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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #450 on: August 15, 2019, 12:55:23 am »
But they are practically forbidden...

...and 176 homicides to date in NYC, being touted as a 'drop in crime'.

**nononono*

In the meantime, no homicides here (maybe a few coyotes, prairie dogs, or gophers shot, though)...

But the people who live in the hive want to make rules for those in the badlands, even though they've never seen them.

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I remember reading years ago about one of Woody Allens friends buying a ranch in Montana or Wyoming,and living there when not working on a play or similar project. Woody had never left NYC in his whole life,so his friend decided to expand his horizons by inviting him to the ranch and providing the airplane to bring him there.

Allen refused to get off the airplane after it landed. He was terrified at all the open country and no police escort or bodyguards anywhere in sight.
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« Reply #451 on: August 15, 2019, 12:57:29 am »
@Smokin Joe

I remember reading years ago about one of Woody Allens friends buying a ranch in Montana or Wyoming,and living there when not working on a play or similar project. Woody had never left NYC in his whole life,so his friend decided to expand his horizons by inviting him to the ranch and providing the airplane to bring him there.

Allen refused to get off the airplane after it landed. He was terrified at all the open country and no police escort or bodyguards anywhere in sight.

I find that reasonably credible. SO many city folks can't handle open space. They can't control it, it isn't made by humans, and often they have discarded the God (not a Religion, but God) most out here trust.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #452 on: August 15, 2019, 01:02:07 am »
Yeah, I enjoyed my visit in '74, up on the Empire State Building, seeing who could spot the most hookers for a dime in the telescopes...

But live there? No thanks, no way. I really like being able to see the stars (celestial) at night.

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One of the saddest thoughts I have had today is that probably 90 percent of the Americans living today have no idea what you are talking about because they have never seen a sky filled with stars with no artificial light anywhere around. There is not a sedative in the world that can match the feeling of peace and wonder you can get staring at a full-power night sky. It's priceless.

The unfortunate reality is most people have to live where they can earn a living,and the jobs are in the cities.
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #453 on: August 15, 2019, 01:07:08 am »
@Smokin Joe

I remember reading years ago about one of Woody Allens friends buying a ranch in Montana or Wyoming,and living there when not working on a play or similar project. Woody had never left NYC in his whole life,so his friend decided to expand his horizons by inviting him to the ranch and providing the airplane to bring him there.

Allen refused to get off the airplane after it landed. He was terrified at all the open country and no police escort or bodyguards anywhere in sight.

Wellll, the Daughter-raper is a self-described neurotic.   :whistle:
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #454 on: August 15, 2019, 01:21:17 am »
Wellll, the Daughter-raper is a self-described neurotic.   :whistle:

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He is a rat that grew up in and never left a maze,so what else could he be?
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« Reply #455 on: August 15, 2019, 01:32:58 am »
It just doesn't seem right to come onto a thread and take up so much of the oxygen without knowing what you're talking about.   :shrug:

Sorry you believe I should not comment in the discussion unless I watch a 45 minute video.  It usually won't ever happen for me.

If it is information worth sharing, it should be worth writing down.

I am not wired for oral lectures.
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« Reply #456 on: August 15, 2019, 01:41:37 am »
Sorry you believe I should not comment in the discussion unless I watch a 45 minute video.  It usually won't ever happen for me.

If it is information worth sharing, it should be worth writing down.

I am not wired for oral lectures.

I daresay she wasn't talking about you, @thackney. :whistle:
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« Reply #457 on: August 15, 2019, 01:45:38 am »
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Good man!

My best friend...a retired Navy CPO reminded me too that it violates posse commitatus. Further making this kind of order highly unlawful.
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« Reply #458 on: August 15, 2019, 01:57:11 am »
Sorry you believe I should not comment in the discussion unless I watch a 45 minute video.  It usually won't ever happen for me.

If it is information worth sharing, it should be worth writing down.

I am not wired for oral lectures.

I dislike videos too; I want to read it.

However, as far as you are concerned I assume that you have the appropriate background and education to express an intelligent opinion on this subject.

