Lindsey Graham Proposes Invasion of Venezuela: If Trump Doesn't Act, World Will 'Think He's Weak' By

[TomSea]

I guess Lindsay Graham was interviewed by Chris Wallace and there are a number of articles out on it, excerpted:

Lindsey Graham Proposes Invasion of Venezuela: If Trump Doesn't Act, World Will 'Think He's Weak'
By Aidan McLaughlin May 27th, 2019, 1:20 pm

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Graham noted Maduro would not be in power if not for support from Cuban security forces, and proposed President Donald Trump invade Venezuela in the same way former President Ronald Reagan invaded Grenada in the 1980s.

“I would do exactly what Reagan did,” the South Carolina senator said. “I would give Cuba the ultimatum to get out of Venezuela. If they don’t, I would let the Venezuelan military know, you’ve got to choose between democracy and Maduro.”

“And if you choose Maduro and Cuba, we’re coming after you,” he added. “This is in our backyard. Trump said that he was for democracy against socialism. And he’s drawn a red line when it comes to Maduro. If he doesn’t act, everybody in the world is going to think he’s weak. If he does act, it helps us North Korea, Iran, Russia and everybody else.”

Read more at: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lindsey-graham-proposes-invasion-of-venezuela-if-trump-doesnt-act-world-will-think-hes-weak/

[ABX]

Not worth the lives of our young men and women in uniform. Let them clean their own house.

[DCPatriot]

The only reason would be if China or Russia were about to set up a Cuban type regime.

But I can't stand the thought that the Venezuelans can't fix this themselves.

[truth_seeker]

The only reason would be if China or Russia were about to set up a Cuban type regime.

But I can't stand the thought that the Venezuelans can't fix this themselves.

While Brennan's CIA was busy framing Trump, Venezuela went to shit.

Graham can't be serious. He's playing good cop bad cop.

Maybe best to let it simmer for a time. Maduro still holds power apparently.

Take time to get our stuff together.

[sneakypete]

Will someone please ask Lady Lindsey to send me a note telling me when the US because the Baby Daddy of Venezuela?

They voted the communists into power,so let them remove their own damn trash.

[TomSea]

I think Lindsay's wrong but we should keep pressure up.

We overthrew freely elected leadership in Latin America, so to use the phrase they elected it is a cop-out to me, that's 20 years ago or more and there were probably some fraudulent elections.  We meddled before, sometimes you do the right thing but not at the sacrifice of Americans.

The free world, does recognize Guiado as President. He is the legitimate leader, I just don't think we need to bomb, invade or anything like that. The change should come.

But military intervention at this point in time, I don't think is necessary or needed.

There are legit concerns, nations are being flooded with refugees, they do have manpads that could be sold to terrorists and apparently, we have a working relationship with Colombia in the war on drugs. We do have to be careful if the region gets destabilized.

Trump's pressuring North Korea, Venezuela, Iran... all 3 of these may work out, in fact, so far it is. Venezuela is at the negotiating table in Norway as reported.

[TomSea]

I noticed after all this write up last night, I didn't add in what one would have to know per reading the article and maybe one does not know. I certainly rarely read entire articles.

Graham compared Grenada to Venezuela, he said, Reagan told the Cubans to get out and when they didn't, we invaded them. Graham said Trump should do the same with Venezuela, long story short, Venezuela is huge compared to Grenada.  Not a fair comparison for me.

I use to think Lindsay was smart. I still think he is smart but maybe sometimes he (and Marco too whom I like) say things that sounds "expert" but really are not. And I will still like him but I do say, Lindsay, get it together, know of what you are talking about or you'll be left flat footed.

Here is Grenada and you can see it the inlet map to see how Grenada compares in size to other islands in the Carribean:



Now here is Venezuela, anything strike one about Lindsay talking as an expert? Or at the least, maybe Grenada and Venezuela aren't the best comparisons:



So,  Venezuela · Area  352,144 sq miles (912,054 km²) is actually bigger than Texas, 268,820 sq miles . I would have figured, Venezuela was about the size of Wyoming say, certainly surprising.  Grenada · Area 132 sq miles .  Grenada is tiny. To me, a bad comparison.

Anyone see a problem with Lindsay's logic here? I do think the people of Venezuela overwhelmingly want Maduro out and I do think it's an illegitimate government. So, even talking elections, they haven't had fair ones in awhile.

[Absalom]

Coupla observations;
* Guido is less a leader than Missy May of Britain was.
* Trumpet never had any strategy for Venezuela or NK or
Iran or China; which should hardly be news to anyone
w/an IQ greater than a brick.

