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Right_in_Virginia:
--- Quote from: Victoria33 on April 23, 2019, 01:17:00 pm ---Counties need to know the total number of people in their county and where they live in the county, no matter if they are citizens or not.
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Why @Victoria33 How would these statistics be used?
Elderberry:
--- Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on April 23, 2019, 10:59:55 pm ---Why @Victoria33 How would these statistics be used?
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https://cis.org/Impact-NonCitizens-Congressional-Apportionment
--- Quote ---seats are apportioned based on each state's total population relative to the rest of the country, including illegal aliens and other non-citizens.
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Jazzhead:
@Victoria33 is right - the Constitution requires the census to obtain an actual enumeration of persons within each state and district - citizens and non-citizens. If you have a problem with that, your problem is with the Founders.
The census has traditionally asked other questions, including citizenship questions, but these are peripheral to the Constitutional mandate to achieve an actual enumeration. Since 1960, I believe, the census has consisted of a short form - sent to every household for the purposes of obtaining the actual enumeration - and a long form with a host of other questions, that is only sent to a subset of the population. By use of statistical sampling, the long form answers can be projected and used for other social and political purposes besides the actual enumeration.
What is unprecedented about the Administration's proposed change is to include the citizenship question on the short form, where it intends (according to its critics) to depress the number of persons who respond. This is the crux of the Constitutional issue - whether including a citizenship question of all persons in a household will frustrate the Constitutional requirement of an actual enumeration. There is substantial evidence, including from Census experts, that it will.
The citizenship question can and should be restored to the long form. But it is likely Constitutionally defective as proposed for the short form.
Victoria33:
--- Quote from: Jazzhead on April 23, 2019, 11:28:21 pm ---@Victoria33 is right - the Constitution requires the census to obtain an actual enumeration of persons within each state and district - citizens and non-citizens. If you have a problem with that, your problem is with the Founders.
The census has traditionally asked other questions, including citizenship questions, but these are peripheral to the Constitutional mandate to achieve an actual enumeration. Since 1960, I believe, the census has consisted of a short form - sent to every household for the purposes of obtaining the actual enumeration - and a long form with a host of other questions, that is only sent to a subset of the population. By use of statistical sampling, the long form answers can be projected and used for other social and political purposes besides the actual enumeration.
What is unprecedented about the Administration's proposed change is to include the citizenship question on the short form, where it intends (according to its critics) to depress the number of persons who respond. This is the crux of the Constitutional issue - whether including a citizenship question of all persons in a household will frustrate the Constitutional requirement of an actual enumeration. There is substantial evidence, including from Census experts, that it will.
The citizenship question can and should be restored to the long form. But it is likely Constitutionally defective as proposed for the short form.
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@Jazzhead
Thanks, Jazz, for fleshing out the need for a census. It is not just for politics. Counties need to know where people are located to determine where roads go, the number of people on the roads, where new hospitals should be built to serve the number of people living there, companies want to know where to place their products based on population. It is obvious counties, states, and the federal government need to know how many people live in these United States. It shows a lack of intelligence for one here who can't figure out why we need to know how many people are in counties/states/country.
I end this with another, "Thanks Jazz".
Elderberry:
In addition to questioning why we need a citizenship question, I question why these questions were needed that were prior census questions:
2010
8. Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin?
9. What is Person 1's race?
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