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« Reply #459 on: August 15, 2019, 01:59:09 am »
My best friend...a retired Navy CPO reminded me too that it violates posse commitatus. Further making this kind of order highly unlawful.

That kind of order would be the sort I'd expect of a Rat President, to deafening applause, as @INVAR would say.  I greatly appreciate your discussing it.  I know what I would do but I'm a Civilian and don't know what the Manual says.  And thanks for the tip on the Insurance, that will be one of my first calls after I check what Insurance the Dr. I want to get takes..
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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #460 on: August 15, 2019, 02:00:21 am »
I dislike videos too; I want to read it.

Dittos.  I can't hear very well, and videos are a major chore for me.  YouTube CC, when available, is for crap.
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« Reply #461 on: August 15, 2019, 02:04:20 am »
That kind of order would be the sort I'd expect of a Rat President, to deafening applause, as @INVAR would say.  I greatly appreciate your discussing it.  I know what I would do but I'm a Civilian and don't know what the Manual says.  And thanks for the tip on the Insurance, that will be one of my first calls after I check what Insurance the Dr. I want to get takes..

It’s something I’ve been thinking long and hard about since January of 2009.  How I would handle something like that.  It’s a decision full of risk no matter which way you go with it.  But as a Sr NCO and someone who takes the NCO Creed to heart...I couldn’t uphold my oath AND carry out an unlawful order like that.

I hope they’re able to help you on the insurance.
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« Reply #462 on: August 15, 2019, 02:09:10 am »
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Oh you video-phobes!!

Now you’ve done it!

Guilted me but good.....  I’ll spend a hour when I get one tomorrow to create a quick transcript....

It will be worth it, for our collective prosperity.....

(It will be largely outline form, and I will skip her references to the details of the Massachusetts Constitution.)


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« Reply #463 on: August 15, 2019, 02:10:20 am »
It’s something I’ve been thinking long and hard about since January of 2009.  How I would handle something like that.  It’s a decision full of risk no matter which way you go with it.  But as a Sr NCO and someone who takes the NCO Creed to heart...I couldn’t uphold my oath AND carry out an unlawful order like that.

I hope they’re able to help you on the insurance.

Let's hope all Sarges have their heads screwed on like yours, my friend.

And thanks again about the other! :beer: :beer:
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« Reply #464 on: August 15, 2019, 02:12:46 am »
Let's hope all Sarges have their heads screwed on like yours, my friend.

And thanks again about the other! :beer: :beer:

It would be too much to believe all of them will. I just hope there’s enough if/when the time comes.
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« Reply #465 on: August 15, 2019, 02:19:32 am »
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Oh you video-phobes!!

Now you’ve done it!

Guilted me but good.....  I’ll spend a hour when I get one tomorrow to create a quick transcript....

It will be worth it, for our collective prosperity.....

(It will be largely outline form, and I will skip her references to the details of the Massachusetts Constitution.)

Oh, I download them (horrible internet service) and listen to them, but I whine while I'm doing it. 

Thanks, Ed.  We all appreciate it.   Or, will.

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« Reply #466 on: August 15, 2019, 02:21:16 am »
Oh, I download them (horrible internet service) and listen to them, but I whine while I'm doing it. 

Thanks, Ed.  We all appreciate it.   Or, will.

I don't whine, but Mrs. Liberty does if I don't use my headphones....
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« Reply #467 on: August 15, 2019, 03:49:56 am »
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One of the saddest thoughts I have had today is that probably 90 percent of the Americans living today have no idea what you are talking about because they have never seen a sky filled with stars with no artificial light anywhere around. There is not a sedative in the world that can match the feeling of peace and wonder you can get staring at a full-power night sky. It's priceless.

The unfortunate reality is most people have to live where they can earn a living,and the jobs are in the cities.
It is that awesome feeling of practically falling off the planet. On a crisp winter night (if you can keep your breath cloud out of the way), you can see forever out there. Now, if there are even a few ice crystals in the air, the well flares shoot beams up into the sky from the flare pits.  It's unreal and quite beautiful, like some sci fi cover art....
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« Reply #468 on: August 15, 2019, 04:06:41 am »
It is that awesome feeling of practically falling off the planet. On a crisp winter night (if you can keep your breath cloud out of the way), you can see forever out there. Now, if there are even a few ice crystals in the air, the well flares shoot beams up into the sky from the flare pits.  It's unreal and quite beautiful, like some sci fi cover art....

