Ted Cruz: 2020 election is a 'coin flip' for Trump

[HoustonSam]

AFAICS,there hasn't been an actual Republican in control of anything more important than lunch money since,yet half the retards here and on the other political boards are STILL insisting we vote for anybody with a R behind his or her name. I honestly think those fools would get orgasmic with joy if Bubbette! or the tranny known as Michelle would hold a press conference,announce they had seen the errors of their ways,and are now Republicans. Chances are either would be leading in the polls within 24 hours.

I'm sure this forum hardly needs to be reminded that anyone who didn't support Trump was accused of supporting Hillary.  We had to support him because he was the R, and if we didn't support him then we were Ds.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It is often called cutting off your nose, to spite your face.

Here is another factor that makes the worst "RINO" worth more than a Dem: that RINO will appear in the headcount that determines which party is the majority.  The way that both chambers function, there is no reasonable chance at moving favorable legislation from the minority position.

@Maj. Bill Martin

@EdJames

Exactly.  And I fully support trying to replace squishy RINO's with conservatives wherever possible.  It's just that it's not always possible because sometimes, the voters in that state/voting district won't elect one.  Again, that's not the fault of the party -- it's just that the voters aren't as conservative as we'd like them to be.

[Sanguine]

You guys are making way too much sense.

[txradioguy]

Since the day Trump rode down the escalator his apologists have been telling us what he really means, what he's actually saying, what is truly in his mind.  Every time he says something stupid his sycophants rush to the mikes and keyboards to translate his latest gaffe and touch up the veneer of strategic genius they have painted on him.  Amazingly, he's a "very stable genius" who seems completely incapable of speaking clearly for himself.  Just as the progressives projected onto Obama what they wanted him to be, so do Trump's acolytes project onto Trump what they want *him* to be.

The veneer is transparent; there is no strategic genius underneath it.  Trump ran as a deal maker but the only deal he's been able to make is the same kind of deal other politicians have been making for generations and that any of the other R candidates could have made had they won the White House - spend more money.  There is simply no reason to believe that Trump has any Grand Strategy to rein in federal spending.  He did not run as a fiscal conservative, he has never articulated fiscal conservatism, and he has not delivered fiscal restraint.

He's earned my 2020 vote on the judiciary, and I'll defend him against false charges of racism.  But he is what he is, and he's not what he's not.  Fiscal hawk and strategic genius are in the latter category.

QFT

[roamer_1]

He comes from the business world where the bottom line still means something.

Riiight. That's where he files bankruptcy.
 

[txradioguy]

Riiight. That's where he files bankruptcy.
 

Clearly he doesn't think much of the bottom line if he's going along with this Pelosi/McConnell debt increasing POS spending bill.

[roamer_1]

Clearly he doesn't think much of the bottom line if he's going along with this Pelosi/McConnell debt increasing POS spending bill.

AGAIN.

That's right.
 

[Bigun]

@EdJames

 it's just that the voters aren't as conservative as we'd like them to be.

I don't think that is so.  I think they are not anywhere near as informed as they should be and purposefully so.

[TomSea]

Check the recprd, Trump never ran as a small government politician though we have gotten some of that with decreases regulation, he ran on increasing the infrastructure with some big project. He said he'd do that, it's hardly a Rand Paul type of view at that.

[aligncare]

Check the recprd, Trump never ran as a small government politician though we have gotten some of that with decreases regulation, he ran on increasing the infrastructure with some big project. He said he'd do that, it's hardly a Rand Paul type of view at that.

Good point. He never ran as a budget hawk. The cord he struck with voters and that swept him into office was immigration and border security and America First foreign policy.

But, I have no doubt that shrinking the size and scope of fedgov is an underlying objective of his. I think that naturally entails reduction in the budget and overall U.S. debt. That’s gonna take a long time to unwind. Unless one is a NeverTrumper. Then, he should’ve gotten it done in the first 100 days.

[roamer_1]

Good point. He never ran as a budget hawk. The cord he struck with voters and that swept him into office was immigration and border security and America First foreign policy.

The hell he didn't.
Balanced budget in four, five, eight, or 10 years.
All bullcrap.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't think that is so.  I think they are not anywhere near as informed as they should be and purposefully so.

That may be true as well.  But the bottom line is that voters, themselves, are failing to cast enough votes for conservatives.  And that's on them/us.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Good point. He never ran as a budget hawk. The cord he struck with voters and that swept him into office was immigration and border security and America First foreign policy.

But, I have no doubt that shrinking the size and scope of fedgov is an underlying objective of his. I think that naturally entails reduction in the budget and overall U.S. debt. That’s gonna take a long time to unwind. Unless one is a NeverTrumper. Then, he should’ve gotten it done in the first 100 days.

