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Murdoch-owned NY Post calls for assault weapons ban: 'America is terrified'
By Joe Concha - 08/05/19 09:42 AM EDT

The New York Post editorial board is calling for an assault weapons ban on its Monday cover, with the right-leaning Rupert Murdoch-owned paper arguing that "America is terrified" following two more mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.
 
The New York tabloid's plea, addressed to President Trump, comes after 29 people were killed in separate mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio.
 

"God save us all, sir. People all across the nation are scared; many feel like the country is spinning out of control. They’re looking to their leaders for more than prayers," the editorial reads. "America is terrified.

"President Trump, you are positioned to assuage that fear. On gun control, you are a pragmatic centrist, someone who knows there is a vast majority of Americans who are not to the extreme left or right on this issue. They just want the killings to stop," it adds.

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The Post finally caves to the left.

A good graphic on the subject:

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Will the military be disarmed, too? After all, it consists mostly of the same white millennial men that commit mass shootings.

Disband the Marine Corps. They're too violent.

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The Post finally caves to the left.

A good graphic on the subject:


Good ol Travis McGee.

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Find the cost of freedom
Buried in the ground
Mother Earth will swallow you
Lay your body down


The lyrics are from an old anti-war song by Crosby, Stills & Nash, but let them stand on their own, apart from that.

Almost nothing in this world comes free.
Everything carries "a cost".
Sometimes it's measured in dollars and cents, but more often "the price" of what something "costs" is paid for by other means.

Our Second Amendment is unique in the world, guaranteeing the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms. In that respect, amongst all nations, we are "the freest" insofar as gun ownership is concerned.

But... that freedom comes with its own stark "cost":
That cost is:
Every now and then, someone will go crazy and start shooting at others randomly, as we saw in El Paso and Dayton over the past few days.

Little can be done to prevent this. Sometimes, they're discovered before they act on their desires, such as indicated by the grandmother in Lubbock, Texas, who just turned her grandson into the police for planning a shooting spree. But instances like this are rare.

All too often, there's little that is or can be done to successfully profile and pre-empt these shooters before they act. They just explode, in some kind of orgasmic personal apocalypse which usually results in their own demise as well. Afterwards, there's nothing left to do but clean up the damage and try to discover their motivations (although the trend recently seems to be to leave behind a "manifesto" that explains their rationale). But even knowledge of motivation will do little to stop future would-be shooters from acting.

Of course, there are going to be more of these events. Many more, to the point where we should expect a few of these shootings each year. This IS NOT going to change or improve.

What's to be done?
If one is a leftist/democrat-communist, the answer is simple:
Repeal the Second Amendment, and ban and confiscate as many guns as possible.
They may get their wish someday (I sense the nation is on an almost irrevocable march towards socialism and eventually our own brand of American communism), but that's not happening any time soon.

But if one is a traditionalist, how to respond?

My conclusion:
There shouldn't be one, other than a struggle to maintain the status quo.
Whether this approach will be successful or not, hard to predict (see speculation about nation's future above).

Before going further, Fishrrman's credo:
"Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be".
(a struggle I wrestle with each day)

To apply the credo to the problem-at-hand:
There's essentially nothing we can do about these shootings, other than to acknowledge that they are "the cost of the freedom" we enjoy in regards to the Second Amendment. They are "the price we pay" for having our Second Amendment.

I personally accept that "as reality", and just... go on.

When the day comes that we (as traditionalists or conservatives) are no longer willing to accept and bear this price, that becomes the day we LOSE the freedom that the Second Amendment secures for us.

Is that day coming...?
Is it almost here...?


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So in the space of less than 48 hours,  we have innocents slaughtered by a white nationalist nutjob in Texas and (it appears) a socialist nutjob in Ohio.     The problem transcends partisanship, even as the anger that motivates these idiots may well have been encouraged by the lack of comity in today's partisan politics. 

I don't know whether the solution lies in more "gun control",  as the Post editorial suggests,  or just a return to civility after too many years of both parties indulging in politics as blood sport,  but is clear that many in this nation are sick of excuses and hand-wringing that "nothing can be done".   

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Bring back insane asylums and commit these sociopaths before they kill.
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Bring back insane asylums and commit these sociopaths before they kill.

But One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.

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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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I believe the leftists call this fearmongering.
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      It's a slippery slope from gun nut liberal to drunk ol white man with a gun he can't find, in time, so Yes I'm beginning to worry.
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Put this vignette in the "getting hit from all sides column."

Heard Stuart Varney early in his show on FBN this morning while I was getting ready to head out the door.

Everyone knows Stu...  he's a "good guy!"  Trump supporter....  proud to be a newly naturalized U.S. Citizen...  came over from the UK when he was a young adult...  often tells inspiring stories about how "fled from encroaching socialism in the UK" and is so proud to be in U.S. where capitalism reigns supreme and he can participate in the American Dream...   great guy all around, everyone loves Stu!!  Stu is a hale and hearty guy!! Hey, it's Stu!!

