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Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« on: January 05, 2019, 10:33:13 am »
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Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
Darryl Fears, Juliet Eilperin

Three days after most of the federal workforce was furloughed on Dec. 21, a 14-year-old girl fell 700 feet to her death at the Horseshoe Bend Overlook, part of the Glen Canyon Recreation Area in Arizona. The following day, Christmas, a man died at Yosemite National Park in California after suffering a head injury in a fall. On Dec. 27, a woman was killed by a falling tree at Great Smoky Mountains National Park, which straddles the borders of North Carolina and Tennessee.

The deaths follow a decision by Trump administration officials to leave the scenic — but sometimes deadly — parks open even as the Interior Department has halted most of its operations. During previous extended shutdowns, the National Park Service barred access to many of its sites across the nation.

Read more at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/three-dead-in-national-parks-as-shutdown-wears-on/ar-BBROJil

I don't like the spin of the article but...perhaps, the underlying facts that 3 persons have died in National Parks recently is true. People die in those parks with regularities and I don't know if these cases would not have happened with more employees at the parks. Shut the parks if this is a danger.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 10:49:24 am »
I agree, @TomSea , sadly, people die in National Parks anyway. Not having a non-shutdown body count to compare to, this can't be put into perspective.

For instance, in 2014, 164 people died in National Parks, one every 2.2 days on average. On the average two week period, that would lead one to expect six or seven deaths.

By that metric, the parks are twice as safe during the shutdown.

I suspect directed hype, not real reporting. (Pelosi's fault! )

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 12:22:07 pm »
Who is working to keep the parks closed?
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2019, 01:57:02 pm »
One of the big attractions of many national park is that they are scenic and include many trails and areas that are semi-dangerous or dangerous to trek.
If you fall off a ledge of more than fifty feet, chances are you are going to be seriously injured or die whether or not park services/rangers are available to help you.
It's like the area where I grew up along the Mississippi River bluffs in western Wisconsin. Three or four decades ago a neighborhood boy fell off a bluff I climbed many times as a kid and was killed. Those bluffs aren't nearly as high as many mountain trails in NPs, but they're high enough to kill you if you slip and fall.

 

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 02:20:34 pm »
The media are going all out on the Chicken Little scenario. Planes will fall out of the skies! People will fall off cliffs at Yosemite! Everyone in America will experience the heartbreak of psoriasis - as long as the government is shut down by the eeeevil Republicans!
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 02:24:30 pm »
Not only that, Trump didn't shut down the government. Nothing has reached his desk yet, which is driving my AT friends crazy. If you tell them the facts, they freak completely out. They know they are supposed to push the narrative but the facts annoy them.
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2019, 02:32:02 pm »
Not only that, Trump didn't shut down the government. Nothing has reached his desk yet, which is driving my AT friends crazy. If you tell them the facts, they freak completely out. They know they are supposed to push the narrative but the facts annoy them.

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2019, 03:20:57 pm »
AT=Anti-Trump
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2019, 03:25:35 pm »
Have you looked at the Horseshoe Bend Overlook.  It's an incredible piece of nature, but only a fool would walk up to the edge.  If you put up a guardrail some fool will climb over same and fall to their death anyway.  I've seen kids climb up on a rail right on top if the sign warning them not to do so. 
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2019, 03:45:14 pm »
Lots of people die in Parks every year, no matter what. Many of them from doing foolish things or trying to take deadly 'selfie' pics on their cellphones. Can't count the number of articles I've read about a person or group taking off on a hike through the mountains in the dead of winter.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2019, 04:39:43 pm »
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2019, 04:42:19 pm »
Have you looked at the Horseshoe Bend Overlook.  It's an incredible piece of nature, but only a fool would walk up to the edge.  If you put up a guardrail some fool will climb over same and fall to their death anyway.  I've seen kids climb up on a rail right on top if the sign warning them not to do so.
Every NP and other steep places (The Cliffs Of Moher in Ireland) I've visited there are always numerous people who ignore the fences and warning signs to get closer to the edge. Not me.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2019, 04:42:57 pm »
Give Trump his border wall funding. Stop the slaughter.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2019, 04:44:48 pm »
Let's compare the number of people who are the victims of crimes committed by illegals to the number who ignore safety warnings at a national park and find themselves injured or dead, shall we?  :laugh:
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2019, 05:27:14 pm »
Have you looked at the Horseshoe Bend Overlook.  It's an incredible piece of nature, but only a fool would walk up to the edge.
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It is about the same height as an 81-storey building, and the tallest structure in Paris. Its base is square, measuring 125 metres (410 ft) on each side. During its construction, the Eiffel Tower surpassed the Washington Monument to become the tallest man-made structure in the world, a title it held for 41 years until the Chrysler Building in New York City was finished in 1930. Due to the addition of a broadcasting aerial at the top of the tower in 1957, it is now taller than the Chrysler Building by 5.2 metres (17 ft). Excluding transmitters, the Eiffel Tower is the second tallest free-standing structure."

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2019, 06:13:13 pm »
Give Trump his border wall funding. Stop the slaughter.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2019, 07:09:09 pm »
I don't like the spin of the article but...perhaps, the underlying facts that 3 persons have died in National Parks recently is true. People die in those parks with regularities and I don't know if these cases would not have happened with more employees at the parks. Shut the parks if this is a danger.

LOL!
Like the staff would matter in the least to someone who has fallen 700 ft. If you have to take a breath while you are screaming on the way down, the verdict is guaranteed. Same with tree fall. A tree falls on you, you are probably dead.

'Head injury' is too vague to know, but I can tell you this: MOSTLY park staff are there to scrape you up and send you home. Mostly, injury in the wilderness means help is always too far away. You are on your own.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2019, 03:14:09 am »
LOL!
Like the staff would matter in the least to someone who has fallen 700 ft. If you have to take a breath while you are screaming on the way down, the verdict is guaranteed. Same with tree fall. A tree falls on you, you are probably dead.

'Head injury' is too vague to know, but I can tell you this: MOSTLY park staff are there to scrape you up and send you home. Mostly, injury in the wilderness means help is always too far away. You are on your own.
I can't imagine what the presence of park rangers could have done to do to inhibit hat huge slab of granite in Yosemite that  let loose and pancaked that climber. What could they have done, hollered "Look Out Below"?

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2019, 03:27:17 am »
I can't imagine what the presence of park rangers could have done to do to inhibit hat huge slab of granite in Yosemite that  let loose and pancaked that climber. What could they have done, hollered "Look Out Below"?

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2019, 10:45:43 pm »
Fell 700 feet. Takes a lot of brains with a 700 foot warning right in front of you.

Back in the 70s folks used to deface STREET SIGNS telling us that speed kills.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2019, 10:49:31 pm »
Sometimes, being stupid is fatal.
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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2019, 11:15:46 pm »
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You missed one. TIG= Trump Is God!!!! That would be me.

BTW it's great that the shut down is having so many positive effects. First being less govr' losers clogging up the works. Second is generally stupid people killing themselves off being stupid.

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Re: Three dead in national parks as shutdown wears on
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2019, 12:08:54 am »
    Thanks for that clarification @Restored I am guilty of interchanging the ET and AT nomenclature.  I stand corrected.
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