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Trump is president, his duty is to this country and to protect it against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic

If Ted believes the oath he took … it's also HIS duty to this country to protect it against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic @libertybele

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Never did I mention that the President has the authority to create bills.  Never.  What I did say is as commander in Chief Trump has the authority and it IS his job to secure this country and protect its citizens.

Definitely not making excuses, especially since I indicated that rather than Cruz criticize, he should come up with a solution. But, I also believe he has every right and an obligation to his constituents in TX.  Trump isn't going to listen to Cruz anyways.  Never has.

From what I understand, @jpsb is a constituent,  from what I understand, you are not.  You may be of Senator Rubio's.

Which again, brings us to the point, nobody says what you do about this border situation. Immigration hawks are out there and they are not criticizing the president on this. Like Gohmert as mentioned previously. They are US Senators, so the situation is different than if it was a State Senator in TX.

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The President has the ultimate authority, a senator does NOT. 
 

True @libertybele   But can you tell me what Teddy's been doing in the Senate to unify it around the President's proposed revised immigration plan?  Has he been building up support among the Republican caucus?  Is he shaking hands and talking with his colleagues over a beer?  Has become a leader in the Senate on this … or any other issue?   

Seriously, other than growing a beard what has the good Senator accomplished?

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True @libertybele   But can you tell me what Teddy's been doing in the Senate to unify it around the President's proposed revised immigration plan?  Has he been building up support among the Republican caucus?  Is he shaking hands and talking with his colleagues over a beer?  Has become a leader in the Senate on this … or any other issue?   

Seriously, other than growing a beard what has the good Senator accomplished?

Possibly. Also, it's no secret, Trump and Cruz have been somewhat allies, Cruz was one of the politicians who was invited to Jerusalem. That is all pretty superficial knowledge of the whole thing.

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If Ted believes the oath he took … it's also HIS duty to this country to protect it against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic @libertybele

Yes, I get that, but a Senator has no authority to command the military.  The governor of TX has the authority to call out the national guard, not a Senator.
Romans 12:16-21

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True @libertybele   But can you tell me what Teddy's been doing in the Senate to unify it around the President's proposed revised immigration plan?  Has he been building up support among the Republican caucus?  Is he shaking hands and talking with his colleagues over a beer?  Has become a leader in the Senate on this … or any other issue?   

Seriously, other than growing a beard what has the good Senator accomplished?

I did your work for you.  Cruz is doing his job period.  I stopped, realizing the amount of space being taken up ... but you get the idea.

 --Cruz prohibited the U.S. from giving visas to U.N diplomats that previously engaged in terrorist or espionage activities against the United States. The bill came in response to Iran naming a U.N ambassador that was tied to the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

When the Republicans took the Senate back in 2015, Cruz became chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Space. In that position, he shepherded the U.S. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act through Congress. The bill, intended to encourage the development of the commercial space sector, originally passed as House legislation, but Cruz authored the companion bill in the Senate.

Cruz has had three bills enacted under Trump. The first was a bill reauthorizing NASA that passed the Senate unanimously. The second was a measure to give tax breaks to victims of three hurricanes — Harvey, Irma and Maria — a measure that was incorporated into a larger House relief package that the president signed.

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On March 21, 2017 President Donald Trump signed the bipartisan Cruz-Nelson NASA Transition Authorization Act of 2017 into law.

"The NASA Transition Authorization Act of 2017 will restore stability and certainty to NASA and the future of the U.S. space program,” Sen. Cruz said. “Space exploration has fostered extraordinary economic growth and job creation for the State of Texas and the entire nation. Drafted and passed in a bipartisan manner, this legislation enables commercial space ventures to flourish and ensures NASA has the clarity of purpose and confidence it needs to continue to grow and improve upon what it does best: lead the world in space exploration. By charting an ambitious course for the manned exploration of the moon, Mars and beyond, this legislation champions America’s leadership in space, and ensures the Johnson Space Center remains the crown jewel of NASA’s human spaceflight missions. I am grateful for my colleagues’ dedication to the future of our nation’s leadership in space, and commend the President for signing this legislation into law.”

