What Christian Leaders Can Learn From Donald Trump

[Emjay]

   Just a little thing called 'Forum Harmony', which I place much more importance on than anything DJT does/says or tweets.

If 'forum harmony' means I have to swallow false dictums, then I guess I am out of harmony.  Let's cut this off while we are still speaking.

[corbe]

   Understood.

[Hoodat]

I will reply to you one more time @Hoodat because of your deep misunderstanding about Social Security.  It was started by Roosevelt to help retirees who were left with little or not income. 

Social Security tax is taken from everyone's income along with income tax.

So far, so good.

Had that sum been properly invested  .  .  .

Whoa, stop the tape!  You are now talking about something that is NOT Social Security.

The people in Galveston, Texas somehow opted out of SS and did their own retirement plan, properly invested and got a very nice return.

The primary difference between Social Security and the Galveston system is that one is a ponzi scheme while the other is not.

Originally, the SS fund was never to be touched.

Absolutely positively not true.  From Day One, social security taxes went into the general fund.  It is a ponzi scheme.

Guess what, it was touched and grabbed by the government.

By design.  (See: Ponzi scheme)

You know very little about it.

I beg to differ.  The very fact that you believe people pay into it speaks volumes about your ignorance.

And saying that I have blasted your superficial opinion that SS should be for retirees only is nothing but a lie.

Shall I go back and dig up the posts?  I gave you chance after chance after chance to change your position, yet you refused over and over again, accusing me of heinous heartlessness for even suggesting that anyone's benefits be cut.  Seriously.  You made up you mind in the beginning, and kept it closed throughout the discussion, finally running away from it with your usual announcement that the discussion is somehow over.  I must admit that it blew me away to hear a retiree defending the right of people in their thirties and forties to collect social security benefits simply because they remained unemployed for 125 consecutive weeks.

[Hoodat]

I believe with that post you have exceeded your day's brainpower.

Keep in mind, I am not the one here defending Kelo.  Even Bernie Sanders is to the right of Trump when it comes to Kelo, yet you still defend him.  Yet you want to toss out some BS about helping Conservatism?  lol

[QueenCatofAragon]

I suspected it all along.

@Sanguine

So I wasn’t as convincing as I thought.   

[QueenCatofAragon]

Did you ever visit that pie place in Amherst Co?

@Hoodat

No!  It’s Woodruff’s, right?  I checked their site—they serve beans and cornbread for lunch.  I’m going, and I’m having lemon chess pie for dessert.  I haven’t had that since I was a kid.

[Hoodat]

You will not be disappointed.

[LegalAmerican]

Fica tax, 7.5% is taken out of every paycheck, then MATCHED by employer for people's retirement HELP.

If self employed, and receiving a 1099 income statement. After working on schedule C, any profit is put on schedule SE and both sides, 15.3% is charged for SOCIAL SECURITY.

SOCIAL SECURITY is income for government.

 Clinton Administration, took our SS and made it part of the general fund, leaving seniors an I.O.U. , which now, some in Government (NOT TRUMP) do not want to honor. When some republicans wanted to take SS out of government hands, the DEMON-RATS told the people, republicans wanted to do sway with the program.  BACKWARDS.

Backwards information, like most on here, post.

[txradioguy]

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[txradioguy]

Fica tax, 7.5% is taken out of every paycheck, then MATCHED by employer for people's retirement HELP.

If self employed, and receiving a 1099 income statement. After working on schedule C, any profit is put on schedule SE and both sides, 15.3% is charged for SOCIAL SECURITY.

SOCIAL SECURITY is income for government.

 Clinton Administration, took our SS and made it part of the general fund, leaving seniors an I.O.U. , which now, some in Government (NOT TRUMP) do not want to honor. When some republicans wanted to take SS out of government hands, the DEMON-RATS told the people, republicans wanted to do sway with the program.  BACKWARDS.

Backwards information, like most on here, post.

Speaking of "backwards"...why don't you tell us something about social security we don't already know?

[roamer_1]

Right now, he and the other NTers are trying to accomplish one thing and that is undermining Trump.

In fact, what they are doing is aiding and abetting Nancy Pelosi, Chuck, the fringe element of the democrat party (which is making inroads into becoming the mainstream) and the remaining mainstream which ain't all that great.

Apparently, they cannot see that.

No, rather: A pox on ALL your houses! Tumpy the Clown's administration and the Republican Party ain't all that great either. If someone offers you a choice between a sh*t burger and a puke sandwich, the only logical thing is to deny both, go down the block, and find a good diner... One that has real sweet tea, btw.

[LegalAmerican]

@Hoodat.  Sorry, half of your post is incorrect. Yes people pay into SOCIAL SECURITY. Their office tracks your yearly gross earnings and FICA amounts, on your SS NUMBER and name.  Yes, government in the Clinton years, did remove the PAID IN SS, and made it part of the GENERAL FUND.  A matter of allocating the funds.

[txradioguy]

Agree with the OP by Michael Brown, Trump's a bit rough around the edges but straight-forward, a great Christian leader who we must support.

What has he done that remotely makes him a "great Christian leader"?

[txradioguy]

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[txradioguy]

@Hoodat.  Sorry, half of your post is incorrect. Yes people pay into SOCIAL SECURITY. Their office tracks your yearly gross earnings and FICA amounts, on your SS NUMBER and name.  Yes, government in the Clinton years, did remove the PAID IN SS, and made it part of the GENERAL FUND.  A matter of allocating the funds.

Why do you act like this is new information?

[Hoodat]

Yes, government in the Clinton years, did remove the PAID IN SS, and made it part of the GENERAL FUND.  A matter of allocating the funds.

They also did it in the GHWBush years, the Reagan years, Carter years, Ford years, Nixon years, Johnson years, Kennedy years, Eisenhower years, Truman years, Roosevelt Years, GWBush years, Obama years, and are now being done in the Trump years.  Since its inception, every single dime paid into Social Security ends up in the General fund and is spent immediately.  Only a complete idiot would believe that a government running a massive annual deficit would not use that money immediately to help alleviate that deficit.

[QueenCatofAragon]

You will not be disappointed.

@Hoodat

I’ll report back.

[Hoodat]

Fica tax, 7.5% is taken out of every paycheck, then MATCHED by employer for people's retirement HELP.

Uh, no.   FICA tax is a 15.0% tax taken out of every paycheck.  You are paying every dime of it, not your employer.  It is part of your salary.

In other words, an employer pays you $10,750 to employ you, except they tell you you're only making $10,000.  They then send $1,500 of YOUR money to the US Treasury which it immediately spends.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

2 Important Quotes?

1: War is the extension of politics by other means.
Von Clauswicz

2: All warfare is based upon deception.
Sun Tzu