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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2019, 09:37:47 am »
An insurance program is a voluntary, free market program that you freely choose to purchase and can opt for competing options.

Social Security is a government mandated entitlement program financed through confiscated funds (aka taxes, aka theft) that you are forced to participate in and you can't opt out of.

It has people manipulated to think it is not an entitlement by telling you that you paid into it (like you had a choice) but the same argument can be made for all entitlement programs as they all are supported by your tax dollars. Welfare... That's not an entitlement program, I paid into it through tax dollars. (Snark).... The only difference is they slap it as it's own line item.

Oh, and the best part, its liabilities are greater than its investment so it is paying out current returns through the investment(sic) of current contributes. That is the dictionary definition of a pyramid scheme.

But you better not touch my my Social Security....amiright?

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2019, 09:43:54 am »
Yep. Kick the illegals out and give a third of what we spend on benefits for them to the people who paid into Social Security. Build the wall, and everyone comes out ahead (except the social workers).

The rats have a very simplistic solution too.  Just dissolve the military.

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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2019, 09:54:24 am »
That is a socialist speaking.

Keep working is the best way to retain security.

No one should retire if still able-bodied and afraid the piggy bank will run dry before they die.

I am not responsible for your decisions in life.  You need to deal with that, not come to me to steal my own hard-earned money.

An excellent mechanism exists to prolong any viability of SS by stopping the senseless slaughter of the unborn, 61 million and counting, and let them mature to be value-adding contributors in our society and into SS.

As a double-dip bonus, those will be the ones you continue to talk about that are needed as workers in this country, so lessened need for foreigners working here.
Yep. The slaughter of innocents will haunt this country, and the absence of people filling in the Ponzi scheme is already being felt. Quit killing our own and send all those 'poor waifs' at the Border home to fix their own country some day.

In the end, the currency will be inflated, the loss in buying power to that far beyond any increases in Social Security.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2019, 09:58:36 am »
Problem: Some people won't save for retirement. 

Solution: Take money from everyone.  "Invest" that money in gov't debt so it can be spent on pork.

It's a brilliant solution, as long as it's not your money.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2019, 10:04:25 am »
Problem: Some people won't save for retirement. 

Solution: Take money from everyone.  "Invest" that money in gov't debt so it can be spent on pork.

It's a brilliant solution, as long as it's not your money.
When the I.O.U.s started filling the nonexistent "lockbox"....

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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2019, 01:09:27 pm »


In the end, the currency will be inflated, the loss in buying power to that far beyond any increases in Social Security.

Without reforms, that’s how Social Security will be “saved”
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2019, 01:51:55 pm »
Yep. The slaughter of innocents will haunt this country, and the absence of people filling in the Ponzi scheme is already being felt. Quit killing our own and send all those 'poor waifs' at the Border home to fix their own country some day.

In the end, the currency will be inflated, the loss in buying power to that far beyond any increases in Social Security.
It is such a ridiculously easy solution to several problems, save for a few selfish people's desires which stand in the way.

Those standing folks will not have a pleasant time when the day of reckoning occurs and they appear before the Almighty and forced to explain their actions to Him.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2019, 04:00:58 pm »
Social Security is not an entitlement program.  People receiving Social Security are for the most part receiving their own money back.  It is Congress that opened the program to foreigners not having met the requirements to receive money.

The rate of return is something like 1-2%, a palty sum by anyone's standards.

When it was launched in the mid 30s, it was modeled after the German railroad retirement program.  The age was to be 65 years of age.  At the time, the average life expectancy in the USA was 59, so most people were never expected to live that long.  It was never intended as a retirement program, but a program to help the aged when they reached an age where they could no longer work or desired to work.

Along the way, Congress has muddied the waters reducing the age to 62 and treating it like a retirement program.  It was never intended to be a retirement program.  The average life expectancy is 78 years of age.  If the program is going to survive, Congress needs to raise the age to 72, and no early program as we have now.  If they structure it such that this new reg would apply to those under 45 years of age, they have time to begin building their own retirement.  Otherwise, somewhere down the road, we end up like Greece, not being able to fund the program any longer..

