Karl Rove: Sanders could win presidency in 2020

[libertybele]

Laugh all you want, @Right_in_Virginia .     There is more at stake for conservatives in 2020 than in any election in my lifetime.    That's because of an unholy combination of a newly radicalized Democratic party,  and an incumbent President who never gain the approval of even 50% of the electorate.    Trump clings to the adoration of his base and refuses to address the concerns of the rest of us,  tired and weary of the clown show.   

Meanwhile, the chances are excellent that the Dems will nominate someone willing to try socialism, and even more willing to divide this nation along tribal lines.   Indeed,  Trump's willing to do the same damn thing.   Again, while his base laps it up, willing to do battle against immigrants and Muslims and women and homosexuals and others Trump tells 'em it is okay now to despise as the manufactured cause of their frustration (even in the midst of an economic boom!), the rest of us are sick and tired.

That economic boom should be paving the way for a GOP landslide, and the reason it will not is named Donald J. Trump.   I support many of his policies, but he is the wrong man at the wrong time in our history.   The Dems will seize on the opportunity he creates to utterly destroy the electoral prospects for conservatism for years to come.   We have made a deal with the devil,  but it is not too late to change course.     Trump must ushered into retirement by the members of his own party.     

I believe you are absolutely dead wrong.  If we do not do battle against illegals and radical Muslims we lose our Republic. As for the gay community, they are a target for the radical Muslims.  Battle against women??  Since when???

[dfwgator]

Trump has fired up the Conservative base more than any Republican since Reagan,  the only problem is the typical "middle of the roaders",  but there's no way in the end they will pull the lever for a Socialist, like Sanders.

[Jazzhead]

No matter how much you write and how hard you try --- this  ^  right here --- always bleeds through.  It's your raison d'être and why I believe you're a democrat socialist with one hand posting warnings of oncoming catastrophe and the other with fingers crossed behind your back.  I believe you want the President to not just lose, but lose to a socialist.  I believe you want open borders, without any restrictions.  I believe you think of all Trump supporters as mere dust on your superior lapel.

 



 

[TomSea]

"Peronally, and I hope that I am dead wrong, IMHO Trump never had any intent on fulfilling that promise.  Certainly there are things that he could have done or could be doing and he's kicked the issue down the road.  Doesn't sound like someone who was serious about keeping his promise, nor does it sound like someone he cares if he gets re-elected or not.  I think we will see a complete DEM majority in 2020."

We sure see Trump down at the border and the issue discussed all the time to say he never had intentions to build a wall. So, I reject that in full. It was the legislature who had the obligation to pass a bill. I think it was here or another forum where they said, 60 votes were needed in the Senate to fund the wall.

The Dems will not win the Senate.

[Jazzhead]

I believe you are absolutely dead wrong.  If we do not do battle against illegals and radical Muslims we lose our Republic. As for the gay community, they are a target for the radical Muslims.  Battle against women??  Since when???

I don't disagree that we need to secure the border and address illegal immigration.   But success requires an approach that can command majorities in Congress.    Trump can't do that; hell, Trump keeps changing his tune by the day.   He is flailing about, without direction and consumed by anger and frustration.   Better to give up the reins to a more conventional Republican who can negotiate successfully with a (hopefully) Republican Congress.       

[dfwgator]

"Peronally, and I hope that I am dead wrong, IMHO Trump never had any intent on fulfilling that promise.  Certainly there are things that he could have done or could be doing and he's kicked the issue down the road.  Doesn't sound like someone who was serious about keeping his promise, nor does it sound like someone he cares if he gets re-elected or not.  I think we will see a complete DEM majority in 2020."

We sure see Trump down at the border and the issue discussed all the time to say he never had intentions to build a wall. So, I reject that in full. It was the legislature who had the obligation to pass a bill. I think it was here or another forum where they said, 60 votes were needed in the Senate to fund the wall.

The Dems will not win the Senate.

What can Trump do when both parties are fighting him tooth-and-nail.   Hopefully once he's re-elected this BS will stop, since there's no longer anything to gain by opposing Trump.    Both parties for now are just hoping he doesn't get re-elected, and they can get back to business-as-usual of screwing the American people.

[TomSea]

The argument posted above means the Republicans become "Democrat party-lite" and that has already been a beef with a lot of people, with nominating someone like Romney for Prez in 2012 say.

Obama was such a terrible president, even with those saying Mitt was a poor candidate, he still should have won. It shows what a minority we are.

Again, the argument above, says GOP becomes Dem-Lite.

Reagan gave out amnesty, did it mean George HW Bush got more of the Hispanic vote? NO, In no way did he.  So, that's a lesson on immigrants.

And now, Calif. is a pretty deep blue. I don't know the total cause and affect but it is that way now.

I heard it the other day, Bernie could win it... I heard there are like 3 candidates with a chance, the incumbent. Bernie and Biden? I'm not so sure about, he's looking like an old worn out shoe.

[dfwgator]

I don't disagree that we need to secure the border and address illegal immigration.   But success requires an approach that can command majorities in Congress.    Trump can't do that; hell, Trump keeps changing his tune by the day.   He is flailing about, without direction and consumed by anger and frustration.   Better to give up the reins to a more conventional Republican who can negotiate successfully with a (hopefully) Republican Congress.       

