Ted Cruz still unconvinced on Trump’s emergency declaration

[Dexter]

You mean like Deutche Bank?

Donald Trump is very clearly a different kind of animal. He is a nationalist. That's exactly why the establishment on both sides was horrified by his victory.

[edpc]

Donald Trump is very clearly a different kind of animal. He is a nationalist.

I guess it depends on the day, weather, or something.


“Hey, I’m a nationalist and a globalist,” Trump told the Wall Street Journal on Thursday. “I’m both.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/04/28/trump-im-a-nationalist-and-a-globalist/

[corbe]

   Here ya go @Dexter

[TomSea]

He's not the only one on this.  It is a big decision, nothing to make lightly. I know some Republican Senators from the start did not want the emergency declaration. Shame. Shame it went this whole direction.

[Night Hides Not]

   Here ya go @Dexter

You saved him at least 15 minutes...bravo!   

It was predictable that the Orange Brigadiers would rise up in anger over the traitorous behavior of Senator Cruz...I mean "Lyin' Ted".

Trump surrounds himself with nefarious characters such as Cohen and Manafort, and everyone's surprised/saddened/angered when they act like the rats they are to save their necks? smdh

[edpc]

Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon, Anthony Scaramucci, James Donovan, and Dina Powell. All have been or are part of this admin. All have worked for Goldman Sachs.

[Sanguine]

Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon, Anthony Scaramucci, James Donovan, and Dina Powell. All have been or are part of this admin. All have worked for Goldman Sachs.

So....if Cruz is controlled by Goldman Sachs and all those people are G/S drones, then wouldn't Cruz have gone along with what they wanted him to do rather than openly questioning the Constitutionality of this move?   

(That question isn't for you, @edpc, it's more for @Dexter and jafo.)

[Dexter]

So....if Cruz is controlled by Goldman Sachs and all those people are G/S drones, then wouldn't Cruz have gone along with what they wanted him to do rather than openly questioning the Constitutionality of this move?   

I see Cruz as a puppet that's meant to give conservatives hope while ultimately being impotent in the struggle to stop globalism. He has to at least appear to walk the walk, otherwise conservatives won't trust him.

[Chosen Daughter]

I don't know Cruz's position, but just like the rest of the Conservatives, I can predict it:
It is not the declaration of emergency.
It is the denial of the House's right to the purse, and redirecting money that is otherwise allocated.

We wouldn't be at this place had Trump not allocated that money in that bill that promoted amnesty.  The bill which he signed that gave him only 1.3 or whatever the number was.  He signed onto that.  He should have never signed that piece of garbage.  If he wanted to declare the Emergency Declaration it should have been because he couldn't sign a bill that didn't promote border security.  And I am sure that McConnell was well aware that he was going to drop this declaration as soon as Trump signed the bill.

What gets me is all these "allways Trump" people who cannot own the situation.  Trump ruined any chance of border security by signing the bill.  Then he says as he is ordering the Emergency Declaration that he didn't have to.  Well he did but the order was wrong.  It should have come after he vetoed a bill that was a bloated gift to open border liberals.  Which he didn't do.

Don't blame Cruz, Sasse, Tillerson, Paul......etc.  I do see the Constitutional argument even though I wish that Trump could build the wall.  Actually I am nearly over the wall.  Because it is just sections of waste.  If you want to build a wall it has to be a full length.  Which brings us to what Trump has accomplished on border security.  Nothing.

Can you imagine the wall in Israel that we use to say walls work with gaps?  Can you imagine if they allowed the Palestinians to dictate where they wanted a wall?  Same thing Trump did when he gave local governments the right to say no to the wall.  A wall doesn't work if its not a wall.

[Sanguine]

I see Cruz as a puppet that's meant to give conservatives hope while ultimately being impotent in the struggle to stop globalism. He has to at least appear to walk the walk, otherwise conservatives won't trust him.

Ah, the old 3-dimensional chess move.  Luckily we have you to explain it for us.

[Night Hides Not]

We wouldn't be at this place had Trump not allocated that money in that bill that promoted amnesty.  The bill which he signed that gave him only 1.3 or whatever the number was.  He signed onto that.  He should have never signed that piece of garbage.  If he wanted to declare the Emergency Declaration it should have been because he couldn't sign a bill that didn't promote border security.  And I am sure that McConnell was well aware that he was going to drop this declaration as soon as Trump signed the bill.

What gets me is all these "allways Trump" people who cannot own the situation.  Trump ruined any chance of border security by signing the bill.  Then he says as he is ordering the Emergency Declaration that he didn't have to.  Well he did but the order was wrong.  It should have come after he vetoed a bill that was a bloated gift to open border liberals.  Which he didn't do.

Don't blame Cruz, Sasse, Tillerson, Paul......etc.  I do see the Constitutional argument even though I wish that Trump could build the wall.  Actually I am nearly over the wall.  Because it is just sections of waste.  If you want to build a wall it has to be a full length.  Which brings us to what Trump has accomplished on border security.  Nothing.

Can you imagine the wall in Israel that we use to say walls work with gaps?  Can you imagine if they allowed the Palestinians to dictate where they wanted a wall?  Same thing Trump did when he gave local governments the right to say no to the wall.  A wall doesn't work if its not a wall.

@Chosen Daughter , I've lived in Texas for 30+ years, and a "full length" wall is not necessary. There are choke points where a wall would be very effective, while other measures could be used for the miles of desolation that are difficult to traverse, even with 4 wheel drive vehicles.

