Socialism talk will sink Democrats: How left-wing overreach could backfire big-time in 2020

[LMAO]

 I think our young friend is misinterpreting what we are saying here. Nobody is saying that it’s not tough for young people starting out in life. Nor are we saying that young people today have it easy although they do have it easier than a lot of other previous generations. Imagine coming of age during the peak of the Great Depression. Our point is unless you are born into a very rich family and grow up with privilege, starting out in life in adulthood is a struggle.  My first job as an RN did not pay health insurance so I had to buy health insurance out-of-pocket. It was also a lower paid job. After 25 years of being an RN, I’m making a good living with a job with benefits. But it took several years to get there. And the struggles my family had starting out makes me appreciate a lot more what I have today. The struggles I had as a young adult didn’t make me special or entitled. It made me appreciative

[Dexter]

I think our young friend is misinterpreting what we are saying here. Nobody is saying that it’s not tough for young people starting out in life. Nor are we saying that young people today have it easy although they do have it easier than a lot of other previous generations. Imagine coming of age during the peak of the Great Depression. Our point is unless you are born into a very rich family and grow up with privilege, starting out in life in adulthood is a struggle.  My first job as an RN did not pay health insurance so I had to buy health insurance out-of-pocket. It was also a lower paid job. After 25 years of being an RN, I’m making a good living with a job with benefits. But it took several years to get there. And the struggles my family had starting out makes me appreciate a lot more what I have today. The struggles I had as a young adult didn’t make me special or entitled. It made me appreciative

Humanity is rapidly approaching the point where humans will be obsolete for work. People that say things like "Somebody needs to fix the robots." simply do not understand the issue. The job problem is only going to get worse and worse. Sooner or later the government will have no choice but to take care of people, and I think that time is approaching faster than people realize. There more and more so won't be enough good paying work to go around, and the government realizes to maintain order there will have to be handouts to people that aren't productive enough to get what few jobs will remain. This stuff won't be stopped by conservatives. You might as well try to stop the Sun from rising. There isn't another solution to the problem that's coming. That's why ultimately the conservatives will be defeated.

[roamer_1]

Humanity is rapidly approaching the point where humans will be obsolete for work. People that say things like "Somebody needs to fix the robots." simply do not understand the issue. The job problem is only going to get worse and worse. Sooner or later the government will have no choice but to take care of people, and I think that time is approaching faster than people realize. There more and more so won't be enough good paying work to go around, and the government realizes to maintain order there will have to be handouts to people that aren't productive enough to get what few jobs will remain. This stuff won't be stopped by conservatives. You might as well try to stop the Sun from rising. There isn't another solution to the problem that's coming. That's why ultimately the conservatives will be defeated.

The government NEVER takes care of the people. What you say is an impossibility.
What gives the government money is the people.
Therefore, when the people have no money, how then does government survive to give you someone else's money?
Your thinking is bass effing ackwards.

You cannot succeed if someone takes care of you - You will only subsist, and that barely. That is ultimately what the government will give you. Good God, why would you wish for that? I could subsist better on my own, eating the king's deer.

You speak a modern myth, that of benevolent government, with the misbegpotten notion that they can care for you without taxation. When you finally get your way, I hope you like rice and beans.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

The government NEVER takes care of the people. What you say is an impossibility.
What gives the government money is the people.
Therefore, when the people have no money, how then does government survive to give you someone else's money?
Your thinking is bass effing ackwards.

You cannot succeed if someone takes care of you - You will only subsist, and that barely. That is ultimately what the government will give you. Good God, why would you wish for that? I could subsist better on my own, eating the king's deer.

You speak a modern myth, that of benevolent government, with the misbegpotten notion that they can care for you without taxation. When you finally get your way, I hope you like rice and beans.

Why?  Those that expect to be coddled by Uncle Sugar won't have any rice and beans.

Benevolent government.  (I had to cut and paste that, because I couldn't get my fingers to actually type those words).

[Dexter]

why would you wish for that?

I don't, but there isn't another way in the end. The more automation replaces human labor the more it will be not just possible but necessary for people to be able to survive in society without working. Humanity will eventually be taken care of by machines it built. I think we're experiencing a transition.

[roamer_1]

Why?  Those that expect to be coddled by Uncle Sugar won't have any rice and beans.

Benevolent government.  (I had to cut and paste that, because I couldn't get my fingers to actually type those words).

Because sooner or later, you run out of other people's money.

Thank you and hat tip, Maggie Thatcher.

[Cyber Liberty]

Humanity is rapidly approaching the point where humans will be obsolete for work. People that say things like "Somebody needs to fix the robots." simply do not understand the issue. The job problem is only going to get worse and worse. Sooner or later the government will have no choice but to take care of people, and I think that time is approaching faster than people realize. There more and more so won't be enough good paying work to go around, and the government realizes to maintain order there will have to be handouts to people that aren't productive enough to get what few jobs will remain. This stuff won't be stopped by conservatives. You might as well try to stop the Sun from rising. There isn't another solution to the problem that's coming. That's why ultimately the conservatives will be defeated.

An interesting, although highly emotional and illogical monologue.  Your last sentence there sounds a lot like "We will bury you," no?  You most certainly sound like you consider the Members of this board to be somehow inferior to the enlightened you (who actually trusts conclusions from the Fed, then tries to cram those conclusions down your betters collective throat).  You are "we" and we are conservatives.  If you don't want to be a part of TBR, you're in for a rough ride Sonny.