I think Trump has done an excellent job in terms of reducing how much government interferes in our lives via administrative regulations.

The problem with the budget/spending is politics.  We're in the middle of the longest peacetime expansion in history, and by all expectations, should be entering a downturn.  That hasn't yet happened.  But if it does happen at this point in the election cycle, the Dems will sweep.  So, Trump has been more willing to deficit spend to keep things humming along - at least until the election.  Who knows what will happen after that if he wins.  Certainly, if he loses, the economy will see a massive downturn when the pro-business Trump Administration is replaced by Socialists/Socialists-lite.  Could actually be catastrophically bad as businesses retrench/batten down the hatches.

Anyway, Trump hasn't tried austerity because the political repercussions in the short term would be cataclysmic.  Not quite sure how I feel about that, to be honest.

[txradioguy]

Check the recprd, Trump never ran as a small government politician though we have gotten some of that with decreases regulation, he ran on increasing the infrastructure with some big project. He said he'd do that, it's hardly a Rand Paul type of view at that.

"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”

At his official campaign launch address in 2015, Trump told supporters he would apply his business acumen to federal fiscal policy, right from the get-go, saying he would “reduce our $18 trillion in debt, because, believe me, we’re in a bubble.”

After the last two-year deal Mr. Trump vowed never to sign another one, but here he is again.

[jpsb]

"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”

Remind me again, who controls how much the gov spends?

[aligncare]

The hell he didn't.
Balanced budget in four, five, eight, or 10 years.
All bullcrap.

So let me get this straight. Trump promised to build the wall, rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, and build up the military to pre-Obama levels—and take care of our veterans, and did all this while running as a budget hawk?

No wonder you didn’t vote for him. You’re confused.

[txradioguy]

Remind me again, who controls how much the gov spends?

Remind me again what excuses are like?

[txradioguy]

So let me get this straight. Trump promised to build the wall, rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, and build up the military to pre-Obama levels—and take care of our veterans, and did all this while running as a budget hawk?

No wonder you didn’t vote for him. You’re confused.

Do you ever get dizzy spinning so much.

All of the things you keep getting reminded of that Trump said and you took as the Gospel were the reasons you and others kept telling us were the reasons to vote for him!

I guess you were too busy accusing the ones that were skeptical about all the promises he made of being Hillary voters.

[roamer_1]

So let me get this straight. Trump promised to build the wall, rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, and build up the military to pre-Obama levels—and take care of our veterans, and did all this while running as a budget hawk?

No wonder you didn’t vote for him. You’re confused.

No I am not. That is exactly what he did. Part of why I didn't believe him... Promising everything to everyone is a sure sign of a con.

Turns out I was right, too.

[Absalom]

Hmm..........10 pages, and counting, of pro and con Trump posts. Lord have mercy!
Reflections from history:
* earliest Man intuited a patriarchal/matriarchal family unit from Natural Law; which
later became the model for Monarchy.
* then around 9000 BC he transitioned from hunter gatherer to raising crops and
domesticating livestock.
* next came his movement from land rover to sited towns and then cities.
Then the first Monarchies emerged in the Fertile Crescent, a form of governance/rule
ruling for the next 11,000 years till 1750 AD; the latter representing but 2% of that time.
Is it any wonder we produce and select noisy buffoons like Trump, as well as most
of the assholery that preceded him, when our measure of excellence is the present???
The lessons of history clearly demonstrate that true greatness existed in the previous 98%
of the time, which we are utterly obvious to!

[Night Hides Not]

"We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”

At his official campaign launch address in 2015, Trump told supporters he would apply his business acumen to federal fiscal policy, right from the get-go, saying he would “reduce our $18 trillion in debt, because, believe me, we’re in a bubble.”

After the last two-year deal Mr. Trump vowed never to sign another one, but here he is again.

That was then, this is now.

 

[sneakypete]

That was then, this is now.

 

@Night Hides Not

That was when he was new to politics,and so naive he actually thought the politicians would like to save the taxpayers money.

Actually they do. In their own bank accounts.

[Night Hides Not]

@Night Hides Not

That was when he was new to politics,and so naive he actually thought the politicians would like to save the taxpayers money.

Actually they do. In their own bank accounts.

Naïve is one adjective never associated with Donald Trump, and I don't think we should be starting now.

[sneakypete]

Naïve is one adjective never associated with Donald Trump, and I don't think we should be starting now.

@Night Hides Not

He is a life-long business man, <Insult Removed>. People in business understand the value of making money and saving money.

Unlike politicians,who are used to scamming taxpayer money and have never been known to try to save even a nickel.