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Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« on: July 29, 2019, 06:16:22 pm »
Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
https://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Senators-agree-to-spend-billions-on-electric-car-14193051.php
July 29, 2019

Republican and Democratic senators have agreed to pump billions of dollars in federal funding into building electric car charging stations and other infrastructure for low-emission vehicles.

Under an appropriations bill released by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Monday, the Transportation Department would distribute $3.5 billion over the next five years for projects that reduce carbon emissions from transportation. It would also hand out $1 billion in grants for infrastructure supporting vehicles powered by electricity, hydrogen or natural gas along designated sections of highway.

"This bipartisan legislation includes the first-ever climate title in a highway bill and would invest $10 billion in policies and innovative projects aimed at reducing emissions and enhancing resilience," Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., said in a statement.

The bill also calls for $4.9 billion in funding to protect roads and highways from natural disasters including hurricanes and wildfires, which scientists believe could increase in quantity as the planet warms....
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2019, 06:21:51 pm »
low-emission vehicles

What they gloss over how inefficient it is to make the electricity.

On average, you have 66% energy losses before it even gets to your house.



https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/flow/electricity.pdf
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2019, 07:53:50 pm »
Government - all levels - need to pull the plug on electric car subsidies of all forms. Except for puttering around town or for a moderate commute, the things are marginally useful POSs.
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2019, 08:04:06 pm »
Quote from: thackney on July 29, 2019, 06:21:51 pm
low-emission vehicles

What they gloss over how inefficient it is to make the electricity.

On average, you have 66% energy losses before it even gets to your house.



https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/flow/electricity.pdf

Where are the transmission losses?  Seems like it would be difficult to place in that graphic....
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2019, 08:13:14 pm »
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What they gloss over how inefficient it is to make the electricity.
What do you mean? Electricity comes out of the wall.
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2019, 08:16:38 pm »
 **nononono*
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2019, 08:29:40 pm »
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2019, 08:31:24 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on July 29, 2019, 07:53:50 pm
Government - all levels - need to pull the plug on electric car subsidies of all forms. Except for puttering around town or for a moderate commute, the things are marginally useful POSs.

 :yowsa: pointing-up

But then how would they continue to siphon OUR money off into THEIR pockets?
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2019, 09:09:08 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2019, 08:04:06 pm
Where are the transmission losses?  Seems like it would be difficult to place in that graphic....

@Cyber Liberty

The skinny line near the middle on the right, T & D, is Transmission and Distribution.  Basically it is all the losses between the power plant and your house. 
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2019, 09:14:19 pm »
Quote from: thackney on July 29, 2019, 06:21:51 pm
low-emission vehicles

What they gloss over how inefficient it is to make the electricity.

On average, you have 66% energy losses before it even gets to your house.



https://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/flow/electricity.pdf
Lost electricity contributes to Climate Change.
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2019, 09:17:10 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 29, 2019, 08:31:24 pm
:yowsa: pointing-up

But then how would they continue to siphon OUR money off into THEIR pockets?
Sorry, we just had a president who declared nobody earned whatever they made. And logically if you didn't earn it, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to them.  So there.
 *look* Now hand over all your swag to Big Government.   They know how to waste it...er...spend it better than you.
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2019, 09:24:41 pm »
Quote from: thackney on July 29, 2019, 09:09:08 pm
@Cyber Liberty

The skinny line near the middle on the right, T & D, is Transmission and Distribution.  Basically it is all the losses between the power plant and your house.

Thanks!  I expected a bigger slice for that....
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2019, 10:19:13 pm »
"the Transportation Department would distribute $3.5 billion over the next five years for projects that reduce carbon emissions from transportation."

Spend it on the border wall instead.

A lot more "emissions" comin' from all the illegals pouring into our country unimpeded. Let's cut them out!
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2019, 10:43:36 pm »
Nothing is as convincing that something is insufficiently capable to ever be commercial than its subsidization by the Government.

Leaving the government outside will achieve true value through competition and resourcefulness.

An example happening in the oil industry is displayed within this graphic that highlights the cost declines and productivity increases that happened across the USA in shale plays.



As a side note, this happened almost exclusively when a government was in control that was hostile to the industry, so you can bet there was no government subsidy.
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2019, 01:24:07 am »
Why is it that they are promoting Natural Gas? Don't they realize that burning natural gas pollutes the environment with Evil CO2?

If they can promote CH4 why can't they promote C3H8?
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Re: Senators agree to spend billions on electric car infrastructure
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2019, 01:28:51 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 29, 2019, 09:24:41 pm
Thanks!  I expected a bigger slice for that....

Remember the losses of Transmission are usually quoted as percentage after power plant.  It would be bigger in that comparison.  But 6~9% has been the national average for many years.
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