You need some rest.

[roamer_1]

I don't, but there isn't another way in the end. The more automation replaces human labor the more it will be not just possible but necessary for people to be able to survive in society without working. Humanity will eventually be taken care of by machine it built. I think we're experiencing a transition.

Bloody nonsense, in the first place. Until we have reached utopia (which will never ever happen), there will be voluntary transactions reflecting work. Because that is what economy IS. I don't think you understand a bit of what you are saying.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't, but there isn't another way in the end. The more automation replaces human labor the more it will be not just possible but necessary for people to be able to survive in society without working. Humanity will eventually be taken care of by machines it built. I think we're experiencing a transition.

I "repaired the robots" (and programmed them too) for 35 years.  Made a good enough living to retire at 60.  I find your comments insulting to my profession.

[Dexter]

You most certainly sound like you consider the Members of this board to be somehow inferior

your betters

Once again you accuse me of thinking I'm better than you. I don't think that way, but apparently you do. All I did is explain what I think will happen in years to come.

[Cyber Liberty]

Bloody nonsense, in the first place. Until we have reached utopia (which will never ever happen), there will be voluntary transactions reflecting work. Because that is what economy IS. I don't think you understand a bit of what you are saying.

Not even a little.  Every time I see that pirate avatar I know I'm in for some world-class laffers.

[Dexter]

I can't wait for the next time you ironically accuse me of trolling.

[roamer_1]

Our friend misappropriates government efficiency.

When people can no longer feed the beast they have made, then people will have no value to government. Goverment follows the money.

That's when they start hooking up the boxcars. That is government efficiency.

[Cyber Liberty]

Once again you accuse me of thinking I'm better than you. I don't think that way, but apparently you do. All I did is explain what I think will happen in years to come.

And all I did is explain why you are full of it.  In fact, dozens have, to the same effect.  You may think you are pulling something over on us bright guy, but I know a Superiority Complex when I see one.

[Cyber Liberty]

Our friend misappropriates government efficiency.

When people can no longer feed the beast they have made, then people will have no value to government. Goverment follows the money.

That's when they start hooking up the boxcars. That is government efficiency.

He thinks government can be benign.  I'm full stop with it right there.  You and I (and almost the rest of the forum) know better.

[Cyber Liberty]

I can't wait for the next time you ironically accuse me of trolling.

Feel free to jump on me, if it ever happens.  What you said about the benevolent government and robots taking care of us was the dumbest thing I read all day.  And you had to top yourself, after the data-free demand we trust the Federal Reserve Board to earn that.

[roamer_1]

He thinks government can be benign.  I'm full stop with it right there.  You and I (and almost the rest of the forum) know better.

It is just so friggin silly.
If the robots take over work.
And no one has any money.
who will buy the robots, or the things the robots work is producing?

[Dexter]

It is just so friggin silly.
If the robots take over work.
And no one has any money.
who will buy the robots, or the things the robots work is producing?

I also believe humans in the distant future will find a way to transcend currency, the root of all evil.

[roamer_1]

I also believe humans in the distant future will find a way to transcend currency, the root of all evil.

Never going to happen. You have been watching way too much Star Trek.

[Dexter]

It is just so friggin silly.
If the robots take over work.
And no one has any money.
who will buy the robots, or the things the robots work is producing?

And it's not if the robots take over work, it's when they do. What other options are there? Production needs will be met by intelligent technology. What happens after that seems obvious and inevitable.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Bloody nonsense, in the first place. Until we have reached utopia (which will never ever happen), there will be voluntary transactions reflecting work. Because that is what economy IS. I don't think you understand a bit of what you are saying.

I think one day automation will progress to the point where basic needs (not wants, though that will come too for many) can be supplied by machines that are serviced by machines that are serviced by other machines.  Some people will always want more than just the basics, and they will work, innovate, etc, to get there.  Some won't.  As much as I hate to say it, I think a universal basic income is inevitable (did I mention I hate to say it?).

What I don't see is some sort of destruction of human society because "no one" can "find" a job.  Sure, I might have to spend all day fishing and posting online videos to make a few extra bucks, but I can live with that if I really have to.

[Dexter]

Never going to happen.

I think you underestimate humanity.

[DCPatriot]

I "repaired the robots" (and programmed them too) for 35 years.  Made a good enough living to retire at 60.  I find your comments insulting to my profession.

I believe Dex's point here is that not everybody will be able to "repair the robots".  If they did, you wouldn't make a living where you would retire at 60.

Supply and demand.

BTW....don't forget that can of Lysol and a paper towel before you touch that fecal-filled touch-screen to place your order.   

[Dexter]

As much as I hate to say it, I think a universal basic income is inevitable (did I mention I hate to say it?).

Thank you. It's not about loving it or hating it. It's the obvious outcome if you give it enough thought.

What I don't see is some sort of destruction of human society because "no one" can "find" a job.  Sure, I might have to spend all day fishing and posting online videos to make a few extra bucks, but I can live with that if I really have to.

We'll figure it out. We always do. Humanity is pretty amazing.

[Cyber Liberty]

I also believe humans in the distant future will find a way to transcend currency, the root of all evil.

Currency is not the root of all evil.  The lust for currency is the root of a lot of it, usually powered by envy.