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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #150 on: March 25, 2019, 05:03:07 pm »
Before we jump in with both feet and join the Dems chant of "release the report"...lets remember that there are people's testimony given in a secret grand jury who went there with the promise (by law) that what they said under oath wouldn't stay secret.

To release the full report would be in violation of the law.  There were people hauled before that grand jusry with no lawyer...no way to rebut anything said to them or have legal representation provided to them while they were questioned.

If what they said is just tossed out on the street you'll never have anyone come forward in any kind of grand jury again out of fear of being "outed" by a pitchfork and torches crowd of the kind we're seeing now where the Mueller Report is concerned.


Before you continue with the "release the report"...I suggest you read this:

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE III. THE GRAND JURY, THE INDICTMENT, AND THE INFORMATION › Rule 6. The Grand Jury

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #151 on: March 25, 2019, 05:03:12 pm »
In a month or so, after the portions of the report that can be made public have been published I really want Trump to start pardoning all the people that got caught up in this hoax.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #152 on: March 25, 2019, 05:04:32 pm »
Quote from: bilo on March 25, 2019, 05:03:12 pm
In a month or so, after the portions of the report that can be made public have been published I really want Trump to start pardoning all the people that got caught up in this hoax.

Same here!

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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #153 on: March 25, 2019, 05:07:12 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:03:07 pm
Before we jump in with both feet and join the Dems chant of "release the report"...lets remember that there are people's testimony given in a secret grand jury who went there with the promise (by law) that what they said under oath wouldn't stay secret.

To release the full report would be in violation of the law.  There were people hauled before that grand jusry with no lawyer...no way to rebut anything said to them or have legal representation provided to them while they were questioned.

If what they said is just tossed out on the street you'll never have anyone come forward in any kind of grand jury again out of fear of being "outed" by a pitchfork and torches crowd of the kind we're seeing now where the Mueller Report is concerned.


Before you continue with the "release the report"...I suggest you read this:

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE III. THE GRAND JURY, THE INDICTMENT, AND THE INFORMATION › Rule 6. The Grand Jury

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6
Thanks for some clear headed thought on this topic. It's refreshing!
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #154 on: March 25, 2019, 05:24:14 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 25, 2019, 05:07:12 pm
Thanks for some clear headed thought on this topic. It's refreshing!

It's too easy to mindlessly spout "release the report" over and over...it's a real knee jerk response given by people who don't realize the consequences involved for people who appeared before that grand jury the last couple years.

I can only hope the President's legal counsel advises him of the same issues as well and Trump turns down the volume on his being ok with releasing the full report.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #155 on: March 25, 2019, 05:27:09 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:24:14 pm
It's too easy to mindlessly spout "release the report" over and over...it's a real knee jerk response given by people who don't realize the consequences involved for people who appeared before that grand jury the last couple years.

I can only hope the President's legal counsel advises him of the same issues as well and Trump turns down the volume on his being ok with releasing the full report.

"Release the report" is one of those things that sound good on paper, but....
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #156 on: March 25, 2019, 05:33:43 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 25, 2019, 04:47:05 pm
If the investigation is to be turned around to investigate the possibly very real criminal types and acts of the 2016 election, he MUST say this, or the first line of defense for the Dems will be that any investigation is merely a reprisal and a waste of time.

This must have the look of legitimacy, otherwise any further attempts to ferret out the Criminal acts of the Obama DOJ and Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, and other egregious violations (including e-mail servers) will be broad brushed as a fishing expedition by the almost completely Left dominated mainstream press.

Excellent reminder.

It’s also reminds me that Trump was the one man who knew the truth about collusion, and he stood his ground against the relentless, incoming lies and slander about himself, his family, friends and associates; the most intense mainstream media scrutiny and hostility towards a sitting president and his administration in modern times – and he didn’t blink.

That’s been his entire presidency. He wouldn’t be pushed into overstepping his presidential authority even by an investigation he knew was baseless. Indeed, he had some measured, even gracious comments to make about democratic leadership, the DOJ and even Mueller at times.

He never once blinked though he knew it was a witch hunt. Anyone think Romney, or Jeb!, or Rubio could of stood up to the same press attacks?
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #157 on: March 25, 2019, 05:45:01 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on March 25, 2019, 05:33:43 pm
Anyone think Romney, or Jeb!, or Rubio could of stood up to the same press attacks?

Only one other person could have...but that's because he was on the receiving end of the same kind of attacks and smears and never blinked back in 2016.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #158 on: March 25, 2019, 05:47:29 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on March 25, 2019, 05:33:43 pm
Excellent reminder.