[Victoria33]

@TomSea
You said, "I use to think Lindsay was smart. I still think he is smart but maybe sometimes he (and Marco too whom I like) say things that sounds "expert" but really are not. And I will still like him but I do say, Lindsay, get it together, know of what you are talking about or you'll be left flat footed."
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I studied Lindsey Graham's behavior (Yes, it's that "behavior" thing again) while growing up, his parents being killed, supporting his sister until she graduated from college, and his adulthood including his military service, and as a Senator.

He always has/needs a "best friend", in order to function well (perhaps the needed best friend is a replacement for his parents dying early in his life).  As you know, McCain was this best friend.  Graham would have defended McCain to his own destruction.  Unfortunately, Graham could not kill cancer and save his best friend.  Graham was shut down for awhile after McCain's death.  He was alone.  He has now made the transition to Trump as his best friend.  I have heard Graham say he calls Trump and they also play golf together.  As with McCain, Graham will defend Trump to the end, his new best friend.  When Graham speaks about Trump, his (Graham's) eyes sparkle and he smiles as he speaks.

I am not taking sides with Graham or Trump in this as there is no right or wrong - it is just as it is - it describes why Graham needed a new best friend and has one - Trump.

After I wrote the above, I found this article describing the change in Graham.  Yes, it is msnbc but it turned up in search as I looked for articles describing what happened to Graham after McCain died.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/poll-answers-the-what-happened-lindsey-graham-question

[sneakypete]

Coupla observations;
* Guido is less a leader than Missy May of Britain was.
* Trumpet never had any strategy for Venezuela or NK or
Iran or China; which should hardly be news to anyone
w/an IQ greater than a brick.

@Absalon

Wouldn't YOU have to have an IQ greater than a brick yourself to judge the intellectual ability of others?

[sneakypete]

@TomSea
You said, "I use to think Lindsay was smart. I still think he is smart but maybe sometimes he (and Marco too whom I like) say things that sounds "expert" but really are not. And I will still like him but I do say, Lindsay, get it together, know of what you are talking about or you'll be left flat footed."
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I studied Lindsey Graham's behavior (Yes, it's that "behavior" thing again) while growing up, his parents being killed, supporting his sister until she graduated from college, and his adulthood including his military service, and as a Senator.

He always has/needs a "best friend", in order to function well (perhaps the needed best friend is a replacement for his parents dying early in his life).  As you know, McCain was this best friend.  Graham would have defended McCain to his own destruction.  Unfortunately, Graham could not kill cancer and save his best friend.  Graham was shut down for awhile after McCain's death.  He was alone.  He has now made the transition to Trump as his best friend.  I have heard Graham say he calls Trump and they also play golf together.  As with McCain, Graham will defend Trump to the end, his new best friend.  When Graham speaks about Trump, his (Graham's) eyes sparkle and he smiles as he speaks.

I am not taking sides with Graham or Trump in this as there is no right or wrong - it is just as it is - it describes why Graham needed a new best friend and has one - Trump.

After I wrote the above, I found this article describing the change in Graham.  Yes, it is msnbc but it turned up in search as I looked for articles describing what happened to Graham after McCain died.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/poll-answers-the-what-happened-lindsey-graham-question

@Victoria33

This had never occurred to me before,but now that you mention the possibility,I think you nailed it.

BTW,I see that as more of a "human thing" than I do a "good thing" or a "bad thing".

Good one!

[TomSea]

Coupla observations;
* Guido is less a leader than Missy May of Britain was.
* Trumpet never had any strategy for Venezuela or NK or
Iran or China; which should hardly be news to anyone
w/an IQ greater than a brick.

So one must be disappointed that North Korea is not firing off missiles willy-nilly and the specter of nuclear war is upon us (and to an extent it always is but that's beside the point), it takes all kinds.

Guido is no Italian, I guess, not even being able to spell his name tells us something. 

China, being taken to task.

Iran, funding being cut off from terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. I hardly see that as a failure.

No problem with the observations,  more people should make them though.

[Absalom]

@Absalon

Wouldn't YOU have to have an IQ greater than a brick yourself to judge the intellectual ability of others?

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Er............................no.
Their performance does the talking.

[TomSea]

I've run into this before about Guiado, the guy could easily be arrested or worse at any time so indeed, he is very brave. He is now the official leader in Venezuela, fwiw,  he was elected by their assembly per their constitution.   

[TomSea]

@TomSea
You said, "I use to think Lindsay was smart. I still think he is smart but maybe sometimes he (and Marco too whom I like) say things that sounds "expert" but really are not. And I will still like him but I do say, Lindsay, get it together, know of what you are talking about or you'll be left flat footed."
______________
I studied Lindsey Graham's behavior (Yes, it's that "behavior" thing again) while growing up, his parents being killed, supporting his sister until she graduated from college, and his adulthood including his military service, and as a Senator.

