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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2019, 01:27:08 pm »

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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2019, 01:27:37 pm »
Makes sense for him to look like he's backing down on this, and willing to "work with" the Dems, as long as he doesn't back down on the wall also.
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2019, 01:31:51 pm »
Can't figure out why Trump would cave on this considering that Pelosi isn't giving him squat.

POTUS said this is her "prerogative" --- a fascinating choice of words. 

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This was his chance to make his case before a national audience to explain the state of the union's Southern border as an open sieve placing a substantial drain on America's limited resources.

I suspect the cables and networks would have treated it as a rally and would not have carried the speech.

Now POTUS can take a victory lap at the SOTU with Her Craziness seated behind him.

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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2019, 01:38:58 pm »
It figures some of you will try to convince us this is multi dimensional chess, while Kellyanne feebly tells us the wall is not a wall and Trump does a terrible Johnnie Cochran impersonation. The top stories are ‘Trump Blinks’ and ‘Trump Folds’ on Fox News and Drudge, respectively.
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2019, 01:40:14 pm »
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2019, 01:43:25 pm »
It figures some of you will try to convince us this is multi dimensional chess, while Kellyanne feebly tells us the wall is not a wall and Trump does a terrible Johnnie Cochran impersonation. The top stories are ‘Trump Blinks’ and ‘Trump Folds’ on Fox News and Drudge, respectively.

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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2019, 01:50:34 pm »
My mistake. He did a bad impression of Jackie Chiles, who is a parody of Johnny Cochran.
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2019, 02:13:28 pm »
My mistake. He did a bad impression of Jackie Chiles, who is a parody of Johnny Cochran.

Just couldn't stand it and wait until the Friday News Dump.
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2019, 02:23:40 pm »
Maybe Trump should have the gas turned off on Capital Hill...

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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2019, 03:36:35 pm »
Ok by me.

Not me.  I want to hear it and I think many Americans do.  I want to know the truth and Trump is always talking about Fake news.  He just gave them a major opportunity to continue to push the fake news agenda on border shut down.
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2019, 03:58:07 pm »
Laura Ingraham rips Trump’s decision to postpone State of the Union
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/laura-ingraham-rips-trumps-decision-to-postpone-state-of-the-union


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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2019, 04:07:16 pm »
I am disappointed...I feel Trump caved...never give Pelosi a win....does he really think she will reciprocate.. :silly:
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2019, 04:23:57 pm »
It could be a chess move or maybe something else is going on.

Maybe drafting the speech isn’t going well – not boffo enough for showman Trump and they postponed watching for changes in events.

Or, if it seems Trump’s giving in on something, maybe he’s drawing the speaker in for something else he’s got planned? Or, maybe Trump simply has got a deal working in the background with Nancy?

A lot of possibilities with this move.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2019, 04:28:25 pm »
I am disappointed...I feel Trump caved...never give Pelosi a win....does he really think she will reciprocate.. :silly:

I look at it more like appeasing a child who's holding their breath in protest. I think most people ultimately will see it that way as well.

Not exactly 4 dimensional chess, just basic human psychology. Besides, holding a SOU address in the House every year wasn't a campaign promise. Building a wall was.

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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2019, 04:31:26 pm »
I look at it more like appeasing a child who's holding their breath in protest. I think most people ultimately will see it that way as well.

Not exactly 4 dimensional chess, just basic human psychology. Besides, holding a SOU address in the House every year wasn't a campaign promise. Building a wall was.

I felt better this morning when I thought of it in terms of Trump saying, "The Wall matters so much to me that I'm willing to give up the SOTU for it."

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2019, 04:36:29 pm »
I felt better this morning when I thought of it in terms of Trump saying, "The Wall matters so much to me that I'm willing to give up the SOTU for it."

