7 in 10 say US health care system has 'major problems' or is in a 'state of crisis'

[Smokin Joe]

I still have no idea what you are saying.  Correct, "if congress creates a bill"...who knows when or if ever with partial shut down. The way democrats and RINO"S block my presidents ideas, we don't know when that will happen.  You may not like my sentence structure.  "Right now  the laws on our books  EDIT; FOR ILLegals...were all made by democrat presidents. 
JFK, LBJ.  You do know, JFK was assassinated and LBJ took over.  I have no idea, what your complaint is. 

I think the point is that the Bills those presidents signed were a product of Congress. They wrote them, they passed them, the President just signed them.

[NavyCanDo]

Since 2016  my monthly contribution taken out of my paycheck increased by 503%

[LMAO]

Although I agree illegal immigration is an issue that has to be dealt with the idea that immigrants are to blame for all our ills is simplistic thinking. I gave an example of BadgerCare. The reason why it ran out of money was because it was overly generous. It had nothing to do with illegals

[Smokin Joe]

Although I agree illegal immigration is an issue that has to be dealt with the idea that immigrants are to blame for all our ills is simplistic thinking. I gave an example of BadgerCare. The reason why it ran out of money was because it was overly generous. It had nothing to do with illegals

You make a good point. Blaming the illegals is convenient, but they would not be taking advantage of the program if it wasn't offered. It's the people who insist on offering it to every Juan who comes along who are the ones bankrupting it.

[Jazzhead]

The systemic problem with the health care financing system is that everything depends on whether you get affordable coverage from your employer.     Our system is largely employer-based, and differences in how folks experience the system are a function of whether you have a benefits-eligible job or not.    The burden for financing health care largely falls on employers, with those unlucky enough to have employer-based coverage stuck with the dregs.   

Meanwhile, American employers' cost of labor skyrockets,  leading to decisions to outsource jobs to countries where health care is financed by means of general taxation.   THAT's the value of a system like that in Sweden -  employers are free to compete without the millstone of paying for their employees' healthcare.   

The peculiar American system arguably has certain advantages -  medical innovation can be theoretically be encouraged when employers compete to provide quality benefits to their valued employees.   But nowadays, it's a mostly a matter of trying to save costs,  and extract better value from insurers and providers, so that employers aren't faced with passing unaffordable costs on to their employees.   

It is time to build a better mousetrap.    @Dexter 

[Smokin Joe]

The systemic problem with the health care financing system is that everything depends on whether you get affordable coverage from your employer.     Our system is largely employer-based, and differences in how folks experience the system are a function of whether you have a benefits-eligible job or not.    The burden for financing health care largely falls on employers, with those unlucky enough to have employer-based coverage stuck with the dregs.   

Meanwhile, American employers' cost of labor skyrockets,  leading to decisions to outsource jobs to countries where health care is financed by means of general taxation.   THAT's the value of a system like that in Sweden -  employers are free to compete without the millstone of paying for their employees' healthcare.   

The peculiar American system arguably has certain advantages -  medical innovation can be theoretically be encouraged when employers compete to provide quality benefits to their valued employees.   But nowadays, it's a mostly a matter of trying to save costs,  and extract better value from insurers and providers, so that employers aren't faced with passing unaffordable costs on to their employees.   

It is time to build a better mousetrap.    @Dexter

Odd you should pick a device to improve whose purpose is to kill the mouse. Interesting parallel.

The reason employers cut people or did not expand is that the ACA passed. That significantly raised the cost of health insurance for anyone who isn't on the teat.

[Bigun]

Although I agree illegal immigration is an issue that has to be dealt with the idea that immigrants are to blame for all our ills is simplistic thinking. I gave an example of BadgerCare. The reason why it ran out of money was because it was overly generous. It had nothing to do with illegals

You could not be any more correct and I personally lay the blame on those who have managed to essentially remove ALL the free market forces out of the healthcare picture leaving most people with absolutely zero incentive to shop for lower cost options.  Competitive FREE markets work and work well. Maybe we should try that again!

