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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2019, 02:34:24 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 02:20:07 pm
We are just as screwed as a country if a Milquetoast Republican is elected who can't stand up to the rats in Congress, and any who would stand up to them will be just as tarred and feathered as Trump. The candidate you think would be great simply does not exist.

Right.  If I could get someone with the right ideas, the ability to rally Trump's supporters, and something like Sarh Huckabee Sanders ability to fight back hard without offending moderates, it would be great.  I just don't know who that is

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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2019, 02:46:33 pm »
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on August 30, 2019, 02:34:24 pm
Right.  If I could get someone with the right ideas, the ability to rally Trump's supporters, and something like Sarh Huckabee Sanders ability to fight back hard without offending moderates, it would be great.  I just don't know who that is

If Donald Trump has a successful 2-term Presidency, more like him will follow the newly-proven path.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2019, 03:04:33 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 02:46:33 pm
If Donald Trump has a successful 2-term Presidency, more like him will follow the newly-proven path.

Except that.... other than perhaps Pence, there are no more "like him" willing to follow that newly-proven path that I am aware of.   Can you name someone that would fit that criteria?
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2019, 03:16:10 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:04:33 pm
Except that.... other than perhaps Pence, there are no more "like him" willing to follow that newly-proven path that I am aware of.   Can you name someone that would fit that criteria?

Daniel Crenshaw, to name one.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2019, 03:23:54 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 03:16:10 pm
Daniel Crenshaw, to name one.


:yowsa: and you know about him because he is in the public eye already.  Believe me when I tell you that there are MANY more like him out there.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2019, 03:38:19 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 03:16:10 pm
Daniel Crenshaw, to name one.

Ok, thanks.

Has Crenshaw expressed interest in running for president.   Because... if not, then we're back to square one.   And who, in their 'right' mind, would want that job in this toxic political environment.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #56 on: August 30, 2019, 03:38:58 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 30, 2019, 03:23:54 pm


:yowsa: and you know about him because he is in the public eye already.  Believe me when I tell you that there are MANY more like him out there.

Please name them for those of us that are unaware of their existence.   :laugh:
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2019, 03:44:58 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:38:58 pm
Please name them for those of us that are unaware of their existence.   :laugh:

I can't name them but that does not mean they are not out there.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2019, 03:47:07 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 30, 2019, 03:44:58 pm
I can't name them but that does not mean they are not out there.

Ok.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2019, 03:50:35 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:38:19 pm
Ok, thanks.

Has Crenshaw expressed interest in running for president.   Because... if not, then we're back to square one.   And who, in their 'right' mind, would want that job in this toxic political environment.

Crenshaw is not ripe yet.  As @Bigun says, there are others who will appear once that trail is blazed.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2019, 03:58:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 03:50:35 pm
Crenshaw is not ripe yet.  As @Bigun says, there are others who will appear once that trail is blazed.

So we're talking approx. five years from now, right?  If you know of any others that are promising, let me know so I'll have them on my radar.  A lot (an awful lot) can happen between now and "then", however.  I'm reminded of other "rising stars" I had on my watchlist that fell by the wayside of DC corruption and attacks from the left.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2019, 04:06:50 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:58:53 pm
So we're talking approx. five years from now, right?  If you know of any others that are promising, let me know so I'll have them on my radar.  A lot (an awful lot) can happen between now and "then", however.  I'm reminded of other "rising stars" I had on my watchlist that fell by the wayside of DC corruption and attacks from the left.

And therein lies "the problem."  If any raise their heads above the trench they get it shot off.  A successful Trump presidency (not yet a sure thing, Trump being Trump) will encourage more head lifting, and they'll present themselves.  It'll take a few years, so patience.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2019, 04:08:46 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 04:06:50 pm
And therein lies "the problem."  If any raise their heads above the trench they get it shot off.  A successful Trump presidency (not yet a sure thing, Trump being Trump) will encourage more head lifting, and they'll present themselves.  It'll take a few years, so patience.

Alas.... I don't score high when it comes to patience (think: antsy Pandora).
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2019, 04:11:22 pm »
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Alas.... I don't score high when it comes to patience (think: antsy Pandora).



