Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’

[Right_in_Virginia]

IN THREE WEEKS. THIS TIME, I REALLY MEAN IT!

Here's but one example @edpc  I posted three additional updates on the wall construction on this thread:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

Nov 28:  El Paso Tx New Border Wall


Sorry...

[Chosen Daughter]

I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.

If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.

It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him.  Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.

He wanted the job.  It's his.

Good post.  I don't defend them either.  But he needed to do the work to get them in line with what people voted for.

[austingirl]

Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A.  Responsible for Trump's failure or B.  Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??

SERIOUSLY??? 

I agree with the post in that RINOs in Congress are to blame for the failure. I was not a Trump supporter during the primaries and criticized him. I was for Cruz. I voted for Trump hoping that a disruptor would actually turn the tide back to constitutional rule. I didn't figure on the GOP hamstringing Trump. I support the President while I abhor his personal style and cringe at his disorganized rhetoric.

I'm not happy that we couldn't keep our Constitutional Republic. And I don't think the hatred and snark spewed at Trump and anyone who dares to support him is helpful.

In three weeks we'll know if he failed, but it sure doesn't look good. He is trying to negotiate with those who seek totalitarian rule and use any means necessary to achieve their aims.

[Mesaclone]

I don't know.

I just know who's charged with convincing them, and who has failed.

Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.

[edpc]

Here's but one example @edpc  I posted three additional updates on the wall construction on this thread:

Interesting. The money Pelosi won’t give him for the wall she won’t let him have has already been gotten? It’s really weird how the WH has spent so much time over the past 30+ days on a fight they’ve already won.   

[XenaLee]

Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.

True... but..... Trump is 'the President' that bragged about how he would make 'great deals'.  To hear him talk, he was going to work miracles.   Just sayin....

[Cyber Liberty]

I believe you, Cyber................... SURE I do.   

The proof is written on my bathroom scale!  Under 200 lbs, the lowest since well before the hip surgeries....

[Right_in_Virginia]

Interesting. The money Pelosi won’t give him for the wall she won’t let him have has already been gotten? It’s really weird how the WH has spent so much time over the past 30+ days on a fight they’ve already won.   

No @edpc  More money is needed to finish the walls.  BTW, "finish the wall" was a slogan that appeared during the midterm rallies.  I much prefer that one.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

True... but..... Trump is 'the President' that bragged about how he would make 'great deals'.  To hear him talk, he was going to work miracles. 

And he is @XenaLee http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

[240B]

Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve. 

You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.

Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.

[Mesaclone]

Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.

That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.

[corbe]

Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.

   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

[edpc]

No @edpc  More money is needed to finish the walls.  BTW, "finish the wall" was a slogan that appeared during the midterm rallies.  I much prefer that one.   

From what I can tell, the only thing that's been constructed is a pretty cumbersome, yet somehow mobile, goalpost.

[Cyber Liberty]

   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

I see examples of what @240B is talking about on other websites (like Bookface), but very rarely here.

[EdJames]

If you want to put a face on why the prior Congress under Ryan's leadership would never pass legislation funding a wall:

[corbe]

That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.

And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.

When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.

Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.

   Hey @Mesaclone it's your friggin party you bought it Lock, Stock and Barrel in 2015 besides I left in 2010 and as far as your 'Primary Logic' goes, your party turned off our microphones at the convention among other 'Tricks', so that doesn't wash with me either.
   Long story, short not all of what you perceive as NT'ers hate Trump or anybody for that matter.
   Gonna go HUG someone I love.

[Mesaclone]

   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

Its not that you want the country to fail, its that you are working to make the President fail...which in the current context is the same thing. And saying "I told you so" after your fellow NT/RINO's in congress have worked so tirelessly to thwart the President's efforts to get a wall built...defines the problem. And yes, it is CLEARLY a form of cheering.

But you've earned an "I told you so"...in fact, you've actively been part of preventing a wall from being built by undermining the man who is fighting to get it done. While I realize you're not a voting member of congress, you are part of the support structure for the congressional NT's like Murkowski, Collins etcetera. As such, you can be proud of your little part in helping the Left attain its goals. Good work!

[XenaLee]

And he is @XenaLee http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html

Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!   

[edpc]

Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.

[corbe]

   Like my usually silly memes and comments here effect Trump, WoW 
   You Trumpers are just, as always, looking to blame someone else for the obvious incompetent yingyang you elected. 
   My shoulders are broad but this is a burden I will not carry.

[XenaLee]

Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.

Better yet, you can't relate to your supporters who detest the ground Pelosi and her ilk walks on.... for very good reasons.

[Mesaclone]

   Hey @Mesaclone it's your friggin party you bought it Lock, Stock and Barrel in 2015 besides I left in 2010 and as far as your 'Primary Logic' goes, your party turned off our microphones at the convention among other 'Tricks', so that doesn't wash with me either.
   Long story, short not all of what you perceive as NT'ers hate Trump or anybody for that matter.
   Gonna go HUG someone I love.

Its not about party at this point. Its about Conservatism and Socialism warring for the future of the country...and however imperfect our current brand of conservatism may be, it remains the diametric opposite of the kind of soul crushing, economy destroying, freedom ending nightmare that the Democratic party is bringing our way at hyperspeed. There is no "3rd" side in THIS battle...you either oppose this Socialist monstrosity as the President and his supporters are doing, collaborate with it as you are now doing, or sit uselessly on the sideline reveling in your own moral narcissism (which is worse than taking a side). 

Your stand makes you a full on collaborator with the Pelosi-Cortz bunch...akin to a Murkowski or a Collins. You actively write and post, not with constructive criticism for Presidential policies with which you disagree, but rather you work to demean and undermine while offering no other means of resisting this Socialist Beast that the Left is launching at us.

And lets not pretend you don't hate Trump...you've gone too far and said too much for anyone here to believe such an absurd claim.

[edpc]

Wow.  Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing.   How heartless of him!   

Yeah, but they were getting back pay and could always negotiate with landlords and grocers. In other words, they could make the great deals he couldn't?

[RoosGirl]

Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html


Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.

Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.

[TomSea]

   I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years).  WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
   It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.

You don't know if it is a failure. You want every i dotted and every t crossed. For me, Trump has been successful just in getting this issue on the table. This respite is only 3 weeks and oh, boy, @corbe , then, watch out. Trump's a genius negotiator. This is all part of the process.

And again, the guy you have been plugging, has been supporting Trump. So, you have a blind spot. You are being divisive.  Still, we think the world of you.