Mayor Pete Buttigieg: ‘Think of Something Really Gay — That’s How Gay I Am’

[Jazzhead]

Two men or two women on top of the cake are no less a message than an inscription.

I think the baker could refuse to affix such a wedding cake topper.  But he still should have to bake the cake itself, since it is what he advertises to provide.   That's the point - stay true to your word.   

[goatprairie]

I think the baker could refuse to affix such a wedding cake topper.  But he still should have to bake the cake itself, since it is what he advertises to provide.   That's the point - stay true to your word.

Two Nazis (being a Nazi is legal) walk in and demand he bake a cake for a Nazi rally.  They specify that he doesn't have put Nazi symbols on the cake, but it will be for a Nazi rally honoring Hitler. Should he have to bake the cake?

[Jazzhead]

Two Nazis (being a Nazi is legal) walk in and demand he bake a cake for a Nazi rally.  They specify that he doesn't have put Nazi symbols on the cake, but it will be for a Nazi rally honoring Hitler. Should he have to bake the cake?

You mean legally, I presume?

No, he can refuse the business arbitrarily because one's political affiliation is not a "protected characteristic" like race or (in Colorado) sexual orientation is.

[QueenCatofAragon]

I think the baker could refuse to affix such a wedding cake topper.  But he still should have to bake the cake itself, since it is what he advertises to provide.   That's the point - stay true to your word.

Refusing to add a gay wedding topper is going to offend the potential customers as much as refusing to bake the cake.  Especially since they’re likely wanting to be offended so they can make a federal case of it (literally).

If I asked a Muslim baker to make me a wedding cake and he refused on the grounds that I’m an infidel and he didn’t recognize my marriage, I would roll my eyes and go to another shop.  It’s that simple and easy unless you’re looking to start something. 

[bilo]

Refusing to add a gay wedding topper is going to offend the potential customers as much as refusing to bake the cake.  Especially since they’re likely wanting to be offended so they can make a federal case of it (literally).

If I asked a Muslim baker to make me a wedding cake and he refused on the grounds that I’m an infidel and he didn’t recognize my marriage, I would roll my eyes and go to another shop.  It’s that simple and easy unless you’re looking to start something.

 

God Bless those brave souls that put their faith first. I like to think I would have the courage to stand up to these nasty people, but I've never been confronted with this type of issue.

The "tolerance brigades" who insist that they can rewrite, or ignore, Scripture only want to drag everyone else down to perdition with them. I think Buttigieg should go back and read Scripture again and see what GOD thinks of sin before he criticizes Pence again.

[goatprairie]

You mean legally, I presume?

No, he can refuse the business arbitrarily because one's political affiliation is not a "protected characteristic" like race or (in Colorado) sexual orientation is.

I'm not talking about selling an already made cake. I'm talking about baking a cake he knows will go to a Nazi ceremony.

[QueenCatofAragon]

God Bless those brave souls that put their faith first. I like to think I would have the courage to stand up to these nasty people, but I've never been confronted with this type of issue.

The "tolerance brigades" who insist that they can rewrite, or ignore, Scripture only want to drag everyone else down to perdition with them. I think Buttigieg should go back and read Scripture again and see what GOD thinks of sin before he criticizes Pence again.

@bilo

And Mike Pence couldn’t care less what the fool said.  It rolls off his back.

I can’t imagine being confronted with losing a life’s work & livelihood because a couple of insecure people decided to indulge the chip on their shoulder.  It’s effing ridiculous.

[Jazzhead]

Pence is a good man.   He lives as his faith dictates,  including its admonition to not hate or denigrate his fellow man.   He hardly merits Buttigieg's cheap shot;  indeed,  his grace toward the man stands in stark, telling contrast.

[Jazzhead]

I'm not talking about selling an already made cake. I'm talking about baking a cake he knows will go to a Nazi ceremony.

I understand.  Laws against discrimination pertain to arbitrary discrimination based on specified characteristics - e.g. race, gender or, in some states, sexual orientation.  Political affiliation is not one of these.  A restaurant,  for example,  could legally refuse me service for wearing a MAGA hat.