Well this morning good ol' Stu is holding up the cover of this Post article and bleating to his guest about how certain things must be now....  the Post, surely a Trump supporting newspaper....  definitely from the "conservative" side is now calling for an "assault weapons" ban!!  Yay!!  Yay!!  Surely now Mr. Trump will get the Republicans to act!!

Guest (who I did not see to identify) pushes back....

Stu looks crestfallen....  he suggests that there are many "polls" that suggest the people of this country all favor an "assault weapons" ban....

Guest pushes back some more...

Stu, clearly disappointed, brings out the "but the Post is a conservative voice...."


then I left...

But you can see, there are many people that just want Trump "to do something..."  to get this messy stuff out of the way....

In Stu's case, I suspect that it is partly a misunderstanding and lack of reverence for the Constitution since he was born and raised a Brit...  (though no doubt a very patriotic American now), and partly since he is a "stock market man," he doesn't like any of this messy political stuff to get in the way of "the markets."

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What's more frightening...a politician trying to subvert your Constitutional rights "for your own good"...or me and my family sitting next to you in a restaurant with my Sig P365 concealed under my shirt?
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What's more frightening...a politician trying to subvert your Constitutional rights "for your own good"...or me and my family sitting next to you in a restaurant with my Sig P365 concealed under my shirt?

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So in the space of less than 48 hours,  we have innocents slaughtered by a white nationalist nutjob in Texas and (it appears) a socialist nutjob in Ohio.     The problem transcends partisanship, even as the anger that motivates these idiots may well have been encouraged by the lack of comity in today's partisan politics. 

I don't know whether the solution lies in more "gun control",  as the Post editorial suggests,  or just a return to civility after too many years of both parties indulging in politics as blood sport,  but is clear that many in this nation are sick of excuses and hand-wringing that "nothing can be done".

Something for you to ponder @Jazzhead...I don't know your age, but I was born in the 50's.  I don't recall the push for gun control, didn't hear of mass shootings, didn't hear of illegals coming into the country, didn't hear of hatred and bigotry towards a president, or disrespect for the presidency.  So what changed? With LBJ (DEM) came race riots, with Clinton (DEM) we had a president who lied to the people and got away with it and destroyed reverance towards the presidency, with Obama (DEM)  he set us back in race relations with his comments on Treyvon Martin and others and his AG contributed as well.

The left has become more radical with each presidency in which they have lost; especially under this presidency.  What impact do you think that has on the liberals in our society? 

Take a look at what the left is doing and you are willing to entrust them with gun control and giving them the freedom to dismantle our 2nd amendment rights??  Seriously?? 
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What's more frightening...a politician trying to subvert your Constitutional rights "for your own good"...or me and my family sitting next to you in a restaurant with my Sig P365 concealed under my shirt?

The politician wanting to stomp on my rights for his own good.
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I was born in the 50's.  I don't recall the push for gun control, didn't hear of mass shootings, didn't hear of illegals coming into the country, didn't hear of hatred and bigotry towards a president, or disrespect for the presidency.


Come on. You know better. You had to be aware of the gun control act of 1968, Charles Whitman, Operation Wetback, and the division caused by Kennedy.
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Something for you to ponder @Jazzhead...I don't know your age, but I was born in the 50's.  I don't recall the push for gun control, didn't hear of mass shootings, didn't hear of illegals coming into the country, didn't hear of hatred and bigotry towards a president, or disrespect for the presidency.  So what changed? With LBJ (DEM) came race riots, with Clinton (DEM) we had a president who lied to the people and got away with it and destroyed reverance towards the presidency, with Obama (DEM)  he set us back in race relations with his comments on Treyvon Martin and others and his AG contributed as well.

The left has become more radical with each presidency in which they have lost; especially under this presidency.  What impact do you think that has on the liberals in our society? 

Take a look at what the left is doing and you are willing to entrust them with gun control and giving them the freedom to dismantle our 2nd amendment rights??  Seriously??

I was born in in the 50s as well,  @libertybele.  Even granting your "take" on how things have regressed over the years,  what strikes me is how little President Trump has done to reverse course.   To the contrary,  he's doubled down on the destruction of reverence for the Presidency,  the inflaming of race relations,  and the lying-and-getting-away-it.    Those of us who seek an alternative want a President who makes us proud, not one who makes us cringe.   
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I was born in in the 50s as well,  @libertybele.  Even granting your "take" on how things have regressed over the years,  what strikes me is how little President Trump has done to reverse course.   To the contrary,  he's doubled down on the destruction of reverence for the Presidency,  the inflaming of race relations,  and the lying-and-getting-away-it.    Those of us who seek an alternative want a President who makes us proud, not one who makes us cringe.   

At least you're no longer claiming you love the job he's done, you just think he's the wrong person to carry it forward in 2020.