He always has/needs a "best friend", in order to function well (perhaps the needed best friend is a replacement for his parents dying early in his life).  As you know, McCain was this best friend.  Graham would have defended McCain to his own destruction.  Unfortunately, Graham could not kill cancer and save his best friend.  Graham was shut down for awhile after McCain's death.  He was alone.  He has now made the transition to Trump as his best friend.  I have heard Graham say he calls Trump and they also play golf together.  As with McCain, Graham will defend Trump to the end, his new best friend.  When Graham speaks about Trump, his (Graham's) eyes sparkle and he smiles as he speaks.

I am not taking sides with Graham or Trump in this as there is no right or wrong - it is just as it is - it describes why Graham needed a new best friend and has one - Trump.

After I wrote the above, I found this article describing the change in Graham.  Yes, it is msnbc but it turned up in search as I looked for articles describing what happened to Graham after McCain died.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/poll-answers-the-what-happened-lindsey-graham-question

Thank you @Victoria33

New TV show coming out this fall on Trump and Graham.


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[mountaineer]

Meanwhile:

Associated Press portrays Venezuela’s criminals as an ultimate success story of socialism
May 28, 2019 by Carlos Eire   

From our Bureau of Surprising Perspectives on Evil

Leave it to Granma Lite (Associated Press) to find this peculiar positive angle on the benefits of Castro-inspired Bolivarian socialism.

Socialism does have something great to offer, you see: Once a country’s economy has collapsed totally, as is the case in Venezuela, criminals are left with nothing to steal, or even with no incentive for killing, especially with costly bullets and firearms. ...

From Jazz Shaw at Hot Air:

    I had to read this Associated Press report a couple of times this morning before finally being convinced that it wasn’t satire. (Well, not intentional satire, anyway.) If you’ve been paying any attention at all to the societal collapse of Venezuela under the yoke of socialism, you know that things down there are bad. I mean really bad. We’re talking no running water or medicine bad. People starving to death in the streets bad. Being beaten to death by government goons bad. So the impact on rank and file citizens has been massive and almost uniformly negative.

    But there’s one segment of Venezuelan society that’s also hurting but doesn’t get nearly the same level of media attention or foreign aid. Criminals. That’s right… the Associated Press has done a deep dive into how the troubles in that nation have impacted the lives of criminals, and they interviewed a confessed mass murderer for some perspective.

    ” The feared street gangster El Negrito sleeps with a pistol under his pillow and says he’s lost track of his murder count. But despite his hardened demeanor, he’s quick to gripe about how Venezuela’s failing economy is cutting into his profits.

    Firing a gun has become a luxury. Bullets are expensive at $1 each. And with less cash circulating on the street, he says robberies just don’t pay like they used to.”

    The AP finds the silver lining in this dark cloud, pointing out that assaults, robberies, murders, and kidnappings are all on the decline these days. The reason? Most people have almost nothing worth stealing, can’t afford to pay ransoms, and the few Bolivars they manage to squirrel away are so worthless as to make not worth the effort to rob them. And as the “feared street gangster El Negrito” points out, have you seen the price of bullets? It’s getting too expensive to shoot people!  ...

More at BabaluBlog

[jafo2010]

There is an argulent to go into Vennezuela.  Russia and China are pouring into Vennezuela, and if we do not want any ,ore countries in our hemisphere being controlled by these enemy states, then we need to deal with Vennezuela with force.  But Vennezuela is not Grenada.  Considering the chaos there, it should not be much worse than Grenada.

[DCPatriot]

There is an argulent to go into Vennezuela.  Russia and China are pouring into Vennezuela, and if we do not want any ,ore countries in our hemisphere being controlled by these enemy states, then we need to deal with Vennezuela with force.  But Vennezuela is not Grenada.  Considering the chaos there, it should not be much worse than Grenada.

I totally agree, after viewing the map posted above.

Yesterday, the Panama Canal...is Venezuela puppet state next?

Plus, how long has it been since a Venezuelan girl has won the Miss Universe or Miss World, whatever?  They used to be finalists at a minimum.   

[thackney]

There is an argulent to go into Vennezuela.  Russia and China are pouring into Vennezuela, and if we do not want any ,ore countries in our hemisphere being controlled by these enemy states, then we need to deal with Vennezuela with force.  But Vennezuela is not Grenada.  Considering the chaos there, it should not be much worse than Grenada.

I do not recommend equating a 135 sq mile country with a population of 107 thousand with a 353,841 sq mile country with a population of 31 million.

[240B]

The only way an invasion of Venezuela could work is if it was done like D-Day. It would have to be a swift, quick, overwhelming invasion. The VietNam example of sending 'advisors' and 'supporting forces' would be a disaster. It has to be done like a Blitzkrieg. And even in victory, there will likely be a guerilla war for years to come.

This would put America in direct military conflict with several major world powers. Could easily escalate to a larger war.