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Quite true.  And that he did not is circumstantial evidence of the weakness of the evidence he found contra Trump. 

However, it is also likely - more likely - that he would have followed the lead of those who investigated Nixon and leave a roadmap or trail of breadcrumbs to facilitate an impeachment, and leave such a politically charged decision to Congress. 

So, all things being equal, I don’t think he would have recommended an indictment against Trump even if there was clear evidence of criminality. 

People on both sides of the political spectrum need to be a little more honest and engaged with the facts:  Trump engaged in misbehavior, but not clearly criminal conduct; he’s a hot mess, just not an obvious criminal.  And at the end of the day, if Clinton’s actions in abusing the power of his office to bed interns and to then lie about it under oath - clearly criminal conduct - wasn’t sufficient to justify his impeachment, then neither is Trump’s misbehavior.



TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU!  You lived in TRUMP TOWERS?  You watched Trumps every move?  BOGUS!  HAVE YOU CHECKED INTO JUDICIAL WATCH...corruption list?  YEARLY?  All the people in congress, being millionaires on about $174, OOO...a year?  Give me a break. You would be guilty. if we went through all of YOUR BUSINESS!  ALL OF US WOULD BE GUILTY.  ALL OF US.  GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE & DOUBLE STANDARD...WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.  YOU TICK ME OFF..with your arrogant, type of posting.  As if.. YOU..know it all.  So, I will put you on ignore.  ZERO PRESIDENT TRUMP MISBEHAVIOR.  THAT IS A LIE.  What must you think about Obama, Joe Biden, Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Maxine Waters, Sheila Lee, Hank Johnson, Elija Cummings SIT IN in congress to remove our 2ND?   UGH!



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I agree Trump has made some bonehead moves over the past two years. Appointed some losers to important positions. Said some imprudent things.

But what is this 'dirt' of which you speak? Understanding that 'dirt' in this sense is usually used to describe something nefarious, underhanded. It seems as though aside from running his mouth Trump was completely cooperative with the Mueller probe.

If you are referring to his previously having private business interests in countries with whom he is now dealing with as president extra scrutiny is warranted, but has anyone actually uncovered wrongdoing or evidence of such on his part?


I can't believe some of you people on here!  ZERO, BONE HEAD decisions.  He does not run his mouth.  He speaks the truth.
Some of you men, need to stop being in competition with him and trying to boost yourselves up, by these kind of comments. SHAME. I know it when I see it.  You butt heads with ALPHA MALE and need to put him down.
Get rid of your egos.  That is, what is the issue. Same with Mitt Romney.  JEALOUSY.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM


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TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU!  You lived in TRUMP TOWERS?  You watched Trumps every move?  BOGUS!  HAVE YOU CHECKED INTO JUDICIAL WATCH...corruption list?  YEARLY?  All the people in congress, being millionaires on about $174, OOO...a year?  Give me a break. You would be guilty. if we went through all of YOUR BUSINESS!  ALL OF US WOULD BE GUILTY.  ALL OF US.  GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE & DOUBLE STANDARD...WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.  YOU TICK ME OFF..with your arrogant, type of posting.  As if.. YOU..know it all.  So, I will put you on ignore.  ZERO PRESIDENT TRUMP MISBEHAVIOR.  THAT IS A LIE.  What must you think about Obama, Joe Biden, Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, Maxine Waters, Sheila Lee, Hank Johnson, Elija Cummings SIT IN in congress to remove our 2ND?   UGH!




Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

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Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

Because both parties are vested in him not succeeding.

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Because both parties are vested in him not succeeding.

No, because he's not a very good president.

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Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

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You proved nothing. You are on ignore and another poster copied it. YOU PROVE MY POINT.  AREN'T YOU UPPITY and arrogant to even post that!  Were YOU ever president?  YOU..want to critique TWO PRESIDENTS?  People talk about putting President TRUMP on Mt. Rushmore!  All UN-BIASED, NON BIGOTED, people say He is the BEST PRESIDENT IN THEIR WHOLE LIFE TIMES!  THEY ARE IN 60'S. 70'S...I've been around since Eisenhower.  You probably think Obama was great!  You have ZERO STANDARDS.


