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Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« on: January 30, 2019, 03:13:25 pm »
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 A 61-year-old man is dead after he was shot by an officer trying to enforce Maryland’s new ‘red flag’ law in Ferndale Monday morning.....

According to police, two officers serving a new Extreme Risk Protective Order (Red Flag Law), a Maryland protective order to remove guns from a household, shot and killed the man listed on that order......

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/11/05/fatal-officer-involved-shooting-in-anne-arundel-county/

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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2019, 03:21:02 pm »
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 03:53:16 pm »
Quote from: thackney on January 30, 2019, 03:21:02 pm
The British are coming, the British are coming...

This time they are smart enough to label gun owners "crazy" and pick them off one at a time.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 03:59:27 pm »
"Officials said Willis answered the door while holding a handgun.

Willis then placed the gun next to the door.

When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.

One of the officers tried to take the gun from Willis, but instead Willis fired the gun.

The second officer fired a gun, striking Willis. He died at the scene."

I guess we'll just have to take their word for how this went down.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2019, 04:01:28 pm »
Quote from: austingirl on January 30, 2019, 03:59:27 pm
"Officials said Willis answered the door while holding a handgun.

Willis then placed the gun next to the door.

When officers began to serve him the order, Willis became irate and grabbed his gun.

One of the officers tried to take the gun from Willis, but instead Willis fired the gun.

The second officer fired a gun, striking Willis. He died at the scene."

I guess we'll just have to take their word for how this went down.

Supposedly his sister ratted him out. I wonder if she's pleased with how it all worked out.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2019, 04:05:52 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on January 30, 2019, 04:01:28 pm
Supposedly his sister ratted him out. I wonder if she's pleased with how it all worked out.

If she's a hardcore anti-gun nut, she may be.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 04:24:19 pm »
This happened a while ago.

Sister got pi$$ed at him over something stupid and falsely reported him as a danger...cops showed up at ~5 in the morning, so the guy had cause to be suspicious when answering the door.

And now we reportedly have Rubio looking to introduce a similar nationwide...

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/29439-rubio-leads-gun-grabbers

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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2019, 04:31:21 pm »
Take the guns first, due process later. - Hillary Clinton
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2019, 04:32:03 pm »
Quote from: SZonian on January 30, 2019, 04:24:19 pm
This happened a while ago.

Sister got pi$$ed at him over something stupid and falsely reported him as a danger...cops showed up at ~5 in the morning, so the guy had cause to be suspicious when answering the door.

And now we reportedly have Rubio looking to introduce a similar nationwide...

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/29439-rubio-leads-gun-grabbers

And therein lies the inherent problem with these feel good "Red Flag" laws...no due process no chance to face your accuser...and anyone who doesn't like you or like guns can get yours confiscated from you.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 04:55:59 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 30, 2019, 04:32:03 pm
And therein lies the inherent problem with these feel good "Red Flag" laws...no due process no chance to face your accuser...and anyone who doesn't like you or like guns can get yours confiscated from you.

The next step for the Red Flag gang is to declare gun ownership as Prima Facia evidence of insanity.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2019, 05:04:46 pm »
Quote from: SZonian on January 30, 2019, 04:24:19 pm
This happened a while ago.

Sister got pi$$ed at him over something stupid and falsely reported him as a danger...cops showed up at ~5 in the morning, so the guy had cause to be suspicious when answering the door.

And now we reportedly have Rubio looking to introduce a similar nationwide...

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/29439-rubio-leads-gun-grabbers

She basically SWATted him.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2019, 05:13:11 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 30, 2019, 04:55:59 pm
The next step for the Red Flag gang is to declare gun ownership as Prima Facia evidence of insanity.

Yup gun ownership will be defined...by the left of course...as a form of mental illness.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2019, 05:22:48 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 30, 2019, 05:13:11 pm
Yup gun ownership will be defined...by the left of course...as a form of mental illness.

And Hoplophobia will be defined as the highest order of intelligence.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2019, 05:29:16 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 30, 2019, 05:22:48 pm
And Hoplophobia will be defined as the highest order of intelligence.