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Date    Bill No.    Bill Title    Outcome    Vote
May 23, 2019    HR 2157    Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(85 - 8)    Yea
May 16, 2019    PN 526    Nomination of Jeffrey Rosen to be Deputy Attorney General for the Department of Justice    Senate
(52 - 45)    Yea
May 15, 2019    PN 526    Nomination of Jeffrey Rosen to be Deputy Attorney General for the Department of Justice    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(52 - 44)    Did Not Vote
May 2, 2019    S J Res 7    A joint resolution to direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress    Veto Override Failed - Senate
(53 - 45)    Nay
April 11, 2019    PN 503    Nomination of David Bernhardt as the Secretary of the Interior    Senate
(56 - 41)    Yea
April 10, 2019    PN 503    Nomination of David Bernhardt as the Secretary of the Interior    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(56 - 41)    Yea
March 26, 2019    S J Res 8    A joint resolution recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal    Cloture Invoked - Senate    Nay
March 14, 2019    H J Res 46    Relating to a national emergency declared by the President on February 15, 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(59 - 41)    Nay
March 13, 2019    S J Res 7    A joint resolution to direct the removal of United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been authorized by Congress    Bill Passed - Senate
(54 - 46)    Nay
Feb. 28, 2019    PN 22    Nomination of Andrew Wheeler to be Administrator of Environmental Protection Agency    Senate
(52 - 47)    Yea
Feb. 27, 2019    PN 22    Nomination of Andrew Wheeler to be Administrator of Environmental Protection Agency    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(52 - 46)    Yea
Feb. 14, 2019    H J Res 31    Making further continuing appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for fiscal year 2019, and for other purposes    Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(83 - 16)    Nay
Feb. 14, 2019    PN 17    Nomination of William Pelham Barr to be Attorney General of the Department of Justice    Senate
(54 - 45)    Yea
Feb. 12, 2019    PN 17    Nomination of William Pelham Barr to be Attorney General of the Department of Justice    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(55 - 44)    Yea
Feb. 12, 2019    S 47    Natural Resources Management Act    Bill Passed - Senate
(92 - 8)    Nay
Feb. 5, 2019    S 1    Strengthening America's Security in the Middle East Act of 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(77 - 23)    Yea
Jan. 3, 2019    S 1    Strengthening America's Security in the Middle East Act of 2019    Senate    Co-sponsor
Dec. 18, 2018    S 756    First Step Act of 2018    Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate
(87 - 12)    Yea
Dec. 13, 2018    S J Res 54    To Direct the Removal of United States Armed Forces from Hostilities in the Republic of Yemen that have not been Authorized by Congress    Bill Passed - Senate
(56 - 41)    Nay
Dec. 12, 2018    S J Res 64    A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of the Treasury relating to "Returns by Exempt Organizations and Returns by Certain Non-Exempt Organizations"    Bill Passed - Senate
(50 - 49)    Nay
Dec. 11, 2018    HR 2    Agriculture and Nutrition Act of 2018    Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(87 - 13)    Yea
Dec. 11, 2018    PN 1803    Nomination of Justin George Muzinich to be Deputy Director of the Department of the Treasury    Senate
(55 - 44)    Yea
Dec. 11, 2018    PN 2117    Nomination of Jonathan A. Kobes to the Eighth Circuit Court    Senate
(51 - 50)    Yea
Dec. 10, 2018    PN 1803    Nomination of Justin George Muzinich to be Deputy Director of the Department of the Treasury    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(55 - 43)    Yea
Dec. 6, 2018    PN 2170    Nomination of Kathleen Laura Kraninger to be the Director of the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection    Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
Nov. 29, 2018    PN 2117    Nomination of Jonathan A. Kobes to the Eighth Circuit Court    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
Nov. 29, 2018    PN 2170    Nomination of Kathleen Laura Kraninger to be the Director of the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
Oct. 6, 2018    PN 2259    Nomination of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court of the United States    Senate
(50 - 48)    Yea
Oct. 5, 2018    PN 2259    Nomination of Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court of the United States    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(51 - 49)    Yea
Sept. 18, 2018    HR 6157    Department of Defense and Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations Act, 2019    Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(93 - 7)    Yea
Sept. 17, 2018    HR 6    Opioid Crisis Response Act of 2018    Bill Passed - Senate
(99 - 1)    Yea
Sept. 17, 2018    S 2554    Patient Right to Know Drug Prices Act    Bill Passed - Senate
(98 - 2)    Yea
Sept. 12, 2018    HR 5895    Energy and Water, Legislative Branch, and Military Construction and Veterans Affairs Appropriations Act, 2019    Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(92 - 5)    Yea
Aug. 23, 2018    HR 6157    Department of Defense and Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education Appropriations Act, 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(85 - 7)    Did Not Vote
Aug. 23, 2018    S Amdt 3967    Senator Rand Paul's Amendment to H.R. 6157    Senate    Co-sponsor
Aug. 23, 2018    S Amdt 3967    Senator Rand Paul's Amendment to H.R. 6157    Amendment Rejected - Senate
(45 - 48)    Did Not Vote
Aug. 1, 2018    HR 5515    National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019    Conference Report Adopted - Senate
(87 - 10)    Yea
Aug. 1, 2018    HR 6147    Interior, Environment, Financial Services, and General Government Appropriations Act, 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(92 - 6)    Nay
July 19, 2018    S Res 584    A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate against the making available of current and former diplomats, officials, and members of the Armed Forces of the United States for questioning by the government of Vladimir Putin.    Bill Passed - Senate
(98 - 0)    Yea
July 18, 2018    PN 1645    Nomination of Andrew S. Oldham to be United States Circuit Judge for the 5th Circuit    Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
July 17, 2018    PN 1391    Nomination of James Blew to Assistant Secretary for Planning, Evaluation, and Policy Development for the Department of Education    Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
July 17, 2018    PN 1645    Nomination of Andrew S. Oldham to be United States Circuit Judge for the 5th Circuit    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(50 - 49)    Yea
July 11, 2018    PN 1402    Nomination of Brian Allen Benczkowski to be Assistant Attorney General    Senate
(51 - 48)    Yea
July 10, 2018    PN 1402    Nomination of Brian Allen Benczkowski to be Assistant Attorney General    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(51 - 48)    Yea
June 28, 2018    HR 2    Agriculture and Nutrition Act of 2018    Bill Passed - Senate
(86 - 11)    Yea
June 20, 2018    HR 3    Spending Cuts to Expired and Unnecessary Programs Act    Bill Failed - Senate
(48 - 50)    Yea
June 18, 2018    HR 5515    National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019    Bill Passed - Senate
(85 - 10)    Yea
May 17, 2018    PN 1857    Nomination of Gina Haspel to be Director of the Central Intelligence Agency    Cloture Invoked - Senate
(54 - 44)    Yea
May 17, 2018    PN 1857    Nomination of Gina Haspel to be Director of the Central Intelligence Agency    Senate
(54 - 45)    Yea
May 16, 2018    S J Res 52    A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to "Restoring Internet Freedom"