[Restored]

Pence is a good man.   He lives as his faith dictates,  including its admonition to not hate or denigrate his fellow man.   He hardly merits Buttigieg's cheap shot;  indeed,  his grace toward the man stands in stark, telling contrast.

Perhaps but Mayor Pete needs an anti-gay strawman to beat up. Pence is about the only one available in politics. I've noticed that Franklin Graham is getting some heat but Graham is not in elected office. If he disagrees with Mayor Pete, it has no impact on anyone. Pete needs a lightning rod that will cause people to gather around him in solidarity. He is making serious inroads and the PTB in the party have to make a decision whether to push him up or push him out.

[Jazzhead]

Perhaps but Mayor Pete needs an anti-gay strawman to beat up. Pence is about the only one available in politics. I've noticed that Franklin Graham is getting some heat but Graham is not in elected office. If he disagrees with Mayor Pete, it has no impact on anyone. Pete needs a lightning rod that will cause people to gather around him in solidarity. He is making serious inroads and the PTB in the party have to make a decision whether to push him up or push him out.

What Buttigieg said is typical of irresponsible political rhetoric that, when examined,  reflects badly on the speaker and his intended audience.  Speaking to a "woke" audience of gays,  he pandered to a caricature of Mike Pence that he knew - based on personal experience - to be untrue.     

[Restored]

As with Trump and the "White Nationalists are fine people" quote, the truth is not always pertinent to the narrative. If you repeat it enough times, it becomes the truth. As disingenuous as it seems, it is just the nature of politics these days.
If he becomes a serious candidate, he won't need Pence anymore.

[Jazzhead]

As with Trump and the "White Nationalists are fine people" quote, the truth is not always pertinent to the narrative. If you repeat it enough times, it becomes the truth. As disingenuous as it seems, it is just the nature of politics these days.
If he becomes a serious candidate, he won't need Pence anymore.

The truth won't suffice; it must be replaced by caricature.   

[bilo]

@bilo

And Mike Pence couldn’t care less what the fool said.  It rolls off his back.

I can’t imagine being confronted with losing a life’s work & livelihood because a couple of insecure people decided to indulge the chip on their shoulder.  It’s effing ridiculous.

I'm with you 100%.

There is no common decency among the left.

[mountaineer]

 CP Current Page: Voices | Friday, April 26, 2019
Buttigieg’s pro-gay Christianity: The false god of feelings
By John Stonestreet and G. Shane Morris, Op-Ed Contributors

I’ve said before on BreakPoint that if your God never tells you to do anything you don’t want to do, your god is probably you. If there were an Americanized translation of the Apostle’s Creed for today, it would be something like this: “I believe in God the Father, Almighty, who always supports my feelings.”

This kind of self-centered faith is epidemic both within the church and without, in conservative congregations and progressive ones.

The most recent case in point is Democratic presidential candidate and South Bend, Indiana mayor, Pete Buttigieg. At a recent fundraiser, he said of his same-sex “marriage”: “[it] has made me a better man [and]…moved me closer to God. If being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far above my pay grade.”

He then added, somewhat out-of-the-blue: “That’s the thing I wish the Mike Pences of the world would understand, that if you have a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me. Your quarrel, sir, is with my creator.”  ...

The reality, of course, is that the mayor’s quarrel isn’t with Mike Pence. His quarrel is with the clear texts of Scripture that both identify what marriage is and what it is for, as well as how homosexual behavior is sinful. His quarrel is with natural law, reflected in the biological roles our bodies play and the universally embraced connection of marriage and procreation, even by societies not influenced by Christian morality. And of course, his quarrel is with 2,000 years of unanimous Christian witness on marriage and sexual morality.  ...

