Yes, Mosques Matter, and No, They Are Not Just Like a Church

[Absalom]

1. Have you ever read the Qur'an? I have, in translation. It says much in regard to eternity and daily living.
2. "Islam Fan Club" sounds a lot like "J__ Lover" or "N_____ Lover". If you don't like that retort don't go there again, mmmkay?
I am not and never have been a Muslim. I have been in theologically conservative Evangelical my entire life and am a Christian believer. I should not need to say this, but I disagree with Islam and almost everything it teaches concerning God and mankind. As part of living and being a Christian, truth is important to me. That Islam is a religion is true; that it speaks to civil law and government does not change that fact, and Islam has that in common with Judaism. That most Muslims live peacefully wherever they live is true; they don't make the newspapers or TV "news", but being invisible is not being non-existent.
If reality inconveniences your perceptions of reality, the problem is with your perceptions, not reality.

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This is an opinion forum and I will go wherever I choose; subject
to the caveat that my opinions will be grounded is reality.
Suggest you try it on occasion, rather than your kindergarten fantasy.
As for record; I worked in Dhahran, Muscat, Dubai, Manama, Sabah
Mosul and Sana'a; among many in the Middle East, for some 2 decades.
While there, I became familiar w/the Koran and the inside of a Mosque.
The Middle East is the Third World because the Arabs surrendered control
to their authoritarian Mullahs, which use Islam to obliterate any creative impulse.
Why? Because the drivers of creativity are imagination and vision which they
perceive as a threat to their control and power.
Try the Library; it's the stone building w/the books inside.

[Bill Cipher]

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This is an opinion forum and I will go wherever I choose; subject
to the caveat that my opinions will be grounded is reality.
Suggest you try it on occasion, rather than your kindergarten fantasy.
As for record; I worked in Dhahran, Muscat, Dubai, Manama, Sabah
Mosul and Sana'a; among many in the Middle East, for some 2 decades.
While there, I became familiar w/the Koran and the inside of a Mosque.
The Middle East is the Third World because the Arab surrendered control
to their authoritarian Mullahs, which use Islam to obliterate any creative impulse.
Why? Because the drivers of creativity are innovation and vision which they
perceive as a threat to their control and power.
Try the Library; it's the stone building w/the books inside.

Wow.  Somebody with first-hand experience who clearly learned nothing from it. 

[skeeter]

Stating the necessary results of the facts that you took such pleasure in admitting to is not name-calling; it’s labelling you for what you are. 

I’m sorry that you don’t like the results, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.  You should change your views on people and start treating them like the individuals they are if you wish to avoid being labeled thusly.  It’s all up to you.  You can continue to stereotype millions of people without regard to their individual merits, or you can start to treat them as human beings with equal moral worth that they do not forfeit except on the basis of their own actions.  Or you can continue to be a bigot.

The sanctimonious come a dime a dozen these days, Bill. Especially around my neck of the woods. They're tedious and predictable & I've basically stopped caring what they think or the names they toss around. It's liberating.

[roamer_1]

1. Have you ever read the Qur'an? I have, in translation. It says much in regard to eternity and daily living.

@PeteS in CA
Yes I have. I have studied it, in fact. Your rather rosy painting thereof suggests you have not read the Hadiths... Hadiths authoritatively change the writings that came before. IOW, unlike the Bible, the Koran means nothing in it's historic original form. It's alterations in the tradition of the hadiths are what apply today.

That Islam is a religion is true; that it speaks to civil law and government does not change that fact, and Islam has that in common with Judaism. That most Muslims live peacefully wherever they live is true; they don't make the newspapers or TV "news", but being invisible is not being non-existent.

This IS true, but quite beside the point... History attests to how Islam grows and overtakes a nation. I would suggest you look at that before making any conclusions.

[Fishrrman]

From the article:
"The aim is not to fit in and embrace the values and beliefs of the host culture. The aim is to take over the nation, and foist Islamic values and beliefs on the kaffir (infidel) instead. It is about the establishment of a universal caliphate, and the spread of sharia law throughout the globe."

It's probably going to happen here, too, eventually.
Not because we don't have the wherewithal to stop it.
islam is ascendant in The West because Judeo/Christian culture (or what's left of that) no longer seems to have the WILL to stop it.

sharia creeps in -- inexorably -- as Western/Christian culture continues to recede.

We're seeing that in Europe right now, particularly in Britain, France, and Sweden.
Who could have believed that the English and Swedes would "submit" so readily?

I doubt any of the oldsters of this forum (like me) will actually see islam triumphant in America. But our grandkid's generation could see that in their elder years.

And once again I will post these images (which are INTENDED to be provocative and disturbing).