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Romans 12:16-21

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Oh heck, it was enough for me that he beat Beto. Lol

Good job @libertybele !
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Yes, I get that, but a Senator has no authority to command the military.  The governor of TX has the authority to call out the national guard, not a Senator.

The Senator has the responsibility to do whatever is in his power to protect me.  Cruz has failed to do this. @libertybele

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I did your work for you. 

Well, you did a lot of work @libertybele but none of it answers my question:  I asked what has Cruz accomplished, not what has introduced and failed to get passed.

But I do appreciate the effort.   :beer:

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The Senator has the responsibility to do whatever is in his power to protect me.  Cruz has failed to do this. @libertybele

AND President Trump is  Commander in chief and it IS his job to protect this country.  Quit deflecting and placing blame on a Senator when it is ultimately the President's job.
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Well, you did a lot of work @libertybele but none of it answers my question:  I asked what has Cruz accomplished, not what has introduced and failed to get passed.

But I do appreciate the effort.   :beer:

Oh good grief.  *****rollingeyes*****  You are missing the point.  SENATOR Cruz IS doing his job!!!!! Period.   Trying to blame a Senator for not doing the work of the President is pretty lame @Right_in_Virginia
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This is hilarious.  I thought Ted was all forgiven once he boarded the Trump Train. 

I guess once a passenger goes against Trump, he gets kicked off the train. 

Serves Ted right for screwing those who supported him through all the Trump mudslinging in 2016 by bowing down to the guy who tried to destroy him -- just so he could get re-elected to the senate.

Ted is reaping what he has sown.

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As much as it pains me to do so,and it DOES pain me,I have to give a little cover  on Cruz on this one. I ain't happy about it,but I understand why he is doing it. To do ANYTHING to cut down the flow of illegals,illegal drugs,illegal weapons,enemy agents,etc,etc,etc across our borders,he MUST REMAIN IN OFFICE.

