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.  You should take that saying to heart.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2019, 06:40:08 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:21:52 pm
You, sir, are the liar.   Please point out any statement I've made in support of an assault weapons ban.   To the contrary, I've stated on several occasions my opposition to such bans.   

Ok.  Here ya go.

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I am in favor of licensure, registration and insurance for firearms generally, "assault" or otherwise.

Everything you advocate for leads to a ban on weapons and a severe restriction on the 2nd Amendment.

Everything in your quoted statement opens the door for the Government to do one thing...ban weapons outright and confiscate the ones they think they can get away with taking.



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I support licensure, registration and insurance, just as with cars.  And, just as with cars,  I could care less how many guns you own, or what type, so long as you register and insure them.

There's not a Constitutional right to own or drive a car.  There is that for owning firearms.

And has been pointed out to you as well...you don't have to insure or register a car if you never drive it on a government owned road.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2019, 06:41:05 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 05, 2019, 06:31:50 pm
Chris Hahn was on Carlson's show last night promoting firearms insurance. He obviously thought suggesting it is a clever way to make legal gun owners look unreasonable but in doing so he basically admitted requiring insurance has not a damn thing to do with stopping gun violence.

No, it's about registration without using the word, and limiting gun ownership to only those wealthy enough to pay for it.  And why register?  To confiscate later.  Calling it a "slippery slope" fantasy is being willfully ignorant of history and human nature.  Leftists are really big on ignoring history and human nature.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2019, 06:49:32 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 06:41:05 pm
No, it's about registration without using the word, and limiting gun ownership to only those wealthy enough to pay for it.  And why register?  To confiscate later.  Calling it a "slippery slope" fantasy is being willfully ignorant of history and human nature.  Leftists are really big on ignoring history and human nature.

I'm less inclined to write-off their proclivities to ignorance these days.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2019, 06:51:46 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 05, 2019, 06:49:32 pm
I'm less inclined to write-off their proclivities to ignorance these days.

You have a point.  I just try to stick to Hanlon's Razor, and these fools make that pretty damned difficult.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2019, 06:57:55 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on September 05, 2019, 06:31:50 pm
Chris Hahn was on Carlson's show last night promoting firearms insurance. He obviously thought suggesting it is a clever way to make legal gun owners look unreasonable but in doing so he basically admitted requiring insurance has not a damn thing to do with stopping gun violence.

Insurance is not intended to stop gun violence, any more than auto insurance is intended to stop auto accidents.   Rather, it is intended to provide a source of compensation for the victims of gun violence.   It has the ancillary benefit of making sure gun owners keep track of their guns, and report firearms thefts.   
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2019, 07:01:42 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 06:41:05 pm
No, it's about registration without using the word, and limiting gun ownership to only those wealthy enough to pay for it.  And why register?  To confiscate later.  Calling it a "slippery slope" fantasy is being willfully ignorant of history and human nature.  Leftists are really big on ignoring history and human nature.

Yes, in the context of a right secured (at least for now) by the Constitution,  your "registration equals confiscation" trope is slippery-slope fantasy and suggests paranoia concerning the motivations of your fellow citizens.   
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2019, 07:05:01 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:57:55 pm
Insurance is not intended to stop gun violence, any more than auto insurance is intended to stop auto accidents.   Rather, it is intended to provide a source of compensation for the victims of gun violence.   It has the ancillary benefit of making sure gun owners keep track of their guns, and report firearms thefts.

And how exactly to you intend to collect compensation from criminals who don't get their illegally purchased weapons insured?
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2019, 07:05:36 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 07:01:42 pm
Yes, in the context of a right secured (at least for now) by the Constitution,  your "registration equals confiscation" trope is slippery-slope fantasy and suggests paranoia concerning the motivations of your fellow citizens.

You go right on saying that.  You are only proving what we're saying about your arguments.  Santayana is pleased.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2019, 07:06:41 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 05, 2019, 07:05:01 pm
And how exactly to you intend to collect compensation from criminals who don't get their illegally purchased weapons insured?

Think of Willie Sutton's famous line about why he robbed banks. :silly:
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2019, 07:11:17 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:57:55 pm
Insurance is not intended to stop gun violence, any more than auto insurance is intended to stop auto accidents.   Rather, it is intended to provide a source of compensation for the victims of gun violence.   It has the ancillary benefit of making sure gun owners keep track of their guns, and report firearms thefts.

Law-abiding people already have plenty incentive to keep track of their weapons and report any stolen.  If your weapon is stolen and used in a crime, you can potentially be held liable, and our guns are already insured by our homeowners insurance, so that if they get stolen we would want to report that and recover the cost.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2019, 07:11:44 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on September 05, 2019, 07:05:01 pm
And how exactly to you intend to collect compensation from criminals who don't get their illegally purchased weapons insured?

Requiring insurance for firearms from legal owners is another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. An answer to a question that hasn't been asked.

The left does this alot. Enough to make the dimmest bulb wonder what they're really up to.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2019, 07:52:41 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 06:57:55 pm
Insurance is not intended to stop gun violence, any more than auto insurance is intended to stop auto accidents.   Rather, it is intended to provide a source of compensation for the victims of gun violence.   It has the ancillary benefit of making sure gun owners keep track of their guns, and report firearms thefts.

I think that you and Chris Hahn (the self titled "Aggressive Progressive") are on to sometime here.....  I can see very easily that the gang bangers, street criminals, and drugged up "mass shooters" are ALL going to make sure that there insurance premiums are all paid up in advance before even thinking of firing a shot.....

That sounds like a plan!!

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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #72 on: September 06, 2019, 11:15:53 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 06:35:38 pm
The only reason registration and licensure lead to confiscation in all those other countries is because the right people haven't tried it yet.  Got it. *****rollingeyes*****
Hey that is the same argument used to rationalize / justify communism and socialism.   I see what you did there.... I wonder of the dipstick will get it... probably not.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #73 on: September 06, 2019, 05:59:34 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 05, 2019, 05:57:01 pm
One of your better dodges. 

And thanks for listing your "reasonable regulations" a couple posts up.  That's what I was talking about before.  Your definition of "reasonable" runs waaaay out of bounds.  It's been explained to you countless times your "reasonable" has led to unreasonable confiscation every time it's been tried, and you ignore it like it was never said. 

There exist walls that listen better than you do on this subject.

Years of practice.
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Re: MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition
« Reply #74 on: September 06, 2019, 06:02:22 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on September 05, 2019, 05:40:18 pm
It's a term that can only be defined by politicians.

So, by your reasoning politicians could define my pocket knife with a 2" blade as an "Assault Weapon" and it magically becomes an assault weapon? :silly:
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