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Quote from: Bill Cipher on Today at 11:14:19 PM
Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

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You proved nothing. You are on ignore and another poster copied it. YOU PROVE MY POINT.  AREN'T YOU UPPITY and arrogant to even post that!  Were YOU ever president?  YOU..want to critique TWO PRESIDENTS?  People talk about putting President TRUMP on Mt. Rushmore!  All UN-BIASED, NON BIGOTED, people say He is the BEST PRESIDENT IN THEIR WHOLE LIFE TIMES!  THEY ARE IN 60'S. 70'S...I've been around since Eisenhower.  You probably think Obama was great!  You have ZERO STANDARDS.


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Wow.  A two-fer.  Thanks for proving my point twice.

Trump is a hot mess as a leader; he is not a very good president, and history will regard him as such.  Sorry if that "triggers" you, but them's the facts.


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OfF the Cuff president.  ALL  COMMON SENSE. 
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Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

@Bill Cipher

Boy Jorge was more than mediocre. He was a traitor that rented out the US military to his Saud boyfriend for personal profits for his family,and who went into business with the freaking Chinese to sell out America and American jobs.

Maybe the most corrupt and worse president in the history of our nation. Made Bubba look like a shoplifter by comparison.
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Trump is a hot mess as a leader; he is not a very good president, and history will regard him as such.  Sorry if that "triggers" you, but them's the facts.

Oh, look, you've returned to share your latest wet dream with us.  Very sweet of you @Bill Cipher

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Thank you for proving my point.

Trump will go down in history as a mediocre president on a par with, or slightly below, GWB.

His term is not up yet, so I think its a little premature at this point in time to make that declaration. 

We don't yet know the results of his tariffs on China.  We don't know what is going to happen with Iran; though evacuations in the embassy in Iraq have started and Exxon Mobil has also begun evacuating an Iraqi oil field.

He may very well be labeled as the President that gave up American sovereignty and FAILED on the very issue that he campaigned on.  The crisis at the border and the continued invasion should not be discounted.  Under GWB the Secure Fence Act was passed and 700 miles of border wall was directed by Congress to be built (yes, never fully funded). Trump has taken us backwards on handling the border crisis with numbers coming across the border in unprecedented numbers as never experienced  in history.  He also took us backwards on illegal immigration by allowing states to opt out of a barrier. How possibly can the fence be fully completed now? As a result of his running his mouth and making threats that he was going to build a beautiful wall and have Mexico pay for it, we now have illegals pouring over our borders from over 50 different countries.  The invasion is now to a point that the Trump administration is allowing illegals to be dumped in various different countries within the U.S. He agreed to allow the UN to handle the asylum process and place those refugees, including inside the U.S.

Closer to 2020, I'd say would be a more fair evaluation; the crisis at the border may or may not resolve, the tariffs may prove to be beneficial to the U.S. and he may 'tame' the ME.

Time will tell.  If he is re-elected in 2020, he of course will have another 4 years to be evaluated.

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I can't believe some of you people on here!  ZERO, BONE HEAD decisions.  He does not run his mouth.  He speaks the truth.
Some of you men, need to stop being in competition with him and trying to boost yourselves up, by these kind of comments. SHAME. I know it when I see it.  You butt heads with ALPHA MALE and need to put him down.
Get rid of your egos.  That is, what is the issue. Same with Mitt Romney.  JEALOUSY.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM


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Sheesh. You need to dial back a bit.

I'm a supporter, I'm glad he's president. But to be unable to admit he's made some key errors does your credibility no good at all.

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His term is not up yet, so I think its a little premature at this point in time to make that declaration. 

We don't yet know the results of his tariffs on China.  We don't know what is going to happen with Iran; though evacuations in the embassy in Iraq have started and Exxon Mobil has also begun evacuating an Iraqi oil field.

He may very well be labeled as the President that gave up American sovereignty and FAILED on the very issue that he campaigned on.  The crisis at the border and the continued invasion should not be discounted.  Under GWB the Secure Fence Act was passed and 700 miles of border wall was directed by Congress to be built (yes, never fully funded). Trump has taken us backwards on handling the border crisis with numbers coming across the border in unprecedented numbers as never experienced  in history.  He also took us backwards on illegal immigration by allowing states to opt out of a barrier. How possibly can the fence be fully completed now? As a result of his running his mouth and making threats that he was going to build a beautiful wall and have Mexico pay for it, we now have illegals pouring over our borders from over 50 different countries.  The invasion is now to a point that the Trump administration is allowing illegals to be dumped in various different countries within the U.S. He agreed to allow the UN to handle the asylum process and place those refugees, including inside the U.S.