The concept of individual accounts is to structure the program where it is a true retirement program, where money is put away for an individual's retirement.  ANd with individual account, the person can pick and choose where the money is invested.  Almost anywhere would be better than the current approach that yields a 1-2% return on the money.  The Democommies oppose this because they are taking the money and spending anywhere they want at present.  This is a guaranteed formula for disaster down the road.  The program needs reform, and just like Congress voted the federal workers an increase, which they do frequently, it is fitting there is an increase for those on Social Security.  However, along with that should be measures to reduce cost, i.e. the following:

1.  Raise the age to 72 for all 45 years or younger
2.  End early retirement of 62 or any age prior to the current 66 and 67 years of age for SS
3.  Add a 2% tax that in the first five years is invested in an individual's personal retirement account, with no
     access until retirement.  2nd five years this number goes to 3%, 3rd five year it goes to 4%, 4th five years
     to 5%, 5th five years to 6%, 6th five years to 7%, 7th five years to 8%.  At some point along the way, the
     conventional SS tax begins a process of reduction until it is phased out, and only the individual account
     dollars remain.  This accomplishes an important, critical outcome, where legislators no longer are stealing
     the money earmarked for peoples' retirement, each person has a genuine opportunity to build savings in
     their name for retirement after age 72, and have 401k, 401a, and the various IRAs to save for retirement
     before and after 72 as well.
4.  End paying Social Security to anyone that has not paid into it.  Now that is indeed entitlement!

Doing the above ends all the nonsense discussion of Social Security being entitlement or something else, and
reflects a process for people to be  self sufficient in retirement.  Presently, people are left to their own devices to take whatever actions necessary to plan for retirement.  Having been a broker in investments, insurance and financial planning, only 5% of our population retiring have the money to retire and live the life they desire.  5%!!!!!!!!   And Social Security does not provide adequate funds to retire and live a comfortable life.  It provides enough funds not to starve to death.  There are many Americans living off of $600 and change each month, leaving them in a marginal existence. 

It is time to bring our people to a higher standard of living with more control in their lives to save money needed for a proper retirement.  The present program of people putting money into a system that the Congress steals each and every dime to spend however they see fit is criminal.  CRIMINAL!  And sitting doing nothing to rectify the problem is unacceptable.  Instead of talking about taking away something from the American people, do the above to ensure a brighter future for those that come with the generations that follow.

And end the focus of having the monkey on the back of the wage earner.  Reduce the income tax to a flat rate, and impose a fair tax on all things purchased.  We are a consumer nation and the only nation in the west that does not use the fair tax.  I know too many people that pay zero taxes making a six figure income.  Corporations too.  My wife has a friend that cuts hair and is a prostitute.  She makes as much money in cash as my wife does working for the federal government, does not pay taxes, is on Obamacare with a $10 copay per month, and has the newest of everything, car, clothes, electronic toys, etc...and again PAYS NO TAXES.  This is wrong and has gone on long enough.  Let the prostitutes, pimps, drug dealers and all the other criminals contribute to society with a fair tax. 

On Pookie there was a pic this week of someone holding an $800 cell phone, and the tag with it was 'Only in America can a person calculate how much they have in food stamps on an $800 phone and complain about being oppressed'. 

We are a nation out of balance.  The middle class is being destroyed by a do nothing Congress who has failed the people miserably.  We must correct many of the wrongs that exist and bring balance back to America, and restore the American work ethic which just does not appear to exist with younger people who want everything for free.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2019, 04:11:25 pm »
It is such a ridiculously easy solution to several problems, save for a few selfish people's desires which stand in the way.

It's easy for you to judge the circumstances under which a woman may feel compelled to abort as "selfish".   You'll never be placed in that position.

But the point isn't the morality of abortion.  It is your insistence on enlisting the State to enforce your particular morality on others.   

