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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2019, 07:15:52 pm »
What can Trump do when both parties are fighting him tooth-and-nail.   Hopefully once he's re-elected this BS will stop, since there's no longer anything to gain by opposing Trump.    Both parties for now are just hoping he doesn't get re-elected, and they can get back to business-as-usual of screwing the American people.

There have been several posts as to what Trump can do, that is legal, and that is in his full authority.  There have been several people within our government who have found some $$ that could be used.  He has the authority to shutdown the border and line it with our military. He opts not to do anything.  The only thing that he has done is sign a bill allowing states to opt out of a barrier, and consideration(s) for DACA amnesty. He needs to accept responsibility at some point in time on this issue.  Him not doing anything sure looks like non-intent.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2019, 07:22:07 pm »
I don't disagree that we need to secure the border and address illegal immigration.   But success requires an approach that can command majorities in Congress.    Trump can't do that; hell, Trump keeps changing his tune by the day.   He is flailing about, without direction and consumed by anger and frustration.   Better to give up the reins to a more conventional Republican who can negotiate successfully with a (hopefully) Republican Congress.       

Ok ... I concur with your statements.  I just don't think that there is anyone willing to oppose him as Trump has proven to use lies, deceit and name calling to win.  Secondly, any GOP candidate that takes over, would have to be willing to fix his mistakes at the border; whether they be intentional or not.  Other than Cruz, I don't know of anyone who has a similar agenda on the border as Trump has proclaimed.  Even at the Cruz has stated that it would be a mistake to shut down the border; perhaps for trade, but if he's talking to curtail illegal immigration I definitely disagree with him.

No one that I know of has come forward with a viable solution right now to the border crisis.

If we aren't able to get things under control at the border, we're not going to have to worry about another election.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2019, 07:26:39 pm »
I supported Mitt probably because he wasn't Obama and we needed Obama out of there.  Not that I was a Romney man, not that I hate him. He has done many things wrong and we see, he just did it again.

Obama had a stagnating economy, low poll approval and won.

You really can not predict big game changers in politics, 2 weeks ago, Beto was probably sitting on top of the world, now, he's probably yesterday's news unless, there's a big turnabout again.

Nobody voted FOR Romney,  they just voted AGAINST Obama.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2019, 07:43:04 pm »
Bernie CAN beat him.  That's the premise of Rove's column.

Rove is a Boomer. He thinks like a Boomer.

Problem is the electorate is medianed well into the Gen-X generation, and that brings in a great deal of variables that Rove's linear leaps of speculation doesn't factor in, such as the fractured Dem party, mostly by age.

If he picks the right running mate, Bernie might be real opposition, but he has the real danger of not appealing much beyond his base.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2019, 07:48:23 pm »
:silly: :silly:

You cannot rebut my opinion of your true political leanings.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2019, 07:49:10 pm »
If Cruz had a real chance to win in the primaries, I'd say go for it. If one wants to say a "true conservative" and all of this.  I'd give a lot of these types of candidates consideration.

There is no reason to talk divisive of our own side just speaking for myself. I just don't think it will happen... and most of these people, GOP rep and senators are pretty supportive of the president.

Ben Sasse really isn't in favor but he's not out of favor either. Rand Paul often disagrees with the President but still seems to be on the GOP side.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2019, 07:52:30 pm »
You cannot rebut my opinion of your true political leanings.

This pleases me.   :smokin:

Your opinion of my "true political leanings" is ridiculous.   You are intellectually lazy, unable to rebut my views other than by insult and insinuation.     
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2019, 07:56:57 pm »
You cannot rebut my opinion of your true political leanings.

This pleases me.   :smokin:

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2019, 08:30:46 pm »
Your opinion of my "true political leanings" is ridiculous.   You are intellectually lazy, unable to rebut my views other than by insult and insinuation.     

Nah ... after months of reading your posts and their underlying themes, I've hit your true politics on the nose.  I am not intellectually lazy, I just don't waste my time  debating those who hide their agenda.  I'll admit you're damn good at what you do ... but as I've repeatedly pointed out, your lesser angels always wrestle control and spit out what your really think.   And what you truly think is rarely honorable to those who do not agree with you nor is it conservative.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2019, 09:02:06 pm »
Nah ... after months of reading your posts and their underlying themes, I've hit your true politics on the nose.  I am not intellectually lazy, I just don't waste my time  debating those who hide their agenda.  I'll admit you're damn good at what you do ... but as I've repeatedly pointed out, your lesser angels always wrestle control and spit out what your really think.   And what you truly think is rarely honorable to those who do not agree with you nor is it conservative.