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Interesting you would say that. It had never occurred to me before I read it,but I now believe it was staring at the rural night sky in wonder when I was a child that opened my mind to possibilities,and made me a fan of science fiction.

I truly  believe the best gift you can give an intelligent teen with a curious mind are subscriptions to "Asimov's Science Fiction" and to "Analog,the magazine of science fiction and fact". If those two can't fire their imaginations and inspire them,they are doomed to be drones.
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« Reply #469 on: August 15, 2019, 04:11:57 am »
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Interesting you would say that. It had never occurred to me before I read it,but I now believe it was staring at the rural night sky in wonder when I was a child that opened my mind to possibilities,and made me a fan of science fiction.

I truly  believe the best gift you can give an intelligent teen with a curious mind are subscriptions to "Asimov's Science Fiction" and to "Analog,the magazine of science fiction and fact". If those two can't fire their imaginations and inspire them,they are doomed to be drones.
I haven't read either magazine in years, but I did as a kid. My cousin handed down copies of her Science fiction magazines and the books she read to me and I ate that up. I still like decent SciFi to read and occasionally watch shorts on youtube (Dust seems like a good group, but there are others).

Yeah, as a kid in the sticks, the night sky meant more than just a surge in human stupidity (full moons), and still does.
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« Reply #470 on: August 15, 2019, 07:27:01 am »
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Oh you video-phobes!!

Now you’ve done it!

Guilted me but good.....  I’ll spend a hour when I get one tomorrow to create a quick transcript....

It will be worth it, for our collective prosperity.....

(It will be largely outline form, and I will skip her references to the details of the Massachusetts Constitution.)

I saved the video, the audio, and would appreciate a ping to the transcript too.... For son's education.... this whole thread has been a blast.
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« Reply #471 on: August 15, 2019, 09:20:04 am »

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Some people seem to need a REALLY strong door more than anything else.

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« Reply #472 on: August 15, 2019, 10:00:11 am »
One of the saddest thoughts I have had today is that probably 90 percent of the Americans living today have no idea what you are talking about because they have never seen a sky filled with stars with no artificial light anywhere around. There is not a sedative in the world that can match the feeling of peace and wonder you can get staring at a full-power night sky. It's priceless.

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You have never said anything more true.

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The unfortunate reality is most people have to live where they can earn a living,and the jobs are in the cities.

Yeah, that is what is believed.
But there are differing definitions of 'making a living'
There's the broad way, well lighted, well marked, and made for speed
And then there's the narrow twisting rocky way - Hard to find, not well marked, easy to lose your way....

On that narrow way, you wpn't find gold, you won't find fame, and you won't find fancy degrees. You'll often find hunger, awful heat, and bitter cold, and always hard, hard work. You'll find fear, and loneliness and pain, raw as they come.

I left the one for the other... The broad way looks so easy, and once you're on it, it tends to suck you along - services cost money - ease has value... So the cost requires income, and income requires time, and soon you are a slave to your conveniences.

By the time I figured it out, and even so, it was terribly hard to take that exit ramp, and head for the foothills, above which that narrow way could be found. The best things in life are truly free - They have to be, because they are up there on that narrow way I wish I'd never left.
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« Reply #473 on: August 15, 2019, 09:39:40 pm »
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OK, in this post is the transcription up through 25:16 of 46:52.  I will post the rest tomorrow.