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« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2019, 05:19:39 pm »
It's easy for you to judge the circumstances under which a woman may feel compelled to abort as "selfish".   You'll never be placed in that position.

But the point isn't the morality of abortion.  It is your insistence on enlisting the State to enforce your particular morality on others.   

But the point isn't the morality of murder. It is your insistence on enlisting the State to enforce your particular morality on others. Yet everyone capable of reading this would not have it any other way, unless they were to kill the person trying to kill them.

Sorry, but your argument just doesn't pass muster. Abortion IS murder, and  the murder of the most innocent among us.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2019, 08:06:56 pm »
But the point isn't the morality of murder. It is your insistence on enlisting the State to enforce your particular morality on others. Yet everyone capable of reading this would not have it any other way, unless they were to kill the person trying to kill them.

Sorry, but your argument just doesn't pass muster. Abortion IS murder, and  the murder of the most innocent among us.

I can accept the abortion of a viable fetus as "murder".   But not when the fetus cannot survive on its own.   It's part of the mother, with no independent means of existence.   Religion may inform the matter for those so inclined,  but that's a matter of individual morality.     As a matter of the civil law and one's rights as an individual under the Constitution, a woman has the fundamental right choose what to do with her body without interference by the State.   
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2019, 11:23:16 pm »
I can accept the abortion of a viable fetus as "murder".   But not when the fetus cannot survive on its own.   It's part of the mother, with no independent means of existence.   Religion may inform the matter for those so inclined,  but that's a matter of individual morality.     As a matter of the civil law and one's rights as an individual under the Constitution, a woman has the fundamental right choose what to do with her body without interference by the State.
You miss my point. How dare people demand that the power of the State be used to prevent (pick one or more) (Murder, robbery, assault, rape, lewd and lascivious behaviour, jaywalking, double parking, littering, child pornography, prostitution, drug abuse, DUI, arson, mother-rapers, father-stabbers, pickpockets, dipping pigtails in inkwells, lying to Congress, making a turn without signalling, cannibalism, shoplifting, etc.)?

Each of these rules, these laws, has some moral imperative.

That each of these are crimes is an imposition of morality using the power of the state on the choice of some individual who wants to commit them, a moral imposition.

Back to the concept that if someone murders a pregnant woman they are guilty of taking not just one but two lives.
How can the murderer be charged with two murders, but the abortionist, who takes only one of those lives,  is only charged with the light bill and rent?
 
You ignore the fundamental Right to life itself, without which all other Rights are moot. The Right to not be deprived of life, Liberty, or property without due process of law. The presumption of innocence.

We rail about the Holocaust, and 60 million babies have been slaughtered since Roe.

Think about that.

TEN times the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis have been shredded in, poisoned in, chemically burned to death, or pulled out and had their brains sucked out of their skulls while still alive. and their heads were still in their mothers. Imagine how that would feel. To have someone cut the base of your skull open and suck your brains out. It's the stuff of horror shows.

Right here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, knee deep in the blood of innocents. Innocents accused of no crime, against whom no evidence has been brought of wrongdoing, and yet treated in ways that would cause public outcry if we were to employ those methods to remove even the most heinous criminals from our society.

How long before the toddlers, the elderly, those halt and infirm are fair game?

It has happened before, inspired by the same eugenicists.
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As children we recoiled in horror at the tales of Aztec Priests, perched on pyramid temples, cutting hearts out of victims all day long, in sacrifices to their gods.

Now, within the structural equivalent of the 'plain brown wrapper', babies are slaughtered in far greater numbers, slaughtered not to some appease some supernatural deity, or to make the rain come, the crops grow, or to stop the volcano from erupting, but on the altar of convenience, and we don't hear anything but those who lamely try to justify those rivers of blood.

Two of my great-grandchildren were born early. One weighed 1 lb, 10 oz when born. She's a beautiful 2nd grader now. Another weighed 3 lbs, 8oz. She, too is a beautiful child. New York's law allows for killing children older and more viable than those girls were at birth. We are teetering on the brink of killing anyone 'inconvenient', and your not seeing that is only willful blindness.