Closer to 2020, I'd say would be a more fair evaluation; the crisis at the border may or may not resolve, the tariffs may prove to be beneficial to the U.S. and he may 'tame' the ME.

Time will tell.  If he is re-elected in 2020, he of course will have another 4 years to be evaluated.


Good post, but I don't think we can afford 4 more years to evaluate.  He has been leading us on about NK.  I don't think he has made any progress.  Pulling out of Afghanistan if you are going to engage in Iran sounds dangerous.  Taliban will fight with Iran.
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Good post, but I don't think we can afford 4 more years to evaluate.  He has been leading us on about NK.  I don't think he has made any progress.  Pulling out of Afghanistan if you are going to engage in Iran sounds dangerous.  Taliban will fight with Iran.

Well, we certainly can't afford a allow a DEM to take over and so far there is no alternative to Trump in the GOP. Time is ticking before the 2020 election. No one is coming forward to challenge him, and quite honestly who at this point is going to want to attempt to straighten up his fiasco at the border?  Nor the tariffs, etc.

Amash is a joke.  The only thing he is going to accomplish if he runs 3rd party is take votes away from Trump and in all probability hand the oval office to the DEMS.  If he truly felt he had a chance at winning, why wouldn't he challenge Trump on the GOP ticket?
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Good post, but I don't think we can afford 4 more years to evaluate.  He has been leading us on about NK.  I don't think he has made any progress.  Pulling out of Afghanistan if you are going to engage in Iran sounds dangerous.  Taliban will fight with Iran.
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Edit to add: I'm not trying to be rude, I just really wonder whether any good conservative plans to run against the president. Heaven knows I did not initially support DJT in 2016, because I thought others would have made better presidents. However, he is the one who was elected and there is not way on earth I ever could vote for the Democrats in their current state of insanity and socialistic fury.
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   I will vote dem after I'm dead because that's the way it is and not before.
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Republican Justin Amash Tweets New Thread Calling for Trump's Impeachment

Alexandra Hutzler
 
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Despite backlash from Donald Trump and Republican leadership, Representative Justin Amash has renewed his calls for impeachment and explained why the president’s supporters are wrong about his innocence.

In a series of tweets on Monday, the Republican congressman from Michigan slammed Trump supporters for ignoring the facts of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on the Russia investigation.

“People who say there were no underlying crimes and therefore the president could not have intended to illegally obstruct the investigation—and therefore cannot be impeached—are resting their argument on several falsehoods,” Amash wrote.

Amash added that there were “many crimes” revealed by Mueller’s two-year probe into Russian election interference and while not all of them were prosecuted they were detailed in the 448-page redacted report.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-justin-amash-tweets-new-thread-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/ar-AABDHTC?ocid=ientp
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Republican Justin Amash Tweets New Thread Calling for Trump's Impeachment

Alexandra Hutzler
 
1 hr ago

 
Despite backlash from Donald Trump and Republican leadership, Representative Justin Amash has renewed his calls for impeachment and explained why the president’s supporters are wrong about his innocence.

In a series of tweets on Monday, the Republican congressman from Michigan slammed Trump supporters for ignoring the facts of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on the Russia investigation.

“People who say there were no underlying crimes and therefore the president could not have intended to illegally obstruct the investigation—and therefore cannot be impeached—are resting their argument on several falsehoods,” Amash wrote.

Amash added that there were “many crimes” revealed by Mueller’s two-year probe into Russian election interference and while not all of them were prosecuted they were detailed in the 448-page redacted report.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-justin-amash-tweets-new-thread-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/ar-AABDHTC?ocid=ientp

Well, given that a Pub is calling for impeachment in the House, I think it's probably going to happen and not so sure that the GOPe members of the Senate won't vote to convict him.
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The stories out about his family's interest in importing tools from China, but stamping "U.S.A." on them!
Trump takes a hard line against China, adding tariffs, and Amash calls for Trump's impeachment.

http://dcwhispers.com/is-anti-trump-republican-justin-amash-choosing-china-over-america/#HcScAvAviwqzD3zf.97

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On Thursday, 24 Democrats voted with Republicans to pass the legislation, though 166 other members of the caucus voted no on the bill.

Only one Republican, Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., voted against it.