My "true politics" are to advocate for Republican victory in 2020.   I believe that will not happen with Trump as the nominee.    We need to act to preserve both Trump's policy successes as well as the future of conservatism.   We are up against the threat of unbridled socialism, which we cannot effectively rebut while having to defend Trump's erratic paranoia and his appeals to our true "lesser angels" - those of tribalism and identity politics.   
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2019, 09:04:40 pm »
I find the headline very comforting, since Rove is regularly and repeatedly wrong about most things.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2019, 02:08:43 am »



Bernie wins in the fight for fries.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2019, 02:25:15 am »
Trump vs Clinton in 2020.  He wins if the economy remains strong, loses if it weakens, and you can bet the FED will do everything in its power to vacate him.

But the critical field of play is Congress.  The Republicans need to win back and have voting majorities in both houses of Congress.  It can be done with a huge landslide and Trump carrying the dead from the neck up Congress.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2019, 11:52:49 am »
My "true politics" are to advocate for Republican victory in 2020.   I believe that will not happen with Trump as the nominee.    We need to act to preserve both Trump's policy successes as well as the future of conservatism.   We are up against the threat of unbridled socialism, which we cannot effectively rebut while having to defend Trump's erratic paranoia and his appeals to our true "lesser angels" - those of tribalism and identity politics.

You were thisclose to finishing a post without the anti-Trump, anti-sovereignty, pro-globalism, democrat-socialist talking points venom seeping through.  Thisclose.   You just can't help yourself.   :laugh:

Working for Romney yet?  Or waiting with bated breath for the democrat-socialist's choice?


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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2019, 12:42:10 pm »
You were thisclose to finishing a post without the anti-Trump, anti-sovereignty, pro-globalism, democrat-socialist talking points venom seeping through.  Thisclose.   You just can't help yourself.   :laugh:

Working for Romney yet?  Or waiting with bated breath for the democrat-socialist's choice?

First of all, thanks as always for bumping my posts, @Right_in_Virginia

The Dems are not the only ones pimping tribalism and identity politics.   Trump does it too,  and I'd be a hypocrite for decrying the former without also noting the latter.   Just as the Dems won't let their candidates (save for Bernie, who knows better) appear on Fox News,   so does Trump prefer the comfort of his adoring rallies to getting out and engaging with folks on the "other side". 

Am I wrong for seeking a leader who's willing to be President of the entire nation?   Not just the progs and fashionable minorities?   And not just the alt-right?   

I am willing and able to differentiate between Trump's policies, many of which I support, and the man himself, who makes me cringe in embarrassment sometimes.   I am also able to understand why for so many the desire to be rid of Trump and his daily chaos will make them vote for a Democrat who, quite frankly,  will make our tribal enmities worse.   

Trump is an accidental President.   He did not expect to be President,  and I believe in his heart of hearts he would rather be back with his businesses and his family than dealing with the daily volleys of vituperation and hate.    I sympathize with the man;  he's gotten a raw deal,  and so have his supporters,  labelled deplorables and worse by folks who used to know better,  who used to see the value of conciliation and compromise.   

But the Trump-hate machine is well-oiled and efficient;  it dominates most of our daily lives, from the media we consume to the offhand remarks we here from colleagues,  neighbors and even the strangers we encounter on the trains and in coffee shops.  Nearly half of the folks in my neighborhood have yards signs out proclaiming that folks like me aren't welcome in their homes!   The Dems are prepared to go scorched earth,  betting that running against Trump will be the lever that installs the progressive of their dreams.   

I fear they can succeed.  Which is why I advocate for Republicans,  from the politicians in Washington to the common folks who post on this board,  to urge Trump, for the good of the nation, to decline to run for a second term.    Trump is mercurial and erratic,  but deep down he is, I think,  a good man and a patriot.   I believe his better angels can be appealed to.    We do not want the next President to be Bernie Sanders or one of the other all-purpose haters because Trump has distracted voters from the danger they represent.   The issues of socialism and the rending of our social fabric need to be address squarely;  those of us who do not want these things must have the choice of a candidate they can be proud of.     

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2019, 12:55:29 pm »


Short and to the point.... I do not believe you.  And the more words you pound out of your keyboard, the more you prove me right

IMO, your posts, in total, do not pass the sniff test.  Your views are those of the one world order, abortion is a right, we don't need no stinkin' borders, gays in the military is patriotic, transgenderism should be respected crowd.

You want Republicans to lose and lose big in 2020. 

Not. Going. To. Happen.

BTW, thanks for clicking on my posts, even though you've chosen to ignore me.   :laugh:

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2019, 01:06:04 pm »
Ignore your enemy at your peril.    Sanders is far in front of the Dem pack,  with his appeals to "democratic socialism" receiving a favorable reception even with Fox News audiences.