No species which murders its young has long to survive.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2019, 11:26:48 pm »
Social Security is not an entitlement program.  People receiving Social Security are for the most part receiving their own money back.  It is Congress that opened the program to foreigners not having met the requirements to receive money.

The rate of return is something like 1-2%, a palty sum by anyone's standards.

When it was launched in the mid 30s, it was modeled after the German railroad retirement program.  The age was to be 65 years of age.  At the time, the average life expectancy in the USA was 59, so most people were never expected to live that long.  It was never intended as a retirement program, but a program to help the aged when they reached an age where they could no longer work or desired to work.

Along the way, Congress has muddied the waters reducing the age to 62 and treating it like a retirement program.  It was never intended to be a retirement program.  The average life expectancy is 78 years of age.  If the program is going to survive, Congress needs to raise the age to 72, and no early program as we have now.  If they structure it such that this new reg would apply to those under 45 years of age, they have time to begin building their own retirement.  Otherwise, somewhere down the road, we end up like Greece, not being able to fund the program any longer..

The concept of individual accounts is to structure the program where it is a true retirement program, where money is put away for an individual's retirement.  ANd with individual account, the person can pick and choose where the money is invested.  Almost anywhere would be better than the current approach that yields a 1-2% return on the money.  The Democommies oppose this because they are taking the money and spending anywhere they want at present.  This is a guaranteed formula for disaster down the road.  The program needs reform, and just like Congress voted the federal workers an increase, which they do frequently, it is fitting there is an increase for those on Social Security.  However, along with that should be measures to reduce cost, i.e. the following:

1.  Raise the age to 72 for all 45 years or younger
2.  End early retirement of 62 or any age prior to the current 66 and 67 years of age for SS
3.  Add a 2% tax that in the first five years is invested in an individual's personal retirement account, with no
     access until retirement.  2nd five years this number goes to 3%, 3rd five year it goes to 4%, 4th five years
     to 5%, 5th five years to 6%, 6th five years to 7%, 7th five years to 8%.  At some point along the way, the
     conventional SS tax begins a process of reduction until it is phased out, and only the individual account
     dollars remain.  This accomplishes an important, critical outcome, where legislators no longer are stealing
     the money earmarked for peoples' retirement, each person has a genuine opportunity to build savings in
     their name for retirement after age 72, and have 401k, 401a, and the various IRAs to save for retirement
     before and after 72 as well.
4.  End paying Social Security to anyone that has not paid into it.  Now that is indeed entitlement!

Doing the above ends all the nonsense discussion of Social Security being entitlement or something else, and
reflects a process for people to be  self sufficient in retirement.  Presently, people are left to their own devices to take whatever actions necessary to plan for retirement.  Having been a broker in investments, insurance and financial planning, only 5% of our population retiring have the money to retire and live the life they desire.  5%!!!!!!!!   And Social Security does not provide adequate funds to retire and live a comfortable life.  It provides enough funds not to starve to death.  There are many Americans living off of $600 and change each month, leaving them in a marginal existence. 

It is time to bring our people to a higher standard of living with more control in their lives to save money needed for a proper retirement.  The present program of people putting money into a system that the Congress steals each and every dime to spend however they see fit is criminal.  CRIMINAL!  And sitting doing nothing to rectify the problem is unacceptable.  Instead of talking about taking away something from the American people, do the above to ensure a brighter future for those that come with the generations that follow.

And end the focus of having the monkey on the back of the wage earner.  Reduce the income tax to a flat rate, and impose a fair tax on all things purchased.  We are a consumer nation and the only nation in the west that does not use the fair tax.  I know too many people that pay zero taxes making a six figure income.  Corporations too.  My wife has a friend that cuts hair and is a prostitute.  She makes as much money in cash as my wife does working for the federal government, does not pay taxes, is on Obamacare with a $10 copay per month, and has the newest of everything, car, clothes, electronic toys, etc...and again PAYS NO TAXES.  This is wrong and has gone on long enough.  Let the prostitutes, pimps, drug dealers and all the other criminals contribute to society with a fair tax. 