If we of The West are unwilling to do this:


We are going to end up with this:


There are no other choices.
There is no other way out of or around it.

You must... choose.

[Bill Cipher]

From the article:
"The aim is not to fit in and embrace the values and beliefs of the host culture. The aim is to take over the nation, and foist Islamic values and beliefs on the kaffir (infidel) instead. It is about the establishment of a universal caliphate, and the spread of sharia law throughout the globe."

It's probably going to happen here, too, eventually.
Not because we don't have the wherewithal to stop it.
islam is ascendant in The West because Judeo/Christian culture (or what's left of that) no longer seems to have the WILL to stop it.

sharia creeps in -- inexorably -- as Western/Christian culture continues to recede.

We're seeing that in Europe right now, particularly in Britain, France, and Sweden.
Who could have believed that the English and Swedes would "submit" so readily?

I doubt any of the oldsters of this forum (like me) will actually see islam triumphant in America. But our grandkid's generation could see that in their elder years.

And once again I will post these images (which are INTENDED to be provocative and disturbing).

If we of The West are unwilling to do this:


We are going to end up with this:


There are no other choices.
There is no other way out of or around it.

You must... choose.

Utter drivel. 

[PeteS in CA]

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Suggest you try it on occasion, rather than your kindergarten fantasy.
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Try the Library; it's the stone building w/the books inside.

   Cute insults. Try them on someone who gives a @#$%.   

[Absalom]

You’re not recognizing Islam for what it is, you’re tarring and feathering millions of people with a skewed stereotype of what Islam is for no reason other than your own prejudice.  You simply refuse, point blank, to judge people on their own individual merits.
That is what makes you a hater and a bigot.  It also makes you unchristian.

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Skeeter!
A brief anecdote of support while the urinary contest w/Morality Man rages.
Be aware that Cipher in Arabic translates as ZERO, per Merriam-Webster!!!!
Stay well and suggest you ignore the buffoons!!!!!

[Bigun]

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[sneakypete]

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This is an opinion forum and I will go wherever I choose; subject
to the caveat that my opinions will be grounded is reality.
Suggest you try it on occasion, rather than your kindergarten fantasy.
As for record; I worked in Dhahran, Muscat, Dubai, Manama, Sabah
Mosul and Sana'a; among many in the Middle East, for some 2 decades.
While there, I became familiar w/the Koran and the inside of a Mosque.
The Middle East is the Third World because the Arab surrendered control
to their authoritarian Mullahs, which use Islam to obliterate any creative impulse.
Why? Because the drivers of creativity are innovation and vision which they
perceive as a threat to their control and power.
Try the Library; it's the stone building w/the books inside.

@Absalom

 

[skeeter]

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Skeeter!
A brief anecdote of support while the urinary contest w/Morality Man rages.
Be aware that Cipher in Arabic translates as ZERO, per Merriam-Webster!!!!
Stay well and suggest you ignore the buffoons!!!!!

Much appreciated.

It will take more than a few unoriginal epithets to prevent me from exercising a little common sense.

[TomSea]

Japan banned Islam, who knows, so many years ago. There seems to be some discussion this as to how much this means, there are 7 Mosques there.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224011

China is now interring large numbers of Uighur Muslims in China.

Russia had its two wars in Chechnya.

Myanmar has had its very recent conflicts with Islam.  Africa and so on.

The obvious, Israel battles Islam, Egypt battles radical Islam. Attacks on the West, France, England, Germany, Belgium...USA.

It's no big deal if one ducks into a Pagoda, a house of Buddhist worship, just be respectful.

It's not hard to see how radical Islam is certainly a major problem. Every single day.

You have deep rooted radicalism but even aside from this...

Honor Killings? Female Genital Mutilation (not directly in the Koran I'm told), lots of problems. Who'd do that?

[Absalom]

Japan banned Islam, who knows, so many years ago. There seems to be some discussion this as to how much this means, there are 7 Mosques there.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224011
China is now interring large numbers of Uighur Muslims in China.
Russia had its two wars in Chechnya.
Myanmar has had its very recent conflicts with Islam.  Africa and so on.
The obvious, Israel battles Islam, Egypt battles radical Islam. Attacks on the West, France, England, Germany, Belgium...USA.
It's no big deal if one ducks into a Pagoda, a house of Buddhist worship, just be respectful.
It's not hard to see how radical Islam is certainly a major problem. Every single day.
You have deep rooted radicalism but even aside from this...
Honor Killings? Female Genital Mutilation (not directly in the Koran I'm told), lots of problems. Who'd do that?

