Socialism talk will sink Democrats: How left-wing overreach could backfire big-time in 2020

[roamer_1]

Universal healthcare and a public college option for young people. I think those things would strengthen our nation a lot if we can somehow keep the left from letting the entire third world in at the same time.

There is no way possible to accomplish what you want. It is trillions of dollars a year (outstripping our GNP by double or more) and will run the tax rates up so far that there will be no return. We are already out of other peoples money. So where pray tell, will you get the money to afford this? Or are you like AOC, relying on magic bananas and unicorn farts?

[roamer_1]

I think we're approaching a wall and that we simply don't have an option but to turn in another direction. I'm not even saying it'll be some wonderland, just that human labor will become obsolete and that that truth will have profound impacts on human society.

Yes, we are - That wall is all about big gov spending more than we have... And you want to spend more even yet.
You are part of the problem... Not the solution.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You can always vote yourself into Socialism.

But you'll have to shoot your way out of it.

@To-Whose-Benefit?

Exactly right. It has been proven over and over again... And yet they pine for it. It makes no sense.

[Axeslinger]

Yes, we are - That wall is all about big gov spending more than we have... And you want to spend more even yet.
You are part of the problem... Not the solution.

@roamer_1

If you ever make your way to NC or VA, you be sure to hit me up...the whiskey is on me.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

If you ever make your way to NC or VA, you be sure to hit me up...the whiskey is on me.

@Axeslinger
Same to you, the other way around... Which would be more likely.
I truly doubt I will ever get more than a hundred miles from right here.
 

[Cyber Liberty]

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

That's rich...claiming conservatives argue in bad faith.

[Dexter]

That's rich...claiming conservatives argue in bad faith.

I didn't make a general statement about conservatives. Sometimes some conservatives do argue in bad faith, and I think that's an example. There was also no implication that people on the left don't do it too.

[Cyber Liberty]

I didn't make a general statement about conservatives. Sometimes some conservatives do argue in bad faith, and I think that's an example. There was also no implication that people on the left don't do it too.

You wrote:

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

I stand corrected.  You said Briefers are arguing in bad faith. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

@Dexter

Have a look next door at Sweden.

The Swedes can't get a response out of their Govt today, and they seemingly can't get rid of it,

, As their sisters, daughters, and other ladies are being gang raped, beaten and cut up thanks to their bleep excuse for a Govt.

We're almost at the same point here because of our Socialist Party and their packed Courts.

And you want even More of it?

[Cyber Liberty]

@Dexter

Have a look next door at Sweden.

The Swedes can't get a response out of their Govt today, and they seemingly can't get rid of it,

, As their sisters, daughters, and other ladies are being gang raped, beaten and cut up thanks to their bleep excuse for a Govt.

We're almost at the same point here because of our Socialist Party and their packed Courts.

And you want even More of it?

He seems to be of the mind that "the wrong people are doing it.  He can do better."

Sound familiar?

[Dexter]

I stand corrected.  You said Briefers are arguing in bad faith. 

I think what Axe said is a variation of a bad faith argument that is sometimes used by conservatives.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think what Axe said is a variation of a bad faith argument that is sometimes used by conservatives.

Your knife is not sharp enough to split hairs like that.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

He seems to be of the mind that "the wrong people are doing it.  He can do better."

Sound familiar?

Does it Ever!

Socialists always need a fall guy/alternate Ideology to blame their own system's structural faults on.

My favorite was one claiming Nazi Germany started out as the Socialist Dream, but Capitalists took it over, so we can't Call it Socialist.

The only people who don't understand Socialism are the Socialists themselves.

There's no such thing as "The Right People" to run Socialism. The system itself turns them into paper shuffling monsters.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@Cyber Liberty

BTW, that Capitalists were the Evil Crew who wrecked the Third Reich, was a Counselor, reprogramming people in a Community Mental Health Center.

And folks wonder why I'm so down on the whole kit and kaboodle of them.

[LMAO]

Sander supporters always insist, despite his past statements, that he doesn’t want a South American failed system or a Cuba style system

Neither did the  Venezuelans,the Cubans, the Russians, the Greeks, the Spanish, Italians, ect ect but that’s were they ended up

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Sander supporters always insist, despite his past statements, that he doesn’t want a South American failed system or a Cuba style system

Neither did the  Venezuelans,the Cubans, the Russians, the Greeks, the Spanish, Italians, ect ect but that’s were they ended up

The Scandivian models, I doubt, make note of what I believe would be a closer sense of community among the Citizens than you'd find in Mediterranean countries.

It's too damn Cold up there for them to Not get close together.

[LMAO]

The Scandivian models, I doubt, make note of what I believe would be a closer sense of community among the Citizens than you'd find in Mediterranean countries.

It's too damn Cold up there for them to Not get close together.

Even the Scandinavian model is poised to feel financial pressures regarding the welfare state they created. An aging population plus low birth rates. In response, they, like many European countries believed importing people, mainly from N Africa and Middle Eastern countries will offset that and help finance the welfare state. The problem is that isn’t going as hoped

You cannot defeat math

[roamer_1]

Even the Scandinavian model is poised to feel financial pressures regarding the welfare state they created. An aging population plus low birth rates. In response, they, like many European countries believed importing people, mainly from N Africa and Middle Eastern countries will offset that and help finance the welfare state. The problem is that isn’t going as hoped

You cannot defeat math

Math. No lie there... just the tax rate will prove that out.

[Axeslinger]

I think what Axe said is a variation of a bad faith argument that is sometimes used by conservatives.

And I think you answered so quickly that it proves you didn’t bother to read the article I linked.

[sneakypete]

The churches used to care for their less fortunate flock.  Too bad nobody attends anymore.

Ironically, the last best hope to sustain that lies with the Catholic Hispanic immigrant.  Legal or otherwise.

@DCPatriot

The Catholic Church helps nobody but the Catholic Church.

[sneakypete]

I don't predict food shortages being an issue in a world where human labor isn't needed anymore.

@Dexter

What will all the Pod People be eating,each other,or Soylent Green?

[sneakypete]

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

@Dexter

IIRC,Norway's socialism is paid for by North Sea oil. Bernies socialism is paid for using Fairy Farts.

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot

The Catholic Church helps nobody but the Catholic Church.

Not what I meant.  I'm speaking at the parochial level, not from the Papacy.

Catholic Charities may have evolved since my days as an altar boy.