June 10th, United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into the US from Mexico

[Applewood]

Seems you are still confused on how it works.  What legislative bills can Trump approve other than what is passed by Congress?

 

For the umpteenth time:    Yes, I know he can't originate and pass legislation.  That job belongs to congress.  But as I've said a million times already -- he could have worked with congress to get them moving. 

I n suggest you read corbe's post about NCLB.  President Bush showed with that legislation how a real president -- a leader -- can get things done.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

For the umpteenth time:    Yes, I know he can't originate and pass legislation.  That job belongs to congress.  But as I've said a million times already -- he could have worked with congress to get them moving. 

I n suggest you read corbe's post about NCLB.  President Bush showed with that legislation how a real president -- a leader -- can get things done.

The NCLB was a horrible government intrusion so bad that it is now essentially defunct as those measures are managed for the most part by the states, the rightful place for direction on Education, not federal.

Not a good example to bring up on 'how to get things done'.

[Chosen Daughter]

Art of the Deal, Baby!

Mexico dispatches team to DC negotiate tariff solution, as Trump demands illegal immigration remedy
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mexico-dispatches-team-to-dc-negotiate-tariff-solution-as-trump-demands-illegal-immigration-remedy

Your kidding right?  I think it has already been established that people should not waste their money on the book.  There is no "art of the deal"  Its the art of scam and any corrupt politician or person looking to scam people know how to do it.  And its likely any deal with Obrador is going to be a dud for the US.

[EdJames]

The NCLB was a horrible government intrusion so bad that it is now essentially defunct as those measures are managed for the most part by the states, the rightful place for direction on Education, not federal.

Not a good example to bring up on 'how to get things done'.

Exactly, a big government stooge working with other big government stooges from both sides of the aisle to expand the leviathan.  It is an asinine example.

[corbe]

   Picked up 2 bottles of Cuervo today at the Liquor store, so I'm ready for whatever.

[libertybele]

   Picked up 2 bottles of Cuervo today at the Liquor store, so I'm ready for whatever.

Ah, @corbe ...Margaritaville!!! ....Wastin' away again in Margaritaville, Searchin' for my long lost shaker of salt.....


www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUlf4LvMJus

[Applewood]

The NCLB was a horrible government intrusion so bad that it is now essentially defunct as those measures are managed for the most part by the states, the rightful place for direction on Education, not federal.

Not a good example to bring up on 'how to get things done'.

Yes it was bad legislation IMO and I said to corbe in my response that I didnt like it.  But you're missing the point of my response.  The article corbe posted shows how a real leader with the cooperation of congress gets things done. 

Maybe you should read corbe's post and my replies in greater detail.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

   GWB campaigned on Education Reform extensively (becoming NCLB) in 2000. 
   He got in done in a year, in spite of 9/11.   /JS

http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/258/george-bush-and-no-child-left-behind-a-federalist-perspective

and taxcuts, and war authorization, and a prescription drug law.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Yes it was bad legislation IMO and I said to corbe in my response that I didnt like it.  But you're missing the point of my response.  The article corbe posted shows how a real leader with the cooperation of congress gets things done. 

Maybe you should read corbe's post and my replies in greater detail.

And using a bad law enacted by a Republican President with both houses of Congress also Republican does not make a good example make.  It is rare that laws passed by Congress are subsequently debunked and thrown in the garbage like this one.

FYI, the current President has one side of Congress with a decidedly different state of mind toward anything and everything he comes up with, so something akin to this is not remotely possible to accomplish.  Unless, of course, it also is bad for America.

[Applewood]

And using a bad law enacted by a Republican President with both houses of Congress also Republican does not make a good example make.  It is rare that laws passed by Congress are subsequently debunked and thrown in the garbage like this one.

...

You are deliberately missing the point -- too focused on whether the law was a good one.  Missing the forest for the trees. 

I give up.  No sense trying to explain this anymore. 

[corbe]

   Thank you @Applewood for understanding the 'O'riginal point I was trying to make. I stated earlier that at the last minute the Ted Kennedy 'Union Compromise' risked torpedoing the whole $hit and shebang, GWB plodded on to get what he could (The Teachers Union already had control). The Legislation set much needed Nationwide standards and testing, including the Teachers. 
   My major point, lost on a few, is when GWB took office he had a slim majority in the House and Senate (VP Cheney tiebreaker) until Jeffords jumped in June.  I bring this up because (though a different era in politics), Bush got a lot more done (pre 9/11) than Trump has facing virtually the same Congressional odds.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

You are deliberately missing the point -- too focused on whether the law was a good one.  Missing the forest for the trees. 