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You've answered your question w/this litany.
Islam is an intolerant ideology and self-righteous neurosis, rather than a religion.
As such it shares many of the attitudes, impulses and sentiments of Marxism.

[fayec]

wherever there is a Muslim community there will be sharia, and wherever there is sharia, there is Islamization of the territory and ultimately the nation.

I do not believe muslims are compatible with our way of life & do not believe they should be allowed to immigrate here.

I realize that in todays social climate by saying this many consider me to be the one with the problem.

But in reality I'm the one showing respect to them and their beliefs by taking them at their word.

Of course they shouldn't be allowed to come here!  Christianity is still the dominant religion of Americans, and one of the Commandments of the Bible is, "There shalt have no other gods before thee." 
After they flew those planes into the World Trade Center it's as though we rewarded them by opening our doors to them and by allowing them to erect their Mosques all over this land.  As promised, God surely has turned us over to a reprobate mind. No wonder our nation is so messed up!

[Absalom]

Japan banned Islam, who knows, so many years ago. There seems to be some discussion this as to how much this means, there are 7 Mosques there.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224011
China is now interring large numbers of Uighur Muslims in China.
Russia had its two wars in Chechnya.
Myanmar has had its very recent conflicts with Islam.  Africa and so on.
The obvious, Israel battles Islam, Egypt battles radical Islam. Attacks on the West, France, England, Germany, Belgium...USA.
It's no big deal if one ducks into a Pagoda, a house of Buddhist worship, just be respectful.
It's not hard to see how radical Islam is certainly a major problem. Every single day.
You have deep rooted radicalism but even aside from this...
Honor Killings? Female Genital Mutilation (not directly in the Koran I'm told), lots of problems. Who'd do that?

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Moderator Tom Sea's list of nations is provocative and begs a question.
The largest Faith/Religion in the world is Catholicism/Christianity which was
spawned in the Fertile Crescent and later nurtured during the Roman Empire.
Greece and Rome, the creators of Western Civilization and the European
First World, were catalysts for the Art and Science that has allowed Mankind
to survive and thrive up to the present.
In contrast, the second largest denomination, Islam is concentrated across
the southern tier of Asia as well as large areas of Africa; all Third World!!!
Now reflect a moment and contrast the level of advancement and creativity
in the First versus the Third World!
Does the obvious answer not say volumes abut the impact of Beliefs on
both the body and soul in any culture/society?????
Might the Resident Scholars of the Islam Fan Club address the issue?????

[Bigun]

As has been stated here MANY times previously; "You cannot co-exist with those who only want to kill you!"

All one has to do is read to find out what Islam has in store for the Kaffir.  (A Kaffir is anyone who isn't one of them.)

[Absalom]

As has been stated here MANY times previously; "You cannot co-exist with those who only want to kill you!"
All one has to do is read to find out what Islam has in store for the Kaffir.  (A Kaffir is anyone who isn't one of them.)

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Bigun indeed!
Alexander the Great grasped that the people of the western Levant: Anatolia, Jordan,
Lebanon, Palestine and Syria; were not mortal enemies of Greece.
He further grasped that Persia was, which is why he engaged Darius at Gaugemela,
around 330 BC and crushed the Persian Empire forever.
Greece gave us Western Civilization while Persia (Iran) gave us sand!!!

[conservativevoter]

How about if I just call you an idiot/jerk?  September 11, 2001 changed me forever.  I was always taught to try and understand differences.... and then 9/11 happened.  One of my granddaughters deeply felt the same way.  No more.  People say that not all terrorists are muslims, but on that day (I saw it all happen in real time)  all terrorists WERE muslims.

Sorry (not really), but I think they should all go back to where they came from.   

[bigheadfred]

WATCH THIS VIDEO!

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,368420.msg2009684.html#msg2009684


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[bigheadfred]

Keep yourself up to date.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The last 30 DAYS.

During this time period, there were 95 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 596 people were killed and 945 injured.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVj72dmNvjAhVEoZ4KHccDB-oQjBAwAXoECAYQCQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thereligionofpeace.com%2Fattacks%2Fattacks.aspx%3FYr%3DLast30&usg=AOvVaw0QGSZKZ9y6zTG6rGbeY0RW

[sneakypete]

Keep yourself up to date.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

The last 30 DAYS.

During this time period, there were 95 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 596 people were killed and 945 injured.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiVj72dmNvjAhVEoZ4KHccDB-oQjBAwAXoECAYQCQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thereligionofpeace.com%2Fattacks%2Fattacks.aspx%3FYr%3DLast30&usg=AOvVaw0QGSZKZ9y6zTG6rGbeY0RW

@bigheadfred

Yes,but I am sure they were all killed or injured in the kindest,most loving ways.