Chances are if he came out hard for tariffs,he would no longer be a US Senator after the next election.

I don't really like OR trust Cruz,but don't really see him having any choices here.
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Yes he is, President Trump is trying to force Mexico to secure it's border with the US. Cruz is opposing
our president on that. Cruz is effectively siding with the drug cartels that want to keep the border open.
 

@jpsb

And his only other option is to support the tariffs and lose his Senate seat the next cycle to either an alleged Republican opponent in the primary,or a Dim in the general.

How effective will he be shutting down the border to illegals once he is out of office?
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Cruz's position is just like John Cornyn's position, the other US Senator of Texas and as far as that goes,every other border state Senator including Arizona Republican McSally, she is largely against tariffs in this instance:
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Ducey, McSally react to news of Trump's Mexico import tariff plan

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Sen. Martha McSally issued a statement on Friday saying she does "not support these types of tariffs, which will harm our economy and be passed onto Arizona small businesses and families.

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/gov-ducey-reacts-to-news-of-trump-s-mexico-import-tariff-plan

So, this is about biting the bullet which people do not care to do, it's understandable. It's like trading with China or Cuba, if you pull out or impose tariffs, some vendors will be hurt.

Spare me the fainting couches and melodramatics, it's not the end of the world.

But I Hope some will see this in a fair light, those expecting for the wall to be built all by Trump should heed this as well.

Mexico has us over a barrel, it's really hard to act on the commerce side of it but what to do? Basically nothing has been done for years, yes, there are some band-aid approaches doing fairly little.

Reading the rest of the article, lots of tourism in Arizona and a lot of it comes from Mexico understandably, Grand Canyon, etc.
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The Senator has the responsibility to do whatever is in his power to protect me.  Cruz has failed to do this. @libertybele

Senator Cruz has kept his promise to me, mostly by beating Beto last year. Had he failed, this entire discussion would evaporate into nothingness, not that anti-Cruzers have added much heft to the debate.
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AND President Trump is  Commander in chief and it IS his job to protect this country.  Quit deflecting and placing blame on a Senator when it is ultimately the President's job.

Quit expecting the President to behave like dictator …. the President needs Congress so send a text to your superstar senator cruz and tell him to start working with the President for the American people.   :patriot:

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Oh good grief.  *****rollingeyes*****  You are missing the point.  SENATOR Cruz IS doing his job!!!!! Period.   

Introducing legislation w/o having the leadership skills to see it passed, at least in the Senate, is a waste of time.  But I will give Cruz credit here:  he's grown one hell of good beard.   :patriot:

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Quit expecting the President to behave like dictator …. the President needs Congress so send a text to your superstar senator cruz and tell him to start working with the President for the American people.   :patriot:

Exactly and also, I've heard the line "If a Conservative runs as the GOP nominee"... well, guess what? Top ranked conservatives per those CR Conservative Review ratings have been stingy about the wall and that means Senators Paul and Lee.  So, let's get real.

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I did your work for you.  Cruz is doing his job period.  I stopped, realizing the amount of space being taken up ... but you get the idea.

 --Cruz prohibited the U.S. from giving visas to U.N diplomats that previously engaged in terrorist or espionage activities against the United States. The bill came in response to Iran naming a U.N ambassador that was tied to the Iranian Hostage Crisis....

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135705/ted-cruz

Dayum, @libertybele!  That is impressive.  Thanks for bringing a large dose of reality to the thread. 

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Well, you did a lot of work @libertybele but none of it answers my question:  I asked what has Cruz accomplished, not what has introduced and failed to get passed.

But I do appreciate the effort.   :beer:

Good grief.  He's not doing what you want (and what is NOT his job), so he's a failure.   *****rollingeyes*****

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Oh, and for the record, I think Cruz is wrong on this.  I think he should support the tariff effort.

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Quit expecting the President to behave like dictator …. the President needs Congress so send a text to your superstar senator cruz and tell him to start working with the President for the American people.   :patriot:

??? Dictator?  Yes see him utilizing his authority as Commander in Chief as being a dictator?  Really??  You know better @Right_in_Virginia
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Nothing punishes China quite like raising taxes on American consumers.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Nothing punishes China quite like raising taxes on American consumers.

@Hoodat, you know I love you, but do you expect us to fix the problem with no effort or pain on our part?