I give up.  No sense trying to explain this anymore.

And you missed the entire point that Bush got a law enacted by a Congress controlled by his own party, not in part controlled by radical leftists as is the case now.

You are Dan Rather-ing it by saying "The facts are true even though the story isn't"

[jpsb]

So excuse me for wanting to pay for a cheaper widget. More money for me.

Widgets are cheap in Nigeria move there.

[kevindavis007]

Widgets are cheap in Nigeria move there.

So where is it written that I have to buy American only?

[kevindavis007]

[Wingnut]

So where is it written that I have to buy American only?

We have seen your posts.  I don't think you have ever bought America...

[Applewood]

@kevindavis

Yeah, don't you realize that if you don't "buy American," you are a traitor?  (/sarc)  I remember my late uncle, a rabid union guy, saying that.  He nearly had a coronary when his daughter and son-in-law bought their first Toyota.  Never mind that the Toyota was likely made in the US and that his "American" car may have been made overseas.

I have  bought a few items that were made in the USA.  They were no better and sometimes worse than the ones made overseas.  But for the most part, the American-made product was more expensive.

Buying American is not going to save jobs, nor will it bring jobs lost to foreign countries back to the US.  It is just too dang expensive to make things here.  Penalizing the American consumer through tarriffs won't bring back jobs either.

[Applewood]

Trump's proposed tariffs on Mexico would be biggest tax hike in almost 30 years: report

President Trump's proposed tariffs on Mexican imports – an effort to pressure the country to halt the flow of migrants from Central America – could constitute the biggest tax hike on American consumers in nearly three decades, according to an analysis by the Tax Foundation.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/trade/446540-trumps-proposed-tariffs-on-mexico-would-be-biggest-tax-hike-in

And the analysis from the Tax Foundation is here:

https://taxfoundation.org/trade-china-tariffs-economic-impact/

[kevindavis007]

We have seen your posts.  I don't think you have ever bought America...

How I spend MY MONEY IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis

Yeah, don't you realize that if you don't "buy American," you are a traitor?  (/sarc)  I remember my late uncle, a rabid union guy, saying that.  He nearly had a coronary when his daughter and son-in-law bought their first Toyota.  Never mind that the Toyota was likely made in the US and that his "American" car may have been made overseas.

I have  bought a few items that were made in the USA.  They were no better and sometimes worse than the ones made overseas.  But for the most part, the American-made product was more expensive.

Buying American is not going to save jobs, nor will it bring jobs lost to foreign countries back to the US.  It is just too dang expensive to make things here.  Penalizing the American consumer through tarriffs won't bring back jobs either.

@Applewood


That is right. I have to buy American so the person who made the overpriced product can still have a job and most likely vote for Dem regardless if the person is employed or not.

[Wingnut]

How I spend MY MONEY IS NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!

Kevin. I really love the caps!  Give me more.

[Night Hides Not]

Kevin. I really love the caps!  Give me more.

I think we ought to adopt a rule, akin to Godwin's Law...you lose the argument when you gratuitously and excessively use CAPS in your post.

Volume is no substitute for cognitive thought.

 

[corbe]

   Chances are if you buy American and it breaks you still have to talk to someone in India about the crappy decision you made.

[Wingnut]

I think we ought to adopt a rule, akin to Godwin's Law...you lose the argument when you gratuitously and excessively use CAPS in your post.

Volume is no substitute for cognitive thought.

 

I love it.  But I must say kevindavis is not a constant violator... but we could turn our eye on the "unamerican" person who posts up that cap shit, all the time.

[Night Hides Not]

I love it.  But I must say kevindavis is not a constant violator... but we could turn our eye on the "unamerican" person who posts up that cap shit, all the time.

Actually, I agreed with kevin's comment. I thought being a conservative meant that we respect an individual's right to spend their money on whatever they damn please...as long as it's legal, of course.

"Buying American" is such a meaningless term in today's economy. I lived in El Paso for 20 years, home of the maquiladoras, and several Southern states now build Mercedes and Beemers with American labor.

It ranks right up there with, "we're gonna build a big, beautiful wall and Mexico's going to pay for it." Good for a hearty cheer at a Trump rally, but not much else.