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[Sanguine]

There's a plenty of daylight between a tiny number of noisy Antifa and a tiny number of noisy white supremicists.    It's just that you'd never know it by the state of what passes for mainstream politics these days.  It's not about policy prescriptions, it's about theater.    Casting the 2020 election as a morality play between left-wing hate and right-wing hate is the catnip currently enthralling the mainstream media and the cast of losers running for President.

So, what is that daylight, the essential differences? 

[goatprairie]

There's a plenty of daylight between a tiny number of noisy Antifa and a tiny number of noisy white supremicists.    It's just that you'd never know it by the state of what passes for mainstream politics these days.  It's not about policy prescriptions, it's about theater.    Casting the 2020 election as a morality play between left-wing hate and right-wing hate is the catnip currently enthralling the mainstream media and the cast of losers running for President.

If anybody on this forum wonders where the right anti-Semites are, they're there. Go over to TakiMag which is considered a right-wing forum.
They used to post the comments under the articles which basically were NOT!!! anti-Semitic. But a lot of the comments under them were.
At some point in the last few years, Taki Theodoracopulis took the comments off.
Why? I believe it was probably because a great many of the commenters, supposedly conservatives, blamed the Jews for everything. Theodoracopulis aka Taki is himself anti-Israel, but the people who write columns for him do not appear to be, and includes one writer, David Cole, who is Jewish. At least they don't write anti-Jewish or anti-Israel articles as a rule. Except for Taki, himself
Unfortunately, you don't have to visit Stormfront to find nasty anti-Semites on the right.
If you visit some lefty sites like DemocraticUnderground aka DummyUnderground, you'll find a lot of posters who hate Israel but who swear they're not anti-Semitic.
Which might be true for a lot of them, as many of the posters identify as  Jews  but profess sympathy for "Palestinians" many of whom would like nothing better than to slit their throats.
Their sympathy for people, Palestinians, who contribute to the world nothing but misery and promises of death to Israel and Jews confounds me.

[PeteS in CA]

So, what is that daylight, the essential differences?

I'm not a Jazzhead Whisperer, but I took him to mean that there are a not of non-crazies between the extremes of the Antifoid crazies and the skinhead-grade crazies.

For my part, I think the Antifoid crazies far outnumber the skinhead-grade crazies. Though I haven't counted feet and divided by two for either group.

[WhatWouldReaganDo]

So, what is that daylight, the essential differences?

Communists vs. neo-Nazis, Make America Weimar Germany Again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

[Sanguine]

Communists vs. neo-Nazis, Make America Weimar Germany Again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

That's sort of what I was getting at:  both "sides" promote hate, use violence, are anti-Semitic and anti-selected-other-ethnic-groups, and are anti-American and want America to be something other than what it actually is.

I don't see how either of them translate into "right-wing Americans", unless you are using a European version of right and left.  Right wing Americans are pro-freedom and for limited government. 

[verga]

Hmmm and not a red flag law in sight.

[Cyber Liberty]

Hmmm and not a red flag law in sight.

You can bet the farm that if a national Red Flag Law is passed, violent Moslems will be exempt.

[goatprairie]

That's sort of what I was getting at:  both "sides" promote hate, use violence, are anti-Semitic and anti-selected-other-ethnic-groups, and are anti-American and want America to be something other than what it actually is.

I don't see how either of them translate into "right-wing Americans", unless you are using a European version of right and left.  Right wing Americans are pro-freedom and for limited government.

For many decades there was a far-right group of people represented by a person called Willis Carto who in 1955 created something called "The Liberty Lobby" which was influenced by Nazi types and was, of course, exceptionally anti-Semitic.
So that's what was considered conservatism half a century ago even Carto though liked to refer to himself as a populist.
 W.F. Buckley Jr. threw out those types and the Birchers  creating along with Barry Goldwater a conservative movement that wasn't anti-Semitic or conspiratorial. Goldwater himself was half Jewish. Birchers thought Eisenhower was a communist or a fellow traveler.
But there always has been a fringe group of people considered on the far right who are anti-Semitic, racist, and hate and seek to oust all people who aren't "pure white."
Not my kind of people. Anybody of any color or race who believes in the U.S.  constitution, no special favors to certain groups,  and the rule of law is my kind of person.

[Jazzhead]

For many decades there was a far-right group of people represented by a person called Willis Carto who in 1955 created something called "The Liberty Lobby" which was influenced by Nazi types and was, of course, exceptionally anti-Semitic.
So that's what was considered conservatism half a century ago even Carto though liked to refer to himself as a populist.
 W.F. Buckley Jr. threw out those types and the Birchers  creating along with Barry Goldwater a conservative movement that wasn't anti-Semitic or conspiratorial. Goldwater himself was half Jewish. Birchers thought Eisenhower was a communist or a fellow traveler.
But there always has been a fringe group of people considered on the far right who are anti-Semitic, racist, and hate and seek to oust all people who aren't "pure white."
Not my kind of people. Anybody of any color or race who believes in the U.S.  constitution, no special favors to certain groups,  and the rule of law is my kind of person.

QFT.  One worry expressed by those of us who grew up in the Buckley/Goldwater era is whether the rise of Trump may signal the resurgence of anti-Semitism (and bigotry generally) as part of the "respectable" conservative movement.    Trump would do well to mirror what Buckley said all those years ago and wall off the bigots and supremicists. 

[aligncare]

"White nationalist" is the new bogeyman, even though I doubt anyone at ABC News has ever seen one. This guy hated jews; how do we know he wasn't Muslim or Antifa? I suspect that to the snooze media, any white guy is a nationalist/supremacist anymore.

The Left is off their rocker. They’ll twist anything, take any story, any idea and try to construct a damaging narrative.