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The stories out about his family's interest in importing tools from China, but stamping "U.S.A." on them!
Trump takes a hard line against China, adding tariffs, and Amash calls for Trump's impeachment.

http://dcwhispers.com/is-anti-trump-republican-justin-amash-choosing-china-over-america/#HcScAvAviwqzD3zf.97

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-house-democrats-side-with-gop-vote-for-kates-law


Who besides a democommie could vote against Kate's law- Amash.
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Justin Amash
about 2 years ago.

I voted no on #HR3004, Kate's Law.

This bill is narrower than other recent bills that also have been called "Kate's Law."

This version of Kate's Law changes the maximum possible punishments for some individuals convicted of re-entering the United States illegally and changes the procedures for prosecuting illegal re-entry. My concern with this bill stems from a provision that denies Fifth Amendment due process to certain criminal defendants.

As its text makes clear, the Fifth Amendment applies explicitly to all "person(s)" within the United States, including suspected illegal aliens who are arrested, charged, and tried within the United States. [More precisely, this amendment secures the rights of individuals under U.S. jurisdiction by identifying limits on the government’s power.] The Constitution uses the word "citizen" in other provisions whenever that word is intended. This interpretation of the Constitution's applicability is shared by the Supreme Court, including among the conservative justices.

Under current law, it is illegal to re-enter the United States if you have an outstanding order of removal. The removal order is an element of the crime, and a defendant may challenge the validity of the order, but only in limited circumstances. To challenge the validity of a removal order under current law, the defendant must show that she has used up all other opportunities to challenge the order, she has been denied her right to have a judge review her case, and the removal order was "fundamentally unfair."

This bill unconstitutionally eliminates the opportunity for those charged with illegal re-entry to challenge the validity of a removal order. As noted above, the removal order is an element of the crime. In our criminal justice system, a person cannot be convicted of a crime unless the prosecution proves every element beyond a reasonable doubt.

If a defendant never has a meaningful opportunity to have a judge review her removal order and, under this bill, she is prohibited from challenging her removal order during the criminal proceedings for illegal re-entry, then she could be convicted of a felony without ever having had the chance to challenge whether the order to remove her—which is an element of the crime!—was legally valid. As the Supreme Court held in United States v. Mendoza-Lopez, 481 U.S. 828 (1987), this would be a violation of the defendant's due process rights.

Under current removal procedures, this circumstance may be rare, but that is irrelevant to the fact that the Constitution secures the defendant's rights when this circumstance does arise.

It passed 257-167.
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   Look, I'll admit to my Briefer Friends that I'm still not on the 'Burn Justin Amash Train'.  I still believe him to be a Solid Constitutionist that has obviously run afoul of the most avid and vocal Trumpers, so be it, $hit happens. 
   He'd be a fool to run against Trump under any party banner and I believe he's smart enough to know that. 
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The stories out about his family's interest in importing tools from China, but stamping "U.S.A." on them!
Trump takes a hard line against China, adding tariffs, and Amash calls for Trump's impeachment.

http://dcwhispers.com/is-anti-trump-republican-justin-amash-choosing-china-over-america/#HcScAvAviwqzD3zf.97

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Thanks for the info.  Good to know.
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Amash storm hits Capitol Hill

By Scott Wong - 05/20/19 08:25 PM EDT
 

Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) doubled down Monday on his case that President Trump should be impeached for obstruction of justice, ensuring the spotlight will stay on the stunning attacks against his party’s leader all week.

GOP leaders and members of the conservative Freedom Caucus are distancing themselves from the 39-year-old lawmaker, who is now facing a new primary challenge.

Because the fight centers on a political disagreement rather than any personal misconduct, Amash is unlikely to be kicked off his sole committee, the Oversight and Reform panel, leadership sources said.

Freedom Caucus leaders also are unlikely to kick Amash out of the group he co-founded, though some speculated that his membership could be discussed this week. The Freedom Caucus also could vote to condemn Amash’s statements, sources said.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/444676-amash-storm-hits-capitol-hill


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The stories out about his family's interest in importing tools from China, but stamping "U.S.A." on them!
Trump takes a hard line against China, adding tariffs, and Amash calls for Trump's impeachment.

http://dcwhispers.com/is-anti-trump-republican-justin-amash-choosing-china-over-america/#HcScAvAviwqzD3zf.97

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/24-house-democrats-side-with-gop-vote-for-kates-law

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I am almost certain that has nothing to do with his family bidnez. After all,he is a Republican,right? </S>
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