[Dexter]

Dexter might be right about Americans dying, as ILLEGALS, use up all of medicaid!    No poor American, can use medicaid.

Each state has a fund for medicaid usage ..they run out of funds

Thank you. A lot of poor Americans still don't qualify for medicaid. There are millions of Americans that don't get regular doctor checkups at all. That's a serious lack of preventative care that leads to a lot of avoidable emergencies. I bet there's also a lot of people in the middle class that would get better care if their lack of being rich didn't limit their healthcare options so much.

[Jazzhead]

You could not be any more correct and I personally lay the blame on those who have managed to essentially remove ALL the free market forces out of the healthcare picture leaving most people with absolutely zero incentive to shop for lower cost options.  Competitive FREE markets work and work well. Maybe we should try that again!

For free markets to work in the context of medical services there has to be information available to consumers so they are in a position to compare and contrast the quality of services.   Unfortunately, it is the lack of meaningful, compare-able information that is the biggest obstacle to an effective consumer-driven approach - and the only practical means of forcing providers to put such information out there is government edict.   

[GtHawk]

Thank you. A lot of poor Americans still don't qualify for medicaid. There are millions of Americans that don't get regular doctor checkups at all. That's a serious lack of preventative care that leads to a lot of avoidable emergencies. I bet there's also a lot of people in the middle class that would get better care if their lack of being rich didn't limit their healthcare options so much.

Sorry it's not the lack of being rich, it's the money that should be used for Americans being lavished on illegals instead of Americans. Deal with the real problem, not the propaganda. Just as there is never enough money for our schools because we are using it to educate illegals and feed them before legal Americans. There are not enough rich Americans, nor would they continue to be rich to fund socialist pipe dreams. But the really great part about socialism is that can continue to redefine rich until there are only two categories left...........the haves and the have nots. You can see the socialist dream come true in Venezuela where they have achieved that nirvana.

[Jazzhead]

The reason employers cut people or did not expand is that the ACA passed. That significantly raised the cost of health insurance for anyone who isn't on the teat.

Not so.   Employers still retain considerable flexibility in designing their programs,  and the Trump administration has already taken regulatory action to allow small employers to combine to create more diversified risk pools and the option to send employees out to the individual marketplace with tax-favored dollars.

The ACA's primary problems lie in the individual marketplace. 

[txradioguy]

Odd you should pick a device to improve whose purpose is to kill the mouse. Interesting parallel.

The reason employers cut people or did not expand is that the ACA passed. That significantly raised the cost of health insurance for anyone who isn't on the teat.

Not to mention it redefined what a "full time" employee is to force employers to provide coverage for what up to that point had been only part time employees.

[txradioguy]

Thank you. A lot of poor Americans still don't qualify for medicaid. There are millions of Americans that don't get regular doctor checkups at all. That's a serious lack of preventative care that leads to a lot of avoidable emergencies. I bet there's also a lot of people in the middle class that would get better care if their lack of being rich didn't limit their healthcare options so much.

People who are 138% above the federal poverty level qualify for medicaid.  So your myth of poor people ot qualifying is just that...a myth.

Try again.

[LMAO]

Part of Dexter’s  problem, I have noticed,  is his refusal to acknowledge people’s personal experiences and simple economics. He believes in this so much that he just somehow believes it’ll work as he wants to believe it will  and that everybody will just forgo over their dollars   to help pay for it simply because he believes so.

Despite facts been presented to him, he soldiers on and still continues to get shot down

Yes, there are issues with American style healthcare. For one it’s expensive. And a devastating illness can put strain on a family’s finances. On the flipside of that, we can’t pay for the healthcare programs we currently have  and we’re close to 22 trillion in debt and rising fast. And there is not a government program that you can point to that  isn’t either facing insolvency or working as originally promised
for me to feel good about the government taking over healthcare. Some have talked about getting the government 100% out of healthcare. But there are risks with that, also

[Smokin Joe]

For free markets to work in the context of medical services there has to be information available to consumers so they are in a position to compare and contrast the quality of services.   Unfortunately, it is the lack of meaningful, compare-able information that is the biggest obstacle to an effective consumer-driven approach - and the only practical means of forcing providers to put such information out there is government edict.

