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Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again
« on: August 24, 2019, 02:47:20 pm »
Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again

Most speech, hateful or not, is protected by the Constitution. To pretend otherwise is foolhardy.

Aug 22, 2019
Ken White
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America is awash in ugly, hateful speech. White nationalists march defiantly, and their slogans are echoed in murderous rampages. Government officials revel in disparaging the very people they patrol. Many people—and I’m one of them—argue that the president’s rhetoric encourages this grotesque and shameful state of affairs even as he nominally condemns it. This has all led to more discussion about free speech and its limits.

What speech should be protected by the First Amendment is open to debate. Americans can, and should, argue about what the law ought to be. That’s what free people do. But while we’re all entitled to our own opinions, we’re not entitled to our own facts, even in 2019. In fact, the First Amendment is broad, robust, aggressively and consistently protected by the Supreme Court, and not subject to the many exceptions and qualifications that commentators seek to graft upon it. The majority of contemptible, bigoted speech is protected.   

If you’ve read op-eds about free speech in America, or listened to talking heads on the news, you’ve almost certainly encountered empty, misleading, or simply false tropes about the First Amendment. Those tired tropes are barriers to serious discussions about free speech. Any useful discussion of what the law should be must be informed by an accurate view of what the law is.

More:  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/free-speech-cliches-media-should-stop-using/596506/

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It's The Atlantic, but it's till worth a read.

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Offline PeteS in CA

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Re: Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2019, 03:29:03 pm »
From the article:

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“Not all speech is protected; there are exceptions to the First Amendment.”

It’s true that the First Amendment has exceptions and doesn’t protect all speech. That’s an apt rebuttal if someone says “All speech is protected by the First Amendment.” But it’s not helpful in deciding whether particular speech is outside of First Amendment protection.

The unstated part of this "argument" is, "Therefore whether anything I disagree with is protected is up for grabs." It's not stated outright - that I've heard or read - but that's what this argument means. The protection of anything is dubious.

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“Incitement and threats are not free speech.”

While technically true, not everything that might colloquially be called a “threat” is outside the protection of the First Amendment. Only “true threats” are unprotected—threats conveying “a serious expression of intent to an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.” There’s some ambiguity about whether evaluating the seriousness of a threat is an objective question, or a subjective question, or both, something the Supreme Court recently failed to resolve.  But most courts impose an objective test: A threat is “true” if a reasonable person hearing it would take it as a sincere expression of intent to do harm. That doesn’t cover most hyperbole and political invective.

While true, the courts have defined what an unprotected threat is. IOW, my expression of political and moral views with which a Prog disagrees is not a threat.

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“Hate speech is not free speech.” 

There is an admirable growing social consensus that it’s despicable to denigrate people based on ethnicity, religion, or sexuality. But most despicable speech is protected by the First Amendment. Contrary to the popular slogan, there is no hate-speech exception to the First Amendment. Particular examples of hateful speech may satisfy the established tests for the true-threats or incitement exceptions, but they’re not unprotected just because they’re hateful. 

“Stochastic terrorism is not free speech.” 

In the past few months you may have heard the term stochastic terrorism to describe speech that, according to some advocates, whips up hatred against groups and leads unbalanced people to commit violence against them, even if it doesn’t explicitly call for violence. By definition, if stochastic terrorism doesn’t call for violence, it doesn’t fall outside the First Amendment, because it’s not intended and likely to lead to imminent lawless action. It may be morally reprehensible, but, just like hate speech, it’s protected.

These are just terms "That mean what I decide they mean and include" and are attempts to bypass established applications of the First Amendment. By the way, "stochastic terrorism" is just BS gobbledygoo to link protected free speech to unrelated crimes (like blaming Pro-Life people for abortion clinic bombings and shootings, as I have seen many do :seeya: ).

Maybe The Atlantic's article "went there", but where this article should have gone is from the foolishness of some using these arguments to the tyrannous hearts and will of those who concocted and advocated the arguments.
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Re: Don’t Use These Free-Speech Arguments Ever Again
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2019, 03:37:39 pm »
Not a bad essay for someone who sees white nationalists under the stairs.