On Pookie there was a pic this week of someone holding an $800 cell phone, and the tag with it was 'Only in America can a person calculate how much they have in food stamps on an $800 phone and complain about being oppressed'. 

We are a nation out of balance.  The middle class is being destroyed by a do nothing Congress who has failed the people miserably.  We must correct many of the wrongs that exist and bring balance back to America, and restore the American work ethic which just does not appear to exist with younger people who want everything for free.

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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2019, 11:35:43 pm »
There is only one way to "fix" social security and that is to end it!  Phase it out and pour salt on the ground so it can never come back.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2019, 12:05:40 am »
Gigun...that is so not true.  There is never one way to solve most problems.  And with the political process you are talking about, we must wait for a Greece like collapse, which will happen soon enough.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2019, 01:48:28 am »
You miss my point. How dare people demand that the power of the State be used to prevent (pick one or more) (Murder, robbery, assault, rape, lewd and lascivious behaviour, jaywalking, double parking, littering, child pornography, prostitution, drug abuse, DUI, arson, mother-rapers, father-stabbers, pickpockets, dipping pigtails in inkwells, lying to Congress, making a turn without signalling, cannibalism, shoplifting, etc.)?

Each of these rules, these laws, has some moral imperative.

That each of these are crimes is an imposition of morality using the power of the state on the choice of some individual who wants to commit them, a moral imposition.

Back to the concept that if someone murders a pregnant woman they are guilty of taking not just one but two lives.
How can the murderer be charged with two murders, but the abortionist, who takes only one of those lives,  is only charged with the light bill and rent?
 
You ignore the fundamental Right to life itself, without which all other Rights are moot. The Right to not be deprived of life, Liberty, or property without due process of law. The presumption of innocence.

We rail about the Holocaust, and 60 million babies have been slaughtered since Roe.

Think about that.

TEN times the number of Jews murdered by the Nazis have been shredded in, poisoned in, chemically burned to death, or pulled out and had their brains sucked out of their skulls while still alive. and their heads were still in their mothers. Imagine how that would feel. To have someone cut the base of your skull open and suck your brains out. It's the stuff of horror shows.

Right here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, knee deep in the blood of innocents. Innocents accused of no crime, against whom no evidence has been brought of wrongdoing, and yet treated in ways that would cause public outcry if we were to employ those methods to remove even the most heinous criminals from our society.

How long before the toddlers, the elderly, those halt and infirm are fair game?

It has happened before, inspired by the same eugenicists.
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As children we recoiled in horror at the tales of Aztec Priests, perched on pyramid temples, cutting hearts out of victims all day long, in sacrifices to their gods.

Now, within the structural equivalent of the 'plain brown wrapper', babies are slaughtered in far greater numbers, slaughtered not to some appease some supernatural deity, or to make the rain come, the crops grow, or to stop the volcano from erupting, but on the altar of convenience, and we don't hear anything but those who lamely try to justify those rivers of blood.

Two of my great-grandchildren were born early. One weighed 1 lb, 10 oz when born. She's a beautiful 2nd grader now. Another weighed 3 lbs, 8oz. She, too is a beautiful child. New York's law allows for killing children older and more viable than those girls were at birth. We are teetering on the brink of killing anyone 'inconvenient', and your not seeing that is only willful blindness.

No species which murders its young has long to survive.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2019, 05:09:23 am »
@Smokin Joe - cannot be said better.

Am glad you were not picking casing points.
Nah, we're done with casing points. We're just fishing out part of the last bit.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2019, 05:13:01 am »
Nah, we're done with casing points. We're just fishing out part of the last bit.
That can be a time-consuming process.

Look forward to some more comments until they either recover or sidetrack,  hopefully the former.
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Re: House Dems offer bill to expand Social Security
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2019, 05:14:30 am »
That can be a time-consuming process.

Look forward to some more comments until they either recover or sidetrack,  hopefully the former.
Thanks, on both!
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis