Republicans Fear ‘Extinction in the Suburbs’ Over Gun Control

[rustynail]

Majority of Republicans(women) support an assault weapons ban: Poll

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/8/majority-republicans-support-assault-weapons-ban-p/

[Jazzhead]

However, the "community" is not authorized to interfere with natural rights.

You understand that, yes?  The rights that are endowed upon mankind by its Creator....  or put another way for those not all that keen on the concept of a "Creator," the rights that are endowed upon mankind by the nature of his humanity....

Yes, those rights....  you and the "community" have no say about them.  Not one iota.

Bullshit.  I understand what Justice Scalia understood.   Every right set forth in the Constitution is subject to reasonable regulation.    And that is all I am talking about.   Not denial, not confiscation. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Winner, Winner Chicken dinner!

Then why didn't the founder make the right to bear arms the first amendment?  @Bigun

[EdJames]

If this was the truth, the Founders would have made the right to bear arms the first amendment to the Constitution.

Please stop making up crap to suit your gun fixation.

In actual fact, there was quite a robust discussion about the order by Madison, Mason, and others.

I would have to go look it (it has been decades since I was buried in those texts and papers), but strong arguments were made to position the 2nd above the 1st.

Maybe @Bigun or someone else has a reference handy?

[Slip18]

No one bullies an A-10 pilot

Martha was such a cutie, too. 

I took that image of @Cyber Liberty and Senator McSally, and I can guarantee there was no bullying going on there.    Why would there be any bullying?  We had such a great time!

 

[skeeter]

If this was the truth, the Founders would have made the right to bear arms the first amendment to the Constitution.

Can you explain why you think this is so.

I can see why the founders made it the second amendment - to ACCENT the importance of the first.

[Smokin Joe]

Freedom of speech is the very first amendment to the Constitution yet we put parameters around this right.  No one can yell "fire" in a theater and there are libel and slander laws "dictating" what people cannot say or write.  The Right to Assemble, also a First Amendment right, requires a permit.  And freedom of religion protected in #1 is limited on government property and public schools.

What the hell makes the 2nd amendment so damn sacrosanct that we cannot put parameters around this amendment too?

And please, spare me the "if you don't know, I can't explain it" nonsense


@txradioguy
@Bigun
@Cyber Liberty

Read Federalist 46 for the real reason the 2nd Amendment exists.

[Jazzhead]

If this was the truth, the Founders would have made the right to bear arms the first amendment to the Constitution.

Please stop making up crap to suit your gun fixation.

Correct.   We need to win an election folks.   That requires engagement, as the President has advocated,  on ways to protect the public from mass shootings,  within the protections of the Constitution.   

Because that is what the public demands.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Then why didn't the founder make the right to bear arms the first amendment?  @Bigun

I always considered the Bill of Rights to be in "no particular order."  The Second is unique in the constant attacks upon it, though.  To say one is more important than another simply because of the number of the Amendment strikes me as a bit silly.  I wish the Tenth would be taken a bit more seriously.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

The rights that are endowed upon mankind by its Creator....  or put another way for those not all that keen on the concept of a "Creator," the rights that are endowed upon mankind by the nature of his humanity....

Yes, those rights....  you and the "community" have no say about them.  Not one iota. 

Are you arguing that the rights endowed upon mankind by its Creator includes the right to slaughter innocents?       @EdJames

If you're not … then what's your point vis-à-vis red flag laws?

[Cyber Liberty]

Martha was such a cutie, too. 

I took that image of @Cyber Liberty and Senator McSally, and I can guarantee there was no bullying going on there.    Why would there be any bullying?  We had such a great time!

 

She's very friendly, I wish we could have more time to speak with her, unlike those other guys.

[EdJames]

Bullshit.  I understand what Justice Scalia understood.   Every right set forth in the Constitution is subject to reasonable regulation.    And that is all I am talking about.   Not denial, not confiscation.

Bullshit yourself.  You don't appear to understand anything about natural rights. 

You use the disingenuous tactics of arguing that prior, wrongful incursions against these rights are justification for more of them!

You've proven that you are either a despicable troll, or a blithering idiot!

[Bigun]

In actual fact, there was quite a robust discussion about the order by Madison, Mason, and others.

I would have to go look it (it has been decades since I was buried in those texts and papers), but strong arguments were made to position the 2nd above the 1st.

Maybe @Bigun or someone else has a reference handy?

Not sure it addresses that point precisely @EdJames but this is a pretty good primer:   https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/more-perfect-union

Edit to add another good history source.  http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/history-bill-of-rights.html

[EdJames]

Are you arguing that the rights endowed upon mankind by its Creator includes the right to slaughter innocents?       @EdJames

If you're not … then what's your point vis-à-vis red flag laws?

Don't beclown yourself by formulating such nonsensical questions......

 

[thackney]

An assault weapons ban won't stop gun violence.   It's just for show - to show that politicians are "doing something".   There are far more effective, and less intrusive,  ideas for addressing gun violence.

Thank you for recognizing that.  I hope you can also recognize that legal requirements only impact law obeying.  Someone willing to kill other people isn't afraid of disobeying laws.  Illegal guns are no harder to buy than illegal drugs.

[Smokin Joe]

Majority of Republicans(women) support an assault weapons ban: Poll

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/8/majority-republicans-support-assault-weapons-ban-p/

If the majority of Americans thought a town in the US should be nuked, would that make it OK?
Of course not.
Rights are not subject to a poll nor a vote.

I wonder how the question was worded, and who was asked, where?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Read Federalist 46 for the real reason the 2nd Amendment exists.

Why are you bringing state militias into this conversation?

[EdJames]

Not sure it addresses that point precisely @EdJames but this is a pretty good primer:   https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/more-perfect-union

Thanks, will check it out!

[Cyber Liberty]

Bullshit yourself.  You don't appear to understand anything about natural rights. 

You use the disingenuous tactics of arguing that prior, wrongful incursions against these rights are justification for more of them!

You've proven that you are either a despicable troll, or a blithering idiot!

Please don't refer to Members as "idiots."  I had just warned him about that....

[EdJames]

Please don't refer to Members as "idiots."  I had just warned him about that....

Sorry, Boss.....  it is just that I have bitten clear through my tongue today!!

 

[Bigun]

Are you arguing that the rights endowed upon mankind by its Creator includes the right to slaughter innocents?       @EdJames

If you're not … then what's your point vis-à-vis red flag laws?

Excuse me for interjecting myself here but the answer to your question @Right_in_Virginia is NO!  The only people doing that are those that insist it is OK to kill innocent children before or after they are born!

[Bigun]

Thanks, will check it out!

I edited to add a second source as well.

[rustynail]

Trump wants to best Obama as Gun Salesman?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Don't beclown yourself by formulating such nonsensical questions......

 

It's not nonsense.  I'm weary of hearing you speak of God-given natural rights and never once address the natural right to life.

I think you defile the concept of God-given natural rights when you use them to defend and support the weapons that kill --- rather than the innocent lives lost because of them.

@EdJames

[Cyber Liberty]

Sorry, Boss.....  it is just that I have bitten clear through my tongue today!!

 

You are not alone.