Oh, that'd be easy. People who die don't get to click on 'like'.

[Smokin Joe]

Not so.   Employers still retain considerable flexibility in designing their programs,  and the Trump administration has already taken regulatory action to allow small employers to combine to create more diversified risk pools and the option to send employees out to the individual marketplace with tax-favored dollars.

The ACA's primary problems lie in the individual marketplace.

"Regulatory action" can be dispensed with the moment someone with a new 'pen and phone' decides to change it.

Congress should repeal that legislative abortion. Sadly, that may be a lost opportunity, thanks to the perfidy of the GOP.

[LegalAmerican]

I think the point is that the Bills those presidents signed were a product of Congress. They wrote them, they passed them, the President just signed them.

Correct. I thought everyone knew that?  Right now, "congress" is not working. 30 of the democrats are in Puerto Rico, partying instead of working.  President can VETO or sign those bills.   

[LegalAmerican]

Thank you. A lot of poor Americans still don't qualify for medicaid. There are millions of Americans that don't get regular doctor checkups at all. That's a serious lack of preventative care that leads to a lot of avoidable emergencies. I bet there's also a lot of people in the middle class that would get better care if their lack of being rich didn't limit their healthcare options so much.

The POINT WAS....ILLEGALS, ILLEGALS....ARE USING UP OUR MEDICAID. BUILD THE WALL. 

Listen, I don't use that "prevention" baloney put out by INSURANCE companies to generate income.  It is a waste of time.

I had EKG, TESTS...I still had a heart attack.  I drove myself to emergency. They could not tell, what was going on with me, even that I told them I was having a heart attack.  Pain, throwing up.  I stayed, they kept taking blood....laying around waiting....then full blown heart attack.  They didn't know what to do.  Finally a surgeon, put a stent in my heart valve, to open up the blood flow.  Prevention does not prevent anything.  You will still die in the end, even with health insurance.  I don't smoke ever, use illegal drugs, ever, no pot, ever. Never even got drunk! I eat low fat, lot of fiber, fruits & vegetables, vitamins taken, exercise....etc. etc.   You are over stating everything. I am not wealthy, I pay for medicare.

[DB]

Part of Dexter’s  problem, I have noticed,  is his refusal to acknowledge people’s personal experiences and simple economics. He believes in this so much that he just somehow believes it’ll work as he wants to believe it will  and that everybody will just forgo over their dollars   to help pay for it simply because he believes so.

Despite facts been presented to him, he soldiers on and still continues to get shot down

Yes, there are issues with American style healthcare. For one it’s expensive. And a devastating illness can put strain on a family’s finances. On the flipside of that, we can’t pay for the healthcare programs we currently have  and we’re close to 22 trillion in debt and rising fast. And there is not a government program that you can point to that  isn’t either facing insolvency or working as originally promised
for me to feel good about the government taking over healthcare. Some have talked about getting the government 100% out of healthcare. But there are risks with that, also

Another little detail conveniently ignored is many people choose to take poor care of themselves from food, exercise, high risk activities to heavy drug use. There are consequences for all that that should not be forced on others. But magically it is demanded that everyone pay for these peoples choices. And when that is done then government steps in and tells you what you can and can't do because it is "unhealthy", whether it is or isn't, and more freedom is lost. It is the road to nanny state where everyone is a ward of the state. Yet the Dexters of the world demand we go there in the name of "fairness". There is nothing fair about their demands at all. They simply choose to force you to take responsibility for their choices. They are thieves.

I choose freedom and take the consequences that come with it.