It’s also reminds me that Trump was the one man who knew the truth about collusion, and he stood his ground against the relentless, incoming lies and slander about himself, his family, friends and associates; the most intense mainstream media scrutiny and hostility towards a sitting president and his administration in modern times – and he didn’t blink.

That’s been his entire presidency. He wouldn’t be pushed into overstepping his presidential authority even by an investigation he knew was baseless. Indeed, he had some measured, even gracious comments to make about democratic leadership, the DOJ and even Mueller at times.

He never once blinked though he knew it was a witch hunt. Anyone think Romney, or Jeb!, or Rubio could of stood up to the same press attacks?
I don't know what Romney, Jeb, or Rubio have been up to, (as in there might have been a 'there' there), but I'm not really a fan of any of them.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #159 on: March 25, 2019, 05:58:08 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on March 25, 2019, 05:33:43 pm

Anybody supporting him, was likely to be called names, called racist, called Nazi, called bootlicker, called goosestepper, etc.

Weren't they?
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #160 on: March 25, 2019, 06:05:14 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:24:14 pm
It's too easy to mindlessly spout "release the report" over and over...it's a real knee jerk response given by people who don't realize the consequences involved for people who appeared before that grand jury the last couple years.

I can only hope the President's legal counsel advises him of the same issues as well and Trump turns down the volume on his being ok with releasing the full report.

Too late.

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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #161 on: March 25, 2019, 06:18:51 pm »
"Release the Report" is merly to get ammunition for"Flak."

During WWII bombers would encouter "flak" in order to disable their instruments, to navigate, etc.

The dems next move is to put up a disabling amount of flak.

Just like they sought to bring down, Trump or disable him, they now move on to Plan B, more bullshiite adinfinitum.

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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #162 on: March 25, 2019, 06:19:44 pm »
March 25, 2019:

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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: It lasted a long time. We're glad it's over. It's 100% the way it should have been. I wish it could have gone a lot sooner, a lot quicker. There are a lot of people out there that have done some very, very evil things, very bad things. I would say treasonous things against our country and hopefully that people that have done such harm to our country, speaking to Netanyahu: we've gone through a period of really bad things happening.

Those people will certainly be looked at. I've been looking at them for a long time and I'm saying why haven't they been looked at? They lied to Congress. Many of them, you know who they are, they've done so many evil things.

I will tell you, I love this country. I love this country as much as I can love anything. My family, my country, my God, but what they did, it was a false narrative. It was a terrible thing. We can never let this happen to another president again. I can tell you that. I say it very strongly. Very few people I know could have handled it. We can never, ever let this happen to another president again. Thank you all very much.

Video:  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/25/trump_on_mueller_decision_people_have_done_evil_treasonous_things.html
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #163 on: March 25, 2019, 06:21:41 pm »
Quote from: bilo on March 25, 2019, 05:03:12 pm
In a month or so, after the portions of the report that can be made public have been published I really want Trump to start pardoning all the people that got caught up in this hoax.


He would be better off granting clemency than issuing pardons. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Also, you are still able to be subpoenaed, for other investigations. Once a person has accepted a pardon, they cannot plead the 5th on issues related to any testimony that is relevant.  There are still open investigations in which people like Manafort are implicated.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #164 on: March 25, 2019, 06:22:23 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:03:07 pm
Before we jump in with both feet and join the Dems chant of "release the report"...lets remember that there are people's testimony given in a secret grand jury who went there with the promise (by law) that what they said under oath wouldn't stay secret.

To release the full report would be in violation of the law.  There were people hauled before that grand jusry with no lawyer...no way to rebut anything said to them or have legal representation provided to them while they were questioned.

If what they said is just tossed out on the street you'll never have anyone come forward in any kind of grand jury again out of fear of being "outed" by a pitchfork and torches crowd of the kind we're seeing now where the Mueller Report is concerned.


Before you continue with the "release the report"...I suggest you read this:

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE III. THE GRAND JURY, THE INDICTMENT, AND THE INFORMATION › Rule 6. The Grand Jury

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6 

Can't be said often enough  :thumbsup:
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #165 on: March 25, 2019, 06:35:03 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on March 25, 2019, 05:33:43 pm

He never once blinked though he knew it was a witch hunt. Anyone think Romney, or Jeb!, or Rubio could of stood up to the same press attacks?

Sure Rubio could have, Marco respects the Bible, doesn't mock it, Rubio had his grassroots supporters, doesn't claim some Governor of Ohio is being funded by Soros. When you do no wrong, what does one have to worry about?
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #166 on: March 25, 2019, 06:37:17 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:45:01 pm
Only one other person could have...but that's because he was on the receiving end of the same kind of attacks and smears and never blinked back in 2016.