Entire article at Christian Post

[Jazzhead]

I’ve said before on BreakPoint that if your God never tells you to do anything you don’t want to do, your god is probably you

I have no reason to doubt that Pete Buttigieg is a man of Christian faith.   And, from what I can see,  he lives his life consistent with his faith.  He is married and, I will assume,  monogamous.  He seeks someday to raise children with his spouse.   He is, in fact, the target of criticisms from the more radical homosexuals for not being gay enough - he's a model of middle-class gay domesticity and responsibility. 

Is there any aspect of the way he's conducted his life that you would criticize if the person he loved were a woman?   

Let's be real here.   Gay he may be,  but Buttigieg hardly lives the sort of life led by Donald Trump,  who the evangelicals revere.  Shall we recap?:

- Divorced three times;

- Bribed a porn star to stay quiet about an affair;

-  Been accused by multiple women of sexual assault;

- Bragged obscenely (on the Access Hollywood tape) about grabbing women by their private parts;

-  Joked suggestively about his own daughter; and

-  Boasted that avoiding STDs was his own "personal Vietnam"

Now,  let's compare and contrast, shall we, the sincerity of Trump's and Buttigieg's claims of faith?   

[dfwgator]

I have no reason to doubt that Pete Buttigieg is a man of Christian faith.   And, from what I can see,  he lives his life consistent with his faith.  He is married and, I will assume,  monogamous.  He seeks someday to raise children with his spouse.   He is, in fact, the target of criticisms from the more radical homosexuals for not being gay enough - he's a model of middle-class gay domesticity and responsibility. 


Now,  let's compare and contrast, shall we, the sincerity of Trump's and Buttigieg's claims of faith?   

The difference is that Trump recognizes his sins.  Buttwipe doesn't even think what he does is a sin.  Big difference.

[Jazzhead]

The difference is that Trump recognizes his sins.  Buttwipe doesn't even think what he does is a sin.  Big difference.

I utterly disagree with that, both with respect to Buttigieg and Trump.    Buttigieg was born the way he is.  God does not make mistakes.   While some gays respond to their sexuality with rampant promiscuity,  Buttigieg has made a lifetime covenant before God with his partner.   Meanwhile,  the least savory aspect of Christianity for me is this notion that folks like Trump are OK because they "recognize their sins".    But they keep on sinning!   

[dfwgator]

    Buttigieg was born the way he is. 

So, by that token are Pedophiles "Born That Way", too?

[Jazzhead]

So, by that token are Pedophiles "Born That Way", too?

I am speaking of sexual orientation, not behavior.   God makes you gay or straight.  You determine what to do with it.   

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

The difference is that Trump recognizes his sins.  Buttwipe doesn't even think what he does is a sin.  Big difference.

The guy who said he has nothing to ask forgiveness for recognizes his sins?

[jmyrlefuller]

I utterly disagree with that, both with respect to Buttigieg and Trump.    Buttigieg was born the way he is.  God does not make mistakes.

God also does not compel him to sin.

That is of the flesh. Paul's letter to the Romans speaks of this thoroughly: we are all born into sin, it's up to us to repent, seek God's grace, and walk away from it. No matter what sin that may be.

[QueenCatofAragon]

The difference is that Trump recognizes his sins.  Buttwipe doesn't even think what he does is a sin.  Big difference.

@dfwgator

Huh?  Did I miss something?  When did he say that?

[QueenCatofAragon]

I utterly disagree with that, both with respect to Buttigieg and Trump.    Buttigieg was born the way he is.  God does not make mistakes.   While some gays respond to their sexuality with rampant promiscuity,  Buttigieg has made a lifetime covenant before God with his partner.   Meanwhile,  the least savory aspect of Christianity for me is this notion that folks like Trump are OK because they "recognize their sins".    But they keep on sinning!   

You’re right, He doesn’t make mistakes.  The fact that we’re born with the tendency to sin in countless ways isn’t His fault.  He created us perfectly, one woman for one man, but we messed it up. 

[dfwgator]

The guy who said he has nothing to ask forgiveness for recognizes his sins?

I know Trump said something like that,  but deep down he knows what he does is not aligned with God's plan.   Buttwipe rebels against God by thinking his lifestyle is what God intended for him.