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Why Does New York State Continue to Misstate the Citizenship Requirement for President?

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jmyrlefuller:
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Here come the birthers and their made-up definitions again.

The_Reader_David:
Why?  Because they are taking the position that the ill-defined "natural born citizen" should be regarded as analogous to Blackstone's "natural subjects", rather than Vattel's "natives", under which view of its meaning, they are not misstating the requirements to be President and Vice-President, but simply stating them in clearer terms.

Bigun:

--- Quote from: The_Reader_David on July 02, 2019, 01:33:44 am ---Why?  Because they are taking the position that the ill-defined "natural born citizen" should be regarded as analogous to Blackstone's "natural subjects", rather than Vattel's "natives", under which view of its meaning, they are not misstating the requirements to be President and Vice-President, but simply stating them in clearer terms.

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England has Kings as Queens and the order of succession is well known. Not so in the USA. The founders thoroughly understood the issue and relied on Vattel's definition.

The_Reader_David:

--- Quote from: Bigun on July 02, 2019, 01:47:46 am ---England has Kings as Queens and the order of succession is well known. Not so in the USA. The founders thoroughly understood the issue and relied on Vattel's definition.

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I have never seen any evidence that the Founders actually relied on Vattel, rather than on notions existing under the Common Law.  And did you even read what I wrote?  Blackstone was commenting on the Common Law as to who was naturally subject to the Crown, the British analogue of citizenship, not on succession to the throne.  And while the Founders were very clear that after independence the Common Law of these United States was not identical to British Common Law, the basic notions of British Common Law were presuppositions of the Constitution (as for instance in the Constitutions' discussion of habeas corpus).

Gefn:

--- Quote from: Bigun on July 02, 2019, 01:47:46 am ---England has Kings as Queens and the order of succession is well known. Not so in the USA. The founders thoroughly understood the issue and relied on Vattel's definition.

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The weird thing is that today we see the Royals like movie stars. All those tabloids in the supermarket serve stories by the dozens on them. And what of course they are wearing.

 

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