Like trying to tie white supremacy to President Trump. Donald Trump; who has a family, half of which are Jewish!

Or, like saying Donald Trump doesn’t like foreigners, despite the fact that Trump was married to two foreigners.

You can’t make this stuff up.

[PeteS in CA]

QFT.  One worry expressed by those of us who grew up in the Buckley/Goldwater era is whether the rise of Trump may signal the resurgence of anti-Semitism (and bigotry generally) as part of the "respectable" conservative movement.    Trump would do well to mirror what Buckley said all those years ago and wall off the bigots and supremicists.

Actions speak louder than words, to those willing to hear, @Jazzhead:

http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/bencarson10.png

http://images.mid-day.com/images/2017/mar/31-Nikki-Haley.jpg

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/elaine-chao-hi-res.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/wmfeimages/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/13120834/Alexander_Acosta_official_photo-via-wikimedia-commons.jpg

Does the significance of the pictures above need to be explained? Then scan through the names on these lists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Donald_Trump

If you want more actions, consider Trump's move of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and his agreement with Israel's decision to bar Omar and Tlaib from entering Israel.

Trump has "spoken", clearly.

[Jazzhead]

Actions speak louder than words, to those willing to hear, @Jazzhead:

Oh,  I agree,  @PeteS in CA ,  that Trump is not anti-Semitic - to the contrary, as you suggest, he's been a far greater supporter of Israel than his predecessor,  and it's the Dems that are bringing anti-Semitism back to the mainstream.

But Trump still relies for almost all of his support on his "base",  and that's where perception can become reality.    Sure, his critics are cynical,  but when anti-Semitic and/or white nationalist mass shooters make the headlines,  there is something to be gained by forcefully denouncing such ideologies and publically standing in deliberate contrast,  much as Bill Clinton did with Sistah Souljah.    That is,  wall off the bigots and supremicists as unacceptable in respectable conservative circles.     

[thackney]

Oh,  I agree,  @PeteS in CA ,  that Trump is not anti-Semitic - to the contrary, as you suggest, he's been a far greater supporter of Israel than his predecessor,  and it's the Dems that are bringing anti-Semitism back to the mainstream.

But Trump still relies for almost all of his support on his "base",  and that's where perception can become reality.    Sure, his critics are cynical,  but when anti-Semitic and/or white nationalist mass shooters make the headlines,  there is something to be gained by forcefully denouncing such ideologies and publically standing in deliberate contrast,  much as Bill Clinton did with Sistah Souljah.    That is,  wall off the bigots and supremicists as unacceptable in respectable conservative circles.   

As he has.

President Donald Trump on Monday condemned “racism, bigotry and white supremacy” in the wake of two weekend mass shootings that killed 31 people and wounded dozens.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/trump-condemns-racism-bigotry-and-white-supremacy.html

[Cyber Liberty]

As he has.

President Donald Trump on Monday condemned “racism, bigotry and white supremacy” in the wake of two weekend mass shootings that killed 31 people and wounded dozens.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/trump-condemns-racism-bigotry-and-white-supremacy.html

If a tree falls in the forest, and the mainstream media doesn't report it, does it make a sound?

[Sanguine]

If a tree falls in the forest, and the mainstream media doesn't report it, does it make a sound?

Apparently not.

[Jazzhead]

As he has.

President Donald Trump on Monday condemned “racism, bigotry and white supremacy” in the wake of two weekend mass shootings that killed 31 people and wounded dozens.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/trump-condemns-racism-bigotry-and-white-supremacy.html

Yes, he has.   And he would be well advised to keep doing it,  and to avoid the use of dog whistles.   The press is out to get him,  and he needs to think twice, or three times, before making  his off-the-cuff tweets.  For example,  his tweet or remark the other day about Jews who support Democrats being "disloyal".     That's a poorly-thrown meatball down the heart of the plate for his critics.   

[aligncare]

Yes, he has.   And he would be well advised to keep doing it,  and to avoid the use of dog whistles.   The press is out to get him,  and he needs to think twice, or three times, before making  his off-the-cuff tweets.  For example,  his tweet or remark the other day about Jews who support Democrats being "disloyal".     That's a poorly-thrown meatball down the heart of the plate for his critics.

Donald Trump doesn’t use dog whistles. He says exactly what he’s thinking, consistently, whatever venue, maybe even while he’s on the john at 3:00 AM. There’s no guesswork involved. It’s just that some people don’t want to hear what he has to say.

Democrats and leftists [redundant] use the phrase ‘dog whistle’ in place of sticking their fingers in their ears and intoning la la la la la.

They’ll twist his meaning into some kind of -ism later, anyway.

[PeteS in CA]

Donald Trump doesn’t use dog whistles. He says exactly what he’s thinking, consistently, whatever venue, maybe even while he’s on the john at 3:00 AM. There’s no guesswork involved. It’s just that some people don’t want to hear what he has to say.

Democrats and leftists [redundant] use the phrase ‘dog whistle’ in place of sticking their fingers in their ears and intoning la la la la la.

They’ll twist his meaning into some kind of -ism later, anyway.

If Trump uses "Dog Whistles", why are the Dems the only ones claiming to hear it?

[Jazzhead]

If Trump uses "Dog Whistles", why are the Dems the only ones claiming to hear it?

Good question.  A dog whistle is only heard by the dog.   If Trump is speaking in code (nudge nudge, wink wink) to his supporters,  then the Dems shouldn't be able to understand it.   It's a flawed metaphor.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Good question.  A dog whistle is only heard by the dog.   If Trump is speaking in code (nudge nudge, wink wink) to his supporters,  then the Dems shouldn't be able to understand it.   It's a flawed metaphor.

It's been flawed from the first time I heard it used in this political context.