That sounds like BS to me.  Sanders is a radical leftist (commie)... and he's stupid enough to admit it.  Plus, he's old and (gasp!)....lily white.  No friggin way. 

Sanders will get le shaft once again by the rats.  They'll use him as a "comparison tool" (another gimmick) vs. who they want to win (Harris, Booker, etc.)... which they will present as "more moderate" compared to old Bernie.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2019, 01:06:49 pm »
Short and to the point.... I do not believe you.  And the more words you pound out of your keyboard, the more you prove me right

IMO, your posts, in total, do not pass the sniff test.  Your views are those of the one world order, abortion is a right, we don't need no stinkin' borders, gays in the military is patriotic, transgenderism should be respected crowd.

You want Republicans to lose and lose big in 2020. 

Not. Going. To. Happen.

BTW, thanks for clicking on my posts, even though you've chosen to ignore me.   :laugh:

Enjoy the day.

I'm old school Republican.  Never said I was anything other.   You know,  Ronald Reagan,  who appealed to our better natures,  who sought to inspire with optimism, who spoke of both American exceptionalism and his vision of the shining city, humming with commerce and open to those who sought the American dream.   

You, on the other hand, have been corrupted from that vision by Trump and his appeals to insularity, tribalism, nativism and fear.   Don't tell me you didn't used to bust your buttons with pride when Reagan spoke.    Have you so quickly forgotten?

Well I haven't.   I want a GOP I can be as proud of now as I was then.   
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2019, 01:11:06 pm »
That sounds like BS to me.  Sanders is a radical leftist (commie)... and he's stupid enough to admit it.  Plus, he's old and (gasp!)....lily white.  No friggin way. 

Sanders will get le shaft once again by the rats.  They'll use him as a "comparison tool" (another gimmick) vs. who they want to win (Harris, Booker, etc.)... which they will present as "more moderate" compared to old Bernie.

Don't be so cocksure.   Bernie's leading in the polls, and his opposition is splintered.   The same conditions that produced Trump in 2016 can produce Sanders in 2020.  And in a race between Sanders and Trump,  don't minimize Sanders' appeal as a change agent,  notwithstanding his odious socialism.   
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2019, 01:52:14 pm »
Don't be so cocksure.   Bernie's leading in the polls, and his opposition is splintered.  The same conditions that produced Trump in 2016 can produce Sanders in 2020.  And in a race between Sanders and Trump,  don't minimize Sanders' appeal as a change agent,  notwithstanding his odious socialism.   

Nah.  I claim the right to BE cocksure about this.  Sanders has no chance of winning in 2020, despite what the bogus polls are portraying.


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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2019, 01:54:31 pm »
I just don't get the appeal of an unkempt, blustering old white commie. His hypocrisy should make his mind-numbed followers leave the cult.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2019, 02:19:25 pm »
My "true politics" are to advocate for Republican victory in 2020.   I believe that will not happen with Trump as the nominee.    We need to act to preserve both Trump's policy successes as well as the future of conservatism.   We are up against the threat of unbridled socialism, which we cannot effectively rebut while having to defend Trump's erratic paranoia and his appeals to our true "lesser angels" - those of tribalism and identity politics.


If you are the face of Republican it is no wonder I no longer identify.  You are as liberal as it gets.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2019, 02:22:42 pm »
I'm old school Republican.  Never said I was anything other.   You know,  Ronald Reagan,  who appealed to our better natures,  who sought to inspire with optimism, who spoke of both American exceptionalism and his vision of the shining city, humming with commerce and open to those who sought the American dream.   

You, on the other hand, have been corrupted from that vision by Trump and his appeals to insularity, tribalism, nativism and fear.   Don't tell me you didn't used to bust your buttons with pride when Reagan spoke.    Have you so quickly forgotten?

Well I haven't.   I want a GOP I can be as proud of now as I was then.

Yeah you must bust your own buttons with pride in abortion and uncontrolled immigration.
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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2019, 03:00:00 pm »

If you are the face of Republican it is no wonder I no longer identify.  You are as liberal as it gets.

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Re: Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2019, 03:04:00 pm »
I just don't get the appeal of an unkempt, blustering old white commie. His hypocrisy should make his mind-numbed followers leave the cult.

It should.   But the Dems are banking on 2020 as a referendum on Donald Trump,  not on the blustering old white commie.    Remember how many folks treated 2016 as a referendum on the odious Hillary?   Their vote was reduced to the lesser of two evils - and surprise, surprise,  Trump won.   

Choices between two evils rarely end well.    Don't be so sure Bernie can't win. 
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