Speaker: KrisAnne Hall, JD
Title: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws
Location: Second Amendment Rally in Massachusetts
Date (Approximate): Jue 17, 2019
Video Length: 46:52

About KrisAnne Hall:

KrisAnne Hall is an attorney and former prosecutor, fired after teaching the Constitution Conservative groups & public schools – she would not sacrifice liberty for a paycheck. She is a disabled veteran of the US Army, a Russian linguist, a mother, a pastor’s wife and a patriot. She now travels the country and teaches the Constitution and the history that gave us our founding documents. KrisAnne Hall does not just teach the Constitution, she lays the foundations that show how reliable and relevant our founding documents are today. She presents the “genealogy” of the Constitution – the 700 year history and five foundational documents that are the very roots of American Liberty. -

See more at: http://krisannehall.com/

Quick Transcription:

All people say: knowledge is power... but that is not true, knowledge is not power until it is activated...

And until we actually accept the truth... and I don't mean me just throwing ideas at you...  because if I am just here to give you statements and ideas.... can't you just admit to me that by the time that you get out to the parking lot you are going to have forgotten about 75% of what I am have been saying...

{gestures to crowd to raise their hands and nods}

So what I want to do is to give you something that lasts...   something that becomes motivation...  something that will drive you to activation...  an activation that is more than just being a member of a group...  more than just being a keyboard warrior...  more than just being somebody that emails your representative every now and then.... or Tweets or posts....  or whatever

We are creeping into a time and day where the complacency in which we operate is going to drive us into a den of despotism that will be nearly impossible for us to peacefully escape...  I just want you  to know, those whose gave us America, gave us amazing, wonderful things.... but the greatest gift that they gave to us, was the opportunity to self-govern....

You see they just didn't declare independence from Great Britain, they declared independence from kings and rulers forever... 

{applause from crowd}

And one of the greatest problems that we have in American politics today.... is not the President of the United States.... is not your congressman....  Samuel Adams said that no people will tamely surrender their liberties nor be easily subdued when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved.... he said that on the contrary, when the People become....  when the People become universally ignorant and debauched in their manners, they will sink underneath their own weight....  without the aid of foreign invaders....

I would tell you in my experience in History, and in learning History, and in seeing what is happening in government today, the greatest challenge that we have in politics today.... is that the American society constantly seeking a political savior.....

Donald Trump can not fix what is wrong with America today....  nor do you want Donald Trump to fix what's wrong with America today.... for Donald Trump to fix what is wrong with America today, he would need to cease being a President and start being a king....  and that is quintessentially the opposite of who we are....

We have to stop searching for people who will make the difference, and start accepting that responsibility upon our selves.... stop looking for George Washington to return.... stop yearning for Thomas Jefferson or James Madison to come back and teach our children....  and BE the Founders of our Future!!

{applause from crowd}

You have the same power that they had....  you have the same authority they had....  and if you're simply honest with yourself, every Liberty loving American carries the same Spirit that they had....  you just have to activate it...  and I believe that that activation can only come through knowing the Truth....  a commodity that's a little hard to come by in America today....

So what I want to talk to you about today...   I know that you heard a couple of speakers talk about this today.....  we have activists that talk about this today, we have politicians that talk about this today...  But I want to teach you something that I think that we are not finding enough of.... and I believe it is because we don't have the depth and understanding necessary to really become passionate about this....  I want to talk to you today about Red Flag Laws....

Now I'm knowing this problem..... when I was praying about what to teach today....  because I have.... I have Liberty First University.... I have been traveling this country for 9 years... in those 9 years, I've averaged 265 classes in over 22 States, every single year....  I have a lot of different things that I teach to a lot of different people on a lot of different occasions....

So when I was praying today about what to bring to you, I thought to myself.... these people do not need an education on the Second Amendment...  of all the people that I address, if anybody is going to have a firm foundation of what "Shall not be infringed" means.... these people have that....

But what we need to understand is the intricacy and intimacy of all of our Rights...  how they are intertwined, how they are entangled upon each other.... how they are incumbent upon each other for their own existence....  let me give you an example...

Just a little pop quiz that I like to give when I go around and teach...  so I know that I told you to get your pocket Constitutions out.... but at this point in time.... close them....  no cheating on your cell phones....  because I am going to give you a pop quiz...

The First Amendment contains 5 liberties....  to yourself.... not out loud....  name all 5 of those liberties found in the First Amendment....

Now I've been doing this for 9 years.... I also know that since I've been doing this there have been national polls... that in any given crowd, at best....  less than 2% of the people will be able to name all 5...

So we love the Second Amendment... we love our Right to Keep and Bear Arms....  but what about the others?

You see if you do not know what your Rights are, how do you know that they are not already gone?

If you can not define your Rights...  how are you going to defend them?

And here's the thing.... your Right to Freedom of religion.... Freedom of speech...  Freedom of press... the Right to peaceably assemble.... the Right to petition the government to redress of your grievances... is incumbent on your Right to Keep and Bear Arms... and Right to Keep and Bear Arms must also have your Right to freely communicate...

How many of you have heard of the Weaver problem.... in Ruby Ridge?  Right, you remember Ruby Ridge....

How many of you remember Bundy Ranch? 

Can I tell you from a Constitutional Property Rights perspective those two situations were very, very similar....

But they had very different endings..... Why?  Not because of the RKBA, the Weaver family had Arms.... Bundy Ranch had Arms.... why were they different?  Why did they end differently?  Because at the Weaver household.... they didn't have cell phones....  they didn't have social media.... they did not have a way to communicate their plight with the outside world and bring in those of like minds, with like passions, and like knowledge to defend them...

Your RKBA is essential.... but let me tell you, if you don't have the Right to Freedom of Speech.... the Right to Freedom of press, the Right to petition the government, if you don't the Right to peaceably assemble.... it is you alone with your gun against the king....  and you lose....

The power in the RKBA is the power to Keep and Bear them together as a community...

And that is the sole purpose of community.... the only reason that community exists.... the Declaration of Independence tells us....  We hold these truths to be self evident... that all men are are created equally and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights...   and that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed....

There is only one reason for organized society that we call government to exist....  and that is for people to come together in a unified body, and that is to secure each other's rights....

But when we allow... when we, as Samuel Adams says, when we tamely suffer a lawless attack upon our Liberty, we actually encourage it... 

When we diminish the.... the necessity of one Right or the other and we lift one up and ignore the other.... we are actually bringing about the destruction of them all....

Can you have Freedom of speech without Freedom of press?

Can you have Freedom of speech without the Right to peaceably assemble?

If you don't have the Right to complain to your government, where is your Freedom of speech?

Do you have a Freedom of religion if you don't have a Freedom of speech?  Or Freedom of press.....  whose going to print your Bibles if it is now illegal?

You see, when one falls, they all fall....  and that's why the Bill of Rights exists in the manner it does.... the entire purpose of the BOR is not to control government.... because paper and ink does not control government....   our Framers referred to them as parchment buries (?)....  the only thing that controls government are an educated People who are devoted and in love with the posterity and liberty....

{much applause from audience}

But how can we love something that we do not know?  How can you have an affinity and attachment for something that you do not know exists?

I want to show you,....  about these Red Flag Laws.... and why it is more than just a Second Amendment issue...  now you have your pocket Constitutions....  How many of you have pocket Massachusetts Constitutions?  This is your State.... within in your State, your Constitution is just as important, if not more so, than the US Constitution....  you ought to know where the essential protections of your liberties exist within your own State Constitution....

Can I just admit to you that I think what we have today....  is that we've been so deceived and distracted by the circus of Washington, DC that it has caused us to turn our attention and our minds away from the things that are truly important...  and the placement of our true power....  do you know if we were truly, truly in love with our Liberty.... and truly educated at the same time.... a Presidential election would be in the order of importance.... lower then the election of your sheriff....  because in your county your sheriff has more power and more control than the President of the United States....  has more power and more control than your state legislator and your governor....

If we were honest about where our Liberty and where our power really exists, we wouldn't be so....  fawning over US Representatives and we would be visiting our statehouses instead....  we wouldn't send another dime to a Presidential election, we wouldn't send another dime to a national election... we spend all of our resources and all of our time state and local because that is where we make change....