"Conventional Republicans" are why we are in this mess in the first place.

[Jazzhead]

What can Trump do when both parties are fighting him tooth-and-nail.   

He can change, for one thing.  But he can't, or won't. 

There is no reason he should be battling his own party except for his deliberately off-putting personality and approach to "governance".    He has been President for over two years now,  well past time for him to grow the eff up.   But he seems to be sinking ever-further into Nixon-style paranoia.    I'll grant that he has reason to feel paranoid.  But he's wasting the good will of unmatched employment, growing wages and generally favorable economic conditions.   We are careening toward disaster, folks.   

If he can't change, the GOP needs to change its leader.   

[dfwgator]

He can change, for one thing.  But he can't, or won't. 

There is no reason he should be battling his own party except for his deliberately off-putting personality and approach to "governance".    He has been President for over two years now,  well past time for him to grow the eff up.   But he seems to be sinking ever-further into Nixon-style paranoia.    I'll grant that he has reason to feel paranoid.  But he's wasting the good will of unmatched employment, growing wages and generally favorable economic conditions.   We are careening toward disaster, folks.   

If he can't change, the GOP needs to change its leader.   

I believe Trump's second term would be vastly different from the first, simply because he won't have to deal with the level of bullshit that he's had to deal with in his first term.   Yes, he's made mistakes,  but I believe he has learned from them over time.   

[Jazzhead]

"Conventional Republicans" are why we are in this mess in the first place.

No, we are in this mess because of Donald Trump.  "Conventional Republicans" gave Trump a victory on tax reform that has put millions back to work.   Trump is squandering this progress, and jeopardizing it.   

[TomSea]

Conventional GOP candidate, Mitt Romney, that didn't work out too great, I can't think of anyone who is more typically a Republican.

They still say these guys like Romney still had vote totals comparable to Trump's. Maybe Hillary fell short.

Obama was a one-off Candidate, Trump is a one-off Candidate, Reagan was that too.  Nobody is like these people. We may have come to the point, they have the best chances of winning.

[Jazzhead]

I believe Trump's second term would be vastly different from the first, simply because he won't have to deal with the level of bullshit that he's had to deal with in his first term.   Yes, he's made mistakes,  but I believe he has learned from them over time.

He won't win a second term.   If he can't get his approval rating over 50% in the wake of the best economy in decades, then something's existentially wrong.   

[dfwgator]

He won't win a second term.   If he can't get his approval rating over 50% in the wake of the best economy in decades, then something's existentially wrong.

Who will beat him? It sure as hell won't be Bernie.

[dfwgator]

He won't win a second term.   If he can't get his approval rating over 50% in the wake of the best economy in decades, then something's existentially wrong.

You don't have to like Trump to vote for him, you just have to believe he's better than the other guy.

[dfwgator]

   

If he can't change, the GOP needs to change its leader.   

And just who do you suggest that leader is?   There is no "White Knight" out there.

[TomSea]

He's already gotten it over 50%.  52% in February.  So, this is a bit of a moot point and besides, the polls are not always reliable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6691891/Trumps-approval-rating-likely-voters-soars-best-23-MONTHS-52-cent.html

Come May, we may see his rating return to such highs.

Again, returning to Romney, I thought the GOP candidate, whomever it could be, should have won in 2012 because Obama had some real poor ratings as well.

In fact, polls have come out, "Trump's rating better than Obama's at same time in presidency" and the Dems are playing dirty pool with the Mueller report and Obama didn't have to go through that.

Gallup: Obama job approval hits 2011 low

President Barack Obama averaged 46% job approval the week of Feb. 28-March 6, his lowest weekly average since mid-December.

https://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/09/gallup-obama-job-approval-hits-2011-low/

[Jazzhead]

Who will beat him? It sure as hell won't be Bernie.

Bernie CAN beat him.  That's the premise of Rove's column.

[Jazzhead]

And just who do you suggest that leader is?   There is no "White Knight" out there.

He/she hasn't emerged yet.   Now is the time for Republicans to urge President Trump that his legacy is best preserved by declining to run for re-election.   

[dfwgator]

Bernie CAN beat him.  That's the premise of Rove's column.

Rove's an idiot.

[TomSea]

Bernie CAN beat him.  That's the premise of Rove's column.

Oh, that Karl Rove.

[dfwgator]

He/she hasn't emerged yet.   Now is the time for Republicans to urge President Trump that his legacy is best preserved by declining to run for re-election.   

___ that noise!

[TomSea]

One of the big banking firms came out and said they figure Trump will already win in 2020, a number of people have said this but the banking firm has a real stake in the matter.  They must study this stuff up.

Goldman Sachs or someone. This was just last week.

[Jazzhead]

Rove's an idiot.

Ignore your enemy at your peril.    Sanders is far in front of the Dem pack,  with his appeals to "democratic socialism" receiving a favorable reception even with Fox News audiences.

[TomSea]

I supported Mitt probably because he wasn't Obama and we needed Obama out of there.  Not that I was a Romney man, not that I hate him. He has done many things wrong and we see, he just did it again.

Obama had a stagnating economy, low poll approval and won.

You really can not predict big game changers in politics, 2 weeks ago, Beto was probably sitting on top of the world, now, he's probably yesterday's news unless, there's a big turnabout again.