Yup...LTC Cooper had that one nailed a long time ago.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2019, 05:30:58 pm »
The sister may have had legitimate concern about this guy.
He answered the door holding a weapon, which would indicate that he keeps it with him even in the home.
He decided to fire on Police. This is certainly not normal behavior.
Instead of this, we just as well could be reading about another family slaughter.
I wouldn't want this guy in my house carrying a pistol everywhere he goes.
If he would shoot Police, he would certainly shoot me.

But yes. This is a template for armed gun confiscation, which is an ominous harbinger.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2019, 05:42:51 pm »
Ran out of current articles to post?

This article came out November 5, 2018 at 11:00 pm
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2019, 05:43:39 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 30, 2019, 05:30:58 pm
The sister may have had legitimate concern about this guy.
He answered the door holding a weapon, which would indicate that he keeps it with him even in the home.
He decided to fire on Police. This is certainly not normal behavior.
Instead of this, we just as well could be reading about another family slaughter.
I wouldn't want this guy in my house carrying a pistol everywhere he goes.
If he would shoot Police, he would certainly shoot me.

But yes. This is a template for armed gun confiscation, which is an ominous harbinger.

I guess that makes me "shootable." 333cleo
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2019, 05:45:57 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 30, 2019, 05:43:39 pm
I guess that makes me "shootable." 333cleo
Answering the door is not what got him shot. Shooting at Police is what got him shot.
To answer your question, Yes. If you start firing on Cops, you are in fact shootable.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2019, 05:51:17 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 30, 2019, 05:45:57 pm
Answering the door is not what got him shot. Shooting at Police is what got him shot.
To answer your question, Yes. If you start firing on Cops, you are in fact shootable.

The part I highlighted suggested the act of answering the door armed makes one "shootable."  Now that I know you think I'm in that category I need to reassess your general stand on things.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2019, 05:59:16 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 30, 2019, 05:51:17 pm
The part I highlighted suggested the act of answering the door armed makes one "shootable."  Now that I know you think I'm in that category I need to reassess your general stand on things.
You either do not read what I write, or you are being an idiot this morning. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anything like that.

I don't have to answer the door armed. I know who's out there before I open the door. And if I saw a gaggle of Cops at my door, the very last thing I would do is grab my gun. I'm not freaking John Dillinger.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2019, 06:01:01 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 30, 2019, 05:59:16 pm
You either do not read what I write, or you are being an idiot this morning. Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said anything like that.

I don't have to answer the door armed. I know who's out there before I open the door. And if I saw a gaggle of Cops at my door, the very last thing I would do is grab my gun. I'm not freaking John Dillinger.

Just funnin' with you....
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2019, 06:06:01 pm »
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According to the spokesman, Willis put his firearm down to read the ERPO but then, apparently recognizing that it wasn’t a legal search warrant issued by a judge in accordance with protections guaranteed to him by the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but instead was issued by a local judge under Maryland’s newly minted “red flag” law, he retrieved his firearm.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2019, 08:14:58 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on January 30, 2019, 04:01:28 pm
Supposedly his sister ratted him out. I wonder if she's pleased with how it all worked out.
If my lefty sister-in-law knew how many guns we had (and it's not very many at all), she'd happily rat us out - consequences be damned.
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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2019, 10:36:08 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on January 30, 2019, 04:01:28 pm
Supposedly his sister ratted him out. I wonder if she's pleased with how it all worked out.

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Re: Maryland’s ‘Red Flag’ Law Turns Deadly: Officer Kills Man Who Refused To Turn In Gun
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2019, 10:39:48 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 30, 2019, 05:30:58 pm

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The sister may have had legitimate concern about this guy.
He answered the door holding a weapon, which would indicate that he keeps it with him even in the home.

???? Where do you keep YOUR guns,at the gun club?


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He decided to fire on Police. This is certainly not normal behavior.

Seems normal to me. There they are at his door at 5 AM demanding he give them his personal property that he has a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to possess.

AND.....,this is important here,so pay attention,the only one that fired a shot was the cop that killed him.
Instead of this, we just as well could be reading about another family slaughter.
I wouldn't want this guy in my house carrying a pistol everywhere he goes.
If he would shoot Police, he would certainly shoot me.

But yes. This is a template for armed gun confiscation, which is an ominous harbinger.
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