Trump has talked a good game on border security, but the actual results are spotty at best.

[Chosen Daughter]

Ah, the old 3-dimensional chess move.  Luckily we have you to explain it for us.

Right.  Maybe he can explain also how Cruz didn't support the amnesty bill that Trump signed.  Trump makes big messes and then everyone else is responsible.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Chosen Daughter , I've lived in Texas for 30+ years, and a "full length" wall is not necessary. There are choke points where a wall would be very effective, while other measures could be used for the miles of desolation that are difficult to traverse, even with 4 wheel drive vehicles.

Trump has talked a good game on border security, but the actual results are spotty at best.

Not even the issue.  Its what Trump signed allowing local governments to opt out.

[edpc]

We wouldn't be at this place had Trump not allocated that money in that bill that promoted amnesty.  The bill which he signed that gave him only 1.3 or whatever the number was.  He signed onto that.  He should have never signed that piece of garbage.  If he wanted to declare the Emergency Declaration it should have been because he couldn't sign a bill that didn't promote border security.  And I am sure that McConnell was well aware that he was going to drop this declaration as soon as Trump signed the bill.

The timing of the bill forced his hand. He could have vetoed it, but the bipartisan nature and lack of will for another shutdown would have resulted in an embarrassing override vote. A pocket veto would have required a temporary shutdown, while the 10 day countdown went through its process.

The entire situation was rather self-inflicted, however. He ended up signing a short term CR to get the bad deal. If he had just signed the original CR in December, there would have been more time to negotiate, no shutdown in the interim, and the leverage of using it to possibly get a better deal.

[roamer_1]

Don't blame Cruz, Sasse, Tillerson, Paul......etc.  I do see the Constitutional argument even though I wish that Trump could build the wall.  Actually I am nearly over the wall.  Because it is just sections of waste.  If you want to build a wall it has to be a full length.  Which brings us to what Trump has accomplished on border security.  Nothing.

Butt butt butt... He will still get a victory lap right? And he will still be the man who single-handedly did more to close the border than anyone evah, right?   

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

The simps in this forum need to recognize the difference between a crisis and an emergency.

[skeeter]

The simps in this forum need to recognize the difference between a crisis and an emergency.

Other simps on this forum need to look at the history of the use of the executive's emergency powers before calling anyone else a simp.

[Sanguine]

The simps in this forum need to recognize the difference between a crisis and an emergency.

Sometimes, such as now, they can be both at the same time.

[roamer_1]

The simps in this forum need to recognize the difference between a crisis and an emergency.

Call it an emergency - That's fine... But the money has to come through the House. Proper. And no matter how you wiggle, and no matter how you dance... That sure as hell ain't gonna happen.

I told all y'all I was more comfortable with him declaring war on Mexico. This is seriously wrong.

[XenaLee]

Big international businesses like Koch industries and others that have ties with Ted Cruz are pushing for open borders. Billionaire libertarian business owners have incomprehensible amounts of money and power to gain from open borders. A lot of politicians on both sides are owned by these people. The Republicans are being lied to. If you don't want the globalists to win you need to stop voting for the people they fund.

Your assertions about Ted Cruz are asinine.  Ted Cruz is NOT for open borders and thus, would never be "owned" or supported by open-borders globalists.  Pure idiocy on your part.  And that goes for the others on this thread dissing Cruz.  Catch a clue.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Other simps on this forum need to look at the history of the use of the executive's emergency powers before calling anyone else a simp.

 

Do two (or more) wrongs make a right?

[Bigun]

Call it an emergency - That's fine... But the money has to come through the House. Proper. And no matter how you wiggle, and no matter how you dance... That sure as hell ain't gonna happen.

I told all y'all I was more comfortable with him declaring war on Mexico. This is seriously wrong.

The U.S. Constitution, Article II Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

In case anyone has forgotten.  That means ALL of them whether he likes them or not!

[skeeter]

Do two (or more) wrongs make a right?

No, but it would give an informed historical perspective.

The power has seldom been evoked for anything approaching the seriousness of whats going on now on the southern border.

Or were you asking about the 'simp' charge?

[Dexter]

For many reasons we will ultimately be defeated by the globalists.

Your assertions about Ted Cruz are asinine.  Ted Cruz is NOT for open borders and thus, would never be "owned" or supported by open-borders globalists.  Pure idiocy on your part.  And that goes for the others on this thread dissing Cruz.  Catch a clue.

Exhibit A

But hopefully we can at least hold them off for a while.

[GtHawk]

Like Cruz, Mark Levine calls himself a Constitutional Lawyer.

Unlike Cruz,Levin explained (yesterday) how and why it is entirely Constitutional.

A point Levin made today is why didn't Cruz object when Obama invoked this measure?

Just asking, for my elucidation, I don't listen to Levine, or Rush or anyone else for that matter(just ask my wife ) when has Levine argued a case before the Supreme Court, or taught Constitutional Law at a university? From just my experience reading 'experts' differing views on the same Constitutional question I don't see why anyone is surprised there are differing views on this one. I do find it amusing how one group hates Cruz until he agrees with them and then he has seen the light, until he disagrees with them and it's back on the hate train, and that's OK................just so long as no one has the same attitude about their chosen.

Just looked up Levin and don't see any particular educational strength in Constitutional Law, maybe Cruz has the better knowledge here and hasn't outright come out against because he's waiting for Trump to give him a better reasoning?