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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2019, 04:19:21 pm »
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2019, 04:22:05 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:04:33 pm
Except that.... other than perhaps Pence, there are no more "like him" willing to follow that newly-proven path that I am aware of.   Can you name someone that would fit that criteria?

Especially if Trump loses but even if not,  there will be a reckoning within the GOP between the populists and the conservatives.  If he loses,  it may signal a resurgence for limited-government conservatism,  since the Dems intend to take the exact opposite direction and expand the State to unprecedented proportions.   There will be a reaction . . .
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2019, 04:29:38 pm »
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Especially if Trump loses but even if not,  there will be a reckoning within the GOP between the populists and the conservatives.  If he loses,  it may signal a resurgence for limited-government conservatism,  since the Dems intend to take the exact opposite direction and expand the State to unprecedented proportions.   There will be a reaction . . .

Oh, if Trump loses next year, all of this is moot.   The RL will double down on leftism and total control of the populace, especially of those of us on 'the right' side.  Bank on it.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2019, 04:37:12 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 04:06:50 pm
And therein lies "the problem."  If any raise their heads above the trench they get it shot off.  A successful Trump presidency (not yet a sure thing, Trump being Trump) will encourage more head lifting, and they'll present themselves.  It'll take a few years, so patience.

Was thinking about this the other day....guys like former Oklahoma Senator J.C. Watts, for example.

We need dashing African American who can speak clearly, concisely but BLUNTLY.  ...Sharp crease in his/her slacks.

My composite would be of Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump, Rush Limbaugh and Candace Owens, who will be 35 years old in 2024   happy77
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2019, 04:42:52 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on August 30, 2019, 04:22:05 pm
Especially if Trump loses but even if not,  there will be a reckoning within the GOP between the populists and the conservatives.  If he loses,  it may signal a resurgence for limited-government conservatism,  since the Dems intend to take the exact opposite direction and expand the State to unprecedented proportions.   There will be a reaction . . .

There will be a reaction, alright.  The Stupid Party will, on queue, learn the wrong lesson and will never produce another fighter.  You, and others demanding a Milquetoast, will congratulate yourselves while the Nation collapses under the socialist boot.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2019, 04:47:58 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 03:58:53 pm
So we're talking approx. five years from now, right?  If you know of any others that are promising, let me know so I'll have them on my radar.  A lot (an awful lot) can happen between now and "then", however.  I'm reminded of other "rising stars" I had on my watchlist that fell by the wayside of DC corruption and attacks from the left.

I would offer this tip only.  The emerging person who draws the most fire from establishment types, don't care which party, may well be what we are looking for. 
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2019, 04:48:30 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 30, 2019, 04:42:52 pm
There will be a reaction, alright.  The Stupid Party will, on queue, learn the wrong lesson and will never produce another fighter.  You, and others demanding a Milquetoast, will congratulate yourselves while the Nation collapses under the socialist boot.

Exactly right.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2019, 04:49:16 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 30, 2019, 04:47:58 pm
I would offer this tip only.  The emerging person who draws the most fire from establishment types, don't care which party, may well be what we are looking for.

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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2019, 04:51:10 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 30, 2019, 04:47:58 pm
I would offer this tip only.  The emerging person who draws the most fire from establishment types, don't care which party, may well be what we are looking for.

Yes, the (as usual) one that worries them the most re: opposition.  Whoever it is will have to be a "pro-constitution fighter" like Trump.   I'm just not that hopeful that there are any such critters in DC.  DC has become very toxic to anyone that adheres to our traditions and values.   :shrug:
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2019, 04:57:44 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on August 30, 2019, 04:51:10 pm
Yes, the (as usual) one that worries them the most re: opposition.  Whoever it is will have to be a "pro-constitution fighter" like Trump.   I'm just not that hopeful that there are any such critters in DC.  DC has become very toxic to anyone that adheres to our traditions and values.   :shrug:

Right!  Exactly so!  Roy Moore is NOT in DC and they are damned determined to make sure he never is.  There is a REASON for that.
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Re: Kasich: I don't see a path to beat Trump right now
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2019, 05:14:34 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 30, 2019, 04:57:44 pm
Right!  Exactly so!  Roy Moore is NOT in DC and they are damned determined to make sure he never is.  There is a REASON for that.

A reason not dissimilar from the argument being put before us on TBR that neither Trump nor Moore should be in DeeCee.
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