Why The Attacks On Trump’s Character Don’t Land

[corbe]

   I got spanked seriously last night, lost something dearly to me, besides @Bigun 's respect for offering humour and satire in a Thread about Romney which I turned into a Religious discussion so I will refrain from this, also. 
   I don't do Religion very well which attracted me to TBR in the first place.  @the_doc

[musiclady]

Guess my post struck a nerve.  Good.

It struck a nerve because it was accurate and intelligent.

Good post, btw.......... GOOD post. 

[musiclady]

   They don't land on me because I was already convinced (in 2015) that he was an immoral reprobate, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Isn't it interesting that having the same opinion one had in 2015.......... or well before............ based on evaluating facts about his character, or lack thereof now makes one a laughing stock among his faithful.

I'm content to have been right then, and to be right now........

Arguing either that character doesn't matter, or that doing a few things some of us want translate into having character, fall far short of ultimate truth.

[Frank Cannon]

Isn't it interesting that having the same opinion one had in 2015.......... or well before............ based on evaluating facts about his character, or lack thereof now makes one a laughing stock among his faithful.

Some people thought interracial marriage and birth control was a sin a couple years ago too.

BTW I don't care what you think about Trumps lifestyle. What I do care about is hearing your moralist ramblings on the topic nonstop for the last 3 years. Fact is 99% of people don't care. Donny is President. Move on with your life.

[the_doc]

Arguing either that character doesn't matter, or that doing a few things some of us want translate into having character, fall far short of ultimate truth.

Character does matter.  But that's not the key issue at this time.

Here's our bizarre situation:  we have a pretty crass, profane, narcissistic, and arguably devious POTUS who has a very sordid history of sexual immorality.  This is was what Romney was pointing out (and I do think Romney was firing his opening salvo to set up his own campaign for the White House in 2020). 

The important question is this:  Would you prefer to have Romney as POTUS at this time? 

[corbe]

Character does matter.  But that's not the key issue at this time.

Here's our bizarre situation:  we have a pretty crass, profane, narcissistic, and arguably devious POTUS who has a very sordid history of sexual immorality.  This is was what Romney was pointing out (and I do think Romney was firing his opening salvo to set up his own campaign for the White House in 2020). 

The important question is this:  Would you prefer to have Romney as POTUS at this time? 

   It's irrelevant to me I've never voted for either, and never will.

[aligncare]

Anyone who has ever worked in DC will tell you the way Trump talks in public – in what some have described as crass, profane, narcissistic and devious – is how politicos talk in private.

The difference between Trump and politicians is, Trump’s not a disingenuous phony. With Trump what you see and hear is what you get. Remember that when Trump campaigned for the presidency he never once wore blue jeans, a work shirt and cowboy hat as if to identify with farmers, ranchers, fishermen and coal miners like every other politician from Kerry to Warren has done. He made no excuses for being a billionaire businessman. He’s honest, and we like that about him.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Isn't it interesting that having the same opinion one had in 2015.......... or well before............ based on evaluating facts about his character, or lack thereof now makes one a laughing stock among his faithful.

I'm content to have been right then, and to be right now........ 

Character most certainly counts @musiclady   The strength of the President's character is on display with every sling and every arrow he absorbs while working to keep the promises he made to the American people.  He's doing what he was hired to do ... which is MUCH more than can be said for the saintly Bushes, both 41 and the shrub. 

What doesn't count are judgments by hypocritical virtue signalers who must stand on the shoulders of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, James Comey, et al. in an attempt to rise above the one man who is working harder than all the Bushes combined to protect American citizens --- all citizens, including even you. 

Shame on you.

[the_doc]

   It's irrelevant to me I've never voted for either, and never will.

Like you, I decided not to vote for either of them.

(Still...it would be interesting to see which one you think would be more dangerous for America.) 

[the_doc]

Anyone who has ever worked in DC will tell you the way Trump talks in public – in what some have described as crass, profane, narcissistic and devious – is how politicos talk in private.

Good point.

[corbe]

Like you, I decided not to vote for either of them.