 :thumbsup:

Even though, it hurt to see the Bible mocked, Rubio braved the whole scenario. Totally agree.


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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #167 on: March 25, 2019, 06:38:43 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:03:07 pm
Before we jump in with both feet and join the Dems chant of "release the report"...lets remember that there are people's testimony given in a secret grand jury who went there with the promise (by law) that what they said under oath wouldn't stay secret.

To release the full report would be in violation of the law.  There were people hauled before that grand jusry with no lawyer...no way to rebut anything said to them or have legal representation provided to them while they were questioned.

If what they said is just tossed out on the street you'll never have anyone come forward in any kind of grand jury again out of fear of being "outed" by a pitchfork and torches crowd of the kind we're seeing now where the Mueller Report is concerned.


Before you continue with the "release the report"...I suggest you read this:

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE III. THE GRAND JURY, THE INDICTMENT, AND THE INFORMATION › Rule 6. The Grand Jury

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6

I'm pretty sure I just heard (on Rush show) Trump say he had no problem with the public release of the Mueller report.  Also...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435566-sarah-sanders-trump-doesnt-have-any-problem-with-release-of-mueller
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #168 on: March 25, 2019, 06:45:30 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on March 25, 2019, 06:37:17 pm
:thumbsup:

Even though, it hurt to see the Bible mocked, Rubio braved the whole scenario. Totally agree.


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Why are you such a bald faced effing liar?  How many times are you going to repeat this debunked bullsh*t?
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #169 on: March 25, 2019, 06:48:02 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on March 25, 2019, 06:18:51 pm
"Release the Report" is merly to get ammunition for"Flak."

During WWII bombers would encouter "flak" in order to disable their instruments, to navigate, etc.

The dems next move is to put up a disabling amount of flak.

Just like they sought to bring down, Trump or disable him, they now move on to Plan B, more bullshiite adinfinitum.
During WWII "flak" was the exploding shells from antiaircraft batteries trying to shoot the planes down. Messing with the instruments (aside from destruction by shrapnel) wasn't part of the picture. The flak (antiaircraft fire) was always most intense on the vicinity of whatever was being defended, to try to stop the attack by destroying the planes.
A couple of survivors...


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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #170 on: March 25, 2019, 06:48:36 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on March 25, 2019, 06:38:43 pm
I'm pretty sure I just heard (on Rush show) Trump say he had no problem with the public release of the Mueller report.  Also...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435566-sarah-sanders-trump-doesnt-have-any-problem-with-release-of-mueller

Well he’s wrong. And he’s wrong for the reasons I stated above. He’d be violating the law in releasing the full report. And knowing the Dems...despite their calls to do the same...they’d turn and use the released report and the law it violates against him as a “gotcha”.
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #171 on: March 25, 2019, 06:51:38 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 06:48:36 pm
Well he’s wrong. And he’s wrong for the reasons I stated above. He’d be violating the law in releasing the full report. And knowing the Dems...despite their calls to do the same...they’d turn and use the released report and the law it violates against him as a “gotcha”.

Oh, I totally agree.  Somebody should probably clue in/tell Donald that he's wrong.   :shrug:

And let's face it... nothing short of the entire report release (no heavily redacted stuff) would suffice with the idiot left. 
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #172 on: March 25, 2019, 06:54:03 pm »
Trump wrong about something????
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #173 on: March 25, 2019, 07:02:05 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on March 25, 2019, 06:38:43 pm
I'm pretty sure I just heard (on Rush show) Trump say he had no problem with the public release of the Mueller report.

I heard the President live and he added:  It's up to the Department of Justice @XenaLee
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Re: March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates
« Reply #174 on: March 25, 2019, 07:13:17 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on March 25, 2019, 05:03:07 pm
Before we jump in with both feet and join the Dems chant of "release the report"...lets remember that there are people's testimony given in a secret grand jury who went there with the promise (by law) that what they said under oath wouldn't stay secret.

To release the full report would be in violation of the law.  There were people hauled before that grand jusry with no lawyer...no way to rebut anything said to them or have legal representation provided to them while they were questioned.

If what they said is just tossed out on the street you'll never have anyone come forward in any kind of grand jury again out of fear of being "outed" by a pitchfork and torches crowd of the kind we're seeing now where the Mueller Report is concerned.


Before you continue with the "release the report"...I suggest you read this:

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure › TITLE III. THE GRAND JURY, THE INDICTMENT, AND THE INFORMATION › Rule 6. The Grand Jury

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6


Except whether judges can release grand jury testimony is something that is currently making its way through the judicial system.


Appeals court affirms judges can release secret grand jury records

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2019/02/11/appeals-court-release-secret-grand-jury-records-1164440
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