[LegalAmerican]

Sorry it's not the lack of being rich, it's the money that should be used for Americans being lavished on illegals instead of Americans. Deal with the real problem, not the propaganda. Just as there is never enough money for our schools because we are using it to educate illegals and feed them before legal Americans. There are not enough rich Americans, nor would they continue to be rich to fund socialist pipe dreams. But the really great part about socialism is that can continue to redefine rich until there are only two categories left...........the haves and the have nots. You can see the socialist dream come true in Venezuela where they have achieved that nirvana.

Correct, my point was the ILLEGALS using up our health care meant for AMERICANS!   WHOOSH for DEX.

I AM not FOR ACA...which was NOT about health anyway. It was the vehicle to put in 19 taxes and more regulations to choke business and stop our economy. NOT ABOUT HEALTH. People still think that?  It was put in on Christmas Eve, by DEMON-RATS, with no Republicans voting on it, who were home with family.

 NO SOCIALISM. NO COMMUNISM for our country.  Foolish thinking. NO SINGLE PAYER.

[Bigun]

Obamacare would have been nothing more than a Socialist wet dream IF we had a tax system that didn't put our people under the thumb of the government tax collector!  Just sayin!

[LMAO]

Another little detail conveniently ignored is many people choose to take poor care of themselves from food, exercise, high risk activities to heavy drug use. There are consequences for all that that should not be forced on others. But magically it is demanded that everyone pay for these peoples choices. And when that is done then government steps in and tells you what you can and can't do because it is "unhealthy", whether it is or isn't, and more freedom is lost. It is the road to nanny state where everyone is a ward of the state. Yet the Dexters of the world demand we go there in the name of "fairness". There is nothing fair about their demands at all. They simply choose to force you to take responsibility for their choices. They are thieves.

I choose freedom and take the consequences that come with it.

 

I’ve read somewhere, and I wish I could recall the percentages, that most healthcare issues can be pointed to lifestyle choices. I’ve seen it, myself.

This issue is very complex. There’s the financing side of this issue that even supporters cannot really say how all this will be paid for. But there’s also the humanity side to it as well. The complexity of this issue needs to be honestly and openly debated without replies that involve statements that start out with phrases like, “I bet,” or “I believe.”

[roamer_1]

I’ve read somewhere, and I wish I could recall the percentages, that most healthcare issues can be pointed to lifestyle choices. I’ve seen it, myself.

This issue is very complex. There’s the financing side of this issue that even supporters cannot really say how all this will be paid for. But there’s also the humanity side to it as well. The complexity of this issue needs to be honestly and openly debated without replies that involve statements that start out with phrases like, “I bet,” or “I believe.”

And therein lies the problem. This whole thing will come down to risk abatement, and the outlawing of everything that makes life worth living.

And more btw, in that like everything else the government does, some pigs are more equal than others - So snow boards, motorcycles and rifles will be vilified, but homosexual sex will be praised.

EVERYBODY has a vice. Everybody takes stupid chances. There is no way to perfectly insure that... But they will try, and in their trying, relieve us of our liberty.

[Smokin Joe]

And therein lies the problem. This whole thing will come down to risk abatement, and the outlawing of everything that makes life worth living.

And more btw, in that like everything else the government does, some pigs are more equal than others - So snow boards, motorcycles and rifles will be vilified, but homosexual sex will be praised.

EVERYBODY has a vice. Everybody takes stupid chances. There is no way to perfectly insure that... But they will try, and in their trying, relieve us of our liberty.

It won't hit home until someone points out that some 100,000 people a year end up in the ER from injuries sustained while playing....golf.
Gee, think of the savings....

[roamer_1]

It won't hit home until someone points out that some 100,000 people a year end up in the ER from injuries sustained while playing....golf.
Gee, think of the savings....

Yeah... get ready... an entire generation will grow up afraid to step into the shower without a helmet. There's 'Home of the Brave' for you.