(Still...it would be interesting to see which one you think would be more dangerous for America.) 

   In my small world they are both equally dangerous to the well being of America because they are similar in their ideology ~ NE Liberals, though they take different approaches to achieve their goals they are both non-starters, as far as I'm concerned.   

[the_doc]

   In my small world they are both equally dangerous to the well being of America because they are similar in their ideology ~ NE Liberals, though they take different approaches to achieve their goals they are both non-starters, as far as I'm concerned.

I know DJT was a Northeast liberal, but I don't see much of that in him anymore.  Even Trump's tariff wars, although worrisome to me, are going to be temporary if his strategy for leveling the playing field for international trade works.

BTW, I believe Romney would be a great deal more dangerous than Trump as POTUS.

[corbe]

   @the_doc I could get into some long thing about how dog $hit is different that cat $hit (having these precious animals in close proximity) but I think you get my drift regarding the Romney/Trump thing. 

   As many Conservatives feared in the beginning with Trump and a feckless GOP now that San Fran Nan is the sails and Turtle Mitch is his rudder I just don't believe the Trumpers (witnessed here) will ever be his anchor in spite of their veracious diet of red meat (which he can sustain), he will drift toward oblivion just as many of us here warned those that he would during the primaries.  It's more obvious now with the purge of his ballast (returning to the boat thing) Kelly, Mattis, etc.. Ivanka and Jared are his wind now.

[montanajoe]

Like you, I decided not to vote for either of them.

(Still...it would be interesting to see which one you think would be more dangerous for America.)

I also did not vote for either, left it blank and voted for Conservatives down ticket, but this I'm going to vote AGAINST Trump, whoever the Dims nominate gets my vote...

[the_doc]

I also did not vote for either, left it blank and voted for Conservatives down ticket, but this I'm going to vote AGAINST Trump, whoever the Dims nominate gets my vote...

I'll bet you'll change your mind before 2020.  (Really.)

[Absalom]

That's a pretty bitter rant and seems offtopic.  Abuse is everywhere in that respect.  Maybe one can say and I'm not saying this, your rhetoric can be emulated,  "well, the true church is especially under attack from Satan."

  https://newsok.com/article/feed/8147162/southern-babtoys-corporation-a-satirical-look-at-the-pervasive-problem-of-clergy-sexual-abuse  (Southern Babtoys)

Go bow to Mecca, that is where you'd be without the Crusades.

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This is an opinion forum and I expressed an opinion.
Homosexuality among the Church leadership was an analogy.
The Crusades were a failure as the Middle East is Muslim.
What on earth are you talking about??????????

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

You have pissed me off to no end and good lord I think you’ve got some crap bass-ackwards

But not this post of yours.  This is 100% spot on.   The only thing I would add is the tragedy of the lost possibilities. It truly is tragic.

Also, if things go down as youve suggested, and I think they will, conservatism won’t merely be lost for a generation, because we WILL still be out here, but rather, that as the lefts attacks on us grow, we will be forced into more of a corner, requiring us to actually fight...(side note Jazzy: this is why you’re so wrong on the 2A, but let’s not hijack)

And everything youve said and everything I’ve said is why the true kool aid drinking, bowing in realty to their newest deity like @Right_in_Virginia will lambast you (and I) for your post.

Thanks, @Axeslinger    You're, sadly, quite correct about the tragedy of lost possibilities.    Trump had a brilliant idea but can't follow through.   His erratic actions and refusal to grow in office,  even just a little, teensy bit,  is now threatening to reap the whirlwind of a radicalized Democratic party able to attain power not on the basis of its noxious commie ideas, but by exploiting folks' exasperation and exhaustion over Trump and the willing caricature he's provided them.   

The new conservative coalition that Trump proposed and assembled was genius,  but it needs to be defined on the basis of principles and ideas, not fealty to a cult of personality.   If the next election is about Trump, and not the policies that we need to change this country around,  the next President and Congress will be slinging socialism and perhaps even, as you suggest,  working for the clampdown on folks like us.