One of the criticisms by some of Trump is he's petulant and unstatesmanlike. So why are some of these same critics crowing over his decisions to de-escalate the pissing contest with Pelosi, who's clearly willing to blow up the southern end of the Capitol in order to 'beat' Trump?
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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2019, 04:39:54 pm »
I personally don't see Trump as a person who will take things lying down.  I'm gonna wait and see who gets the last laugh here.
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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2019, 04:45:50 pm »
I felt better this morning when I thought of it in terms of Trump saying, "The Wall matters so much to me that I'm willing to give up the SOTU for it."


She’s pre-empted him on that, as well.


"I’m glad we have that off the table because it was about the least important thing we have to talk about. What we have to talk about is opening up government, to recognize the pain and unfairness of this shutdown to America’s working families. Not only the workers, that would be reason enough but also the American people who are not getting the services they deserve but also the protection that we owe them,” Pelosi said.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-month-2019/h_472d9a1c7fc29a30c15cb30af1165cb8
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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2019, 04:48:02 pm »

She’s pre-empted him on that, as well.


"I’m glad we have that off the table because it was about the least important thing we have to talk about. What we have to talk about is opening up government, to recognize the pain and unfairness of this shutdown to America’s working families. Not only the workers, that would be reason enough but also the American people who are not getting the services they deserve but also the protection that we owe them,” Pelosi said.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-month-2019/h_472d9a1c7fc29a30c15cb30af1165cb8

Who expected her to start being reasonable now?

There are reports some in her party are beginning to grumble about her intransigence on the wall. Trump conceding her authority in the House on the SOU issue will only increase pressure on her.
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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2019, 05:07:55 pm »
I am disappointed...I feel Trump caved...never give Pelosi a win....does he really think she will reciprocate.. :silly:

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Re: Trump: I will deliver State of the Union 'when the shutdown is over'
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2019, 05:19:44 pm »
I am disappointed...I feel Trump caved...never give Pelosi a win....does he really think she will reciprocate.. :silly:

But....but..... Rush just said....

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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2019, 05:19:55 pm »
I am disappointed...I feel Trump caved...never give Pelosi a win....does he really think she will reciprocate.. :silly:

Funny how so many folks are just aghast at the idea that Trump might take the high road.   

This SOTU flap is the pettiest of the petty.   Trump looks good this morning, and Pelosi looks bad - churlish and small.   

Trump has also offered to trade wall funding for a three-year extension of status for the Dreamers, as well as standing invite for weekly meetings at the White House to address immigration.    Pelosi?   She said no before the President could even announce his proposal. 

The best way to encourage cracks in the Democratic wall is to take the high road.   When he finally gets to give the SOTU - in the majestic setting of the House chamber where it belongs - he will have the time and the opportunity to lay into the Democrats on all fronts.    And it will arrive in citizens' homes without the filter of the mainstream media.   
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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2019, 05:22:05 pm »
Funny how so many folks are just aghast at the idea that Trump might take the high road.   

This SOTU flap is the pettiest of the petty.   Trump looks good this morning, and Pelosi looks bad - churlish and small.   

Trump has also offered to trade wall funding for a three-year extension of status for the Dreamers, as well as standing invite for weekly meetings at the White House to address immigration.    Pelosi?   She said no before the President could even announce his proposal. 

The best way to encourage cracks in the Democratic wall is to take the high road.   When he finally gets to give the SOTU - in the majestic setting of the House chamber where it belongs - he will have the time and the opportunity to lay into the Democrats on all fronts.    And it will arrive in citizens' homes without the filter of the mainstream media.

I agree. There are times to fight, this was not one.

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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2019, 05:28:26 pm »
I agree. There are times to fight, this was not one.

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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2019, 05:35:18 pm »

She’s pre-empted him on that, as well.


"I’m glad we have that off the table because it was about the least important thing we have to talk about. What we have to talk about is opening up government, to recognize the pain and unfairness of this shutdown to America’s working families. Not only the workers, that would be reason enough but also the American people who are not getting the services they deserve but also the protection that we owe them,” Pelosi said.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-month-2019/h_472d9a1c7fc29a30c15cb30af1165cb8
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