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Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« on: June 21, 2019, 09:55:49 pm »
Will we ever have another veteran as president?
By Rory E. Riley-Topping, opinion contributor — 06/21/19 05:30 PM EDT

It is unlikely that we will ever have a veteran of the Vietnam War as president. Although there are 24 democrats currently vying for the 2020 nomination, the three that are military veterans all served in the post-9/11 era.

Of those that came of age in the Vietnam era, Joe Biden received five student draft deferments, and Bernie Sanders filed for conscientious objector status (although his petition was ultimately rejected, by the time of the ruling, Sanders was too old to be drafted). Similarly, President Trump also received several student deferments and ultimately received a medical disqualification.

Prior to the 2020 election, we’ve had several presidential candidates we had who served in Vietnam. The most successful of those, John Kerry in 2004 (who renounced the war) and John McCain in 2008 (who embraced it), both lost their elections. 


So, what does the “bamboo ceiling” tell us about our presidential politics, particularly at such a tense and divisive time in our history?

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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2019, 05:56:47 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on June 21, 2019, 09:55:49 pm



So, what does the “bamboo ceiling” tell us about our presidential politics, particularly at such a tense and divisive time in our history?


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Nothing. People LIKE to pretend they care about veterans,but that is mostly because they think they are expected to care about veterans. The reality is most people only care about themselves,and some don't even care about themselves because they expect the government to do that for them.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2019, 11:01:08 pm »
I always wished Stormin Norman would have run.

And Colin Powell could have been President - all sides liked him.  Now I am very glad we were able to dodge that bullet with his radical stances displayed since he had a high profile.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2019, 01:53:15 am »
The title leaves out an important word.  "Vietnam."  There are scads of Vets who hail from the GWOT that would make great candidates someday.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 06:34:21 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2019, 11:01:08 pm


And Colin Powell could have been President - all sides liked him.

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Say WHAT? He was Henry K's token darkie and buttboy,period. IIRC,he was due to have been passed over for promotion until Henry K decided he needed a dark assistant to prove he isn't prejudiced. Powell was totally useless as an army officer and never saw a day of combat in his life. He sucked so totally the South Vietnamese didn't even put him in for any awards at the end of his 1 year tour as an "advisor" to a SVN Army unit. Mostly because he refused to leave the safety of the camp and go out on combat missions with them.

He should change his name to "Token".
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2019, 06:53:10 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2019, 11:01:08 pm
I always wished Stormin Norman would have run.

And Colin Powell could have been President - all sides liked him.  Now I am very glad we were able to dodge that bullet with his radical stances displayed since he had a high profile.

People liked him well enough until he made his racialist endorsement of Obastard for President, the reason being "We need a black person in there."
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2019, 07:10:08 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 23, 2019, 06:53:10 pm
People liked him well enough until he made his racialist endorsement of Obastard for President, the reason being "We need a black person in there."

@Cyber Liberty

No more than a token darkie to make Kissinger look like he was open-minded. Ironically enough,Colon started by carrying his bags and opening doors for him. Then the media turned this loser that SHOULD have been booted out of the army for incompetence and cowardice into some sort of national symbol of black achievement,and it was off to the races for him.

I repeat. He is the ONLY officer I ever heard of that spent a year with a foreign army as an observer and advisor,and failed to be put in even for a "thanks for being here and not stealing our treasury" award. He got NOTHING.

IIRC,he did get a Bronze Star for meritorious service and a Purple Heart on his second tour when he happened to be in a transport helicopter that crashed due to mechanical failure (NOT shot down),and he put himself in for both of those. By then he was on the Division Staff working directly under the commanding General,and was known to be under Kissinger's wing,so they let him get away with it.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2019, 09:36:13 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on June 22, 2019, 11:01:08 pm
I always wished Stormin Norman would have run.

And Colin Powell could have been President - all sides liked him.  Now I am very glad we were able to dodge that bullet with his radical stances displayed since he had a high profile.



I liked Powell until he went with race over principle.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2019, 09:37:38 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 23, 2019, 01:53:15 am
The title leaves out an important word.  "Vietnam."  There are scads of Vets who hail from the GWOT that would make great candidates someday.




That's the truth.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2019, 10:23:13 pm »
I Sailed wrote:
"I always wished Stormin Norman would have run."

I recall a long time ago a comment made by Norman Swarzkopf regarding Powell's performance during Desert Storm.

If my memory serves me, Swarzkopf complained that Powell "had no stomach for war".

Probably an accurate assessment.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2019, 05:49:16 pm »
Quote from: berdie on June 23, 2019, 09:36:13 pm


I liked Powell until he went with race over principle.
Everyone liked him.  Good bearing, military, good speaker.  Presidential-looking outwardly.

What we did not like is what learned of his innards.  His political bent did not agree with those of most Americans.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2019, 07:00:06 pm »
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Will we ever have another veteran as president?

Yes! Should Dan Crenshaw decide to pursue the office at some future time.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2019, 07:54:22 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on June 25, 2019, 07:00:06 pm
Yes! Should Dan Crenshaw decide to pursue the office at some future time.

He's one I have my eye on.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 08:06:38 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 25, 2019, 07:54:22 pm
He's one I have my eye on.

 :thud:

I like him as well.
He won in a tough district with the Establishment behind someone else.
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Re: Will we ever have another veteran as president?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2019, 08:40:23 pm »
I hate to tinkle on anyone's parade (not really),but what makes veterans special?

BTW,I am a veteran myself.

Seems to me that temperment and experience maneuvering political minefields are more important than maneuvering around actual minefields.

BTW-2,I am NOT saying any future President SHOULDN'T be a veteran,either.
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