{applause from audience}

So I want to talk to you today about Red Flag Laws, both national and local....  because you know that there is a push national too.... but that you already have RFL here...  and I think that the reason these RFLs so easily seeped in to our societies....  is because the people have been.....  led down a primrose path.....  and have been deceived into believing that laws stop crimes....  and that is just really.... you know.... a Second Amendment issue.... it's just a small regulation....  on your ability to KBA....  if we understood how BIG it actually was....  how all encompassing of multiple divisions of Rights... we wouldn't be sitting at a gun rally today, we be occupying your capitol right now...  until something was changed....

So let me show you....  if you don't have a Massachusetts Constitution, I would encourage you to follow along on your cell phone... because it is online... and I want you to see these words ...  not just with your hearing mind.... but with your seeing mind as well....  now when we talk about Rights....  we should begin with Rights....  I have a video on my YouTube channel called "Rights versus Benefits" because it is a serious point of confusion in America.... the difference between Rights and benefits.... so I want to establish for you today.... the foundation of Rights...  and I want you to make me a promise.... from this day forward.... these words will never escape your lips again.... are you ready?  "Second Amendment Rights"  I don't want you to ever say these words again.. because what you speak out of your mouth, affects your mind.... and every time we say "Second Amendment Rights" we somehow convince our mind and our spirits that our RKBA comes from a document benefited to us by those in government....

Your RKBA does NOT come from the Constitution.... it does not come from a government document.... it doesn't come from any document at all....  your RKBA emanates from the first Law of Nature....  commonly known as the Duty of Self Preservation...

Samuel Adams wrote in 1772....  among the Natural Rights of the colonists are these.... first the Right to Life....  secondly to Liberty....  thirdly to Property....  together.... number four..... your Right together with the Right to support and defend them in the best manner they can...  These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the Duty of Self-Preservation, commonly called the first Law of Nature.

Your RKBA comes from God.... by the nature of your Creation and your Duty to preserve your life to the glory of God....

{much applause from audience}

But KrisAnne.....  I don't believe in God.....  does that mean my Right does not come from God?

NO!  It does not....  but if you don't believe in God you have to admit that your Rights do not come from government because if they come from government they are no longer Rights.... they are privileges...  you must admit....  even the unbeliever must admit that there is a higher power that bestows upon every living creature the Right to breathe and the Right to protect that breath....

{applause from audience}

Because the bottom line is.... if you don't have the Right to protect your own breath.... you are a slave.... the property of another.... the one who protects you,...  and assigns the value for your body....

This is why the Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The Second Amendment doesn't emanate from the BOR, the Second Amendment originates in Natural Law....  your Duty to live.... and your Right to protect that life...

{at this point in the presentation she focuses on where to find the Natural Law Rights in the Massachusetts Constitution....  I have skipped that part in this transcription, but suggest that each of us locate them in our own State constitutions.}

James Madison wrote in 1792, an essay called "Property" in which he defined the term, "Property."  He said this term in its particular application means “that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual.”   

(refer to the OP of this thread for a ready reference to the "Property" essay.)

That's a no-brainer right?  So in layman's terms Madison is simply saying what you call your property is your stuff...  your car... your cell phone.... your house.... everybody knows that....

But he goes on to say in a larger and juster meaning of this word "Property," it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

James Madison, the man that we refer to a the father of the Constitution, is trying to explain to us that our Rights are more than ideas....  they're more than thoughts are desires.... are Rights are actual Property.... and listen to what he says....

You have a property very dear to you in the safety and liberty of your person.

Can I just let that sort of sink in a little bit....

If you were to ask your friends...  OK let's have a little fun thing.... I'm going to show you the Second Amendment... I want you to identify the property issues within the Second Amendment... and I guarantee you very quickly they'll go "Oh... the RKBA.... because Arms...  you know guns.... that's the property.... guns are property....  that's the issue...."

James Madison would agree... but he would say.... yes, but you're missing the most important part... the Right itself is Property....



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Re: The Truly Insidious Nature of Red Flag Laws - KrisAnne Hall, JD
« Reply #474 on: August 15, 2019, 09:45:57 pm »
Pinging @Sighlass to the above post.  (Sorry pal, forgot you in the ping.)