Live: House votes on spending bill with $5 billion for border wall

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House just voted to pass CR with $5Billion for Wall!

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Live on the House Floor: The House of Representatives is getting set to vote on a short-term proposal to fund the government which would include $5 Billion for the border wall. President Trump has vowed not to sign any bill that does not include adequate funding for border security, without specifying what an appropriate sum would be.

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OOPS!

Correction ...

They voted in favor of the Rule that will allow the House to move to a vote on a Continuing Resolution. When that is voted on and approved, the money will be passed and the bill will be sent to the Senate for reconciliation. This will happen tonight.

Sorry folks!

[Wingnut]

No worries.   

 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Speaker Ryan:  Why don't you perform at least one act you are required by law to do in passing a real budget instead of a half-assed plan to kick a can down the road?

[Right_in_Virginia]

House passed the spending bill with 5.7 billion for the border wall in it.

Oh, let me be the one to tell "the votes aren't in the House Pelosi".   

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Associated Press
Verified accountï‚™ @AP 

BREAKING: House approves $5.7 billion for President Trump's border wall, sending bill back to Senate and raising risk of partial shutdown

5:01 PM - 20 Dec 2018


https://twitter.com/AP/status/1075919089120481282?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Applewood]

House approves spending bill with $5.7B for border wall

Eight Republicans joined all 177 voting Democrats to oppose the measure, which passed 217-185. The bill now goes to the Senate, where it is certain to fall short of the 60 votes needed for passage since the chamber's 49 Democrats are against the border wall. That in turn will increase the chances that parts of the federal government will cease operations at midnight Friday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-approves-spending-bill-with-5b-for-border-wall

[mystery-ak]

Can't they change the rules in the Senate to a simple majority instead of the 60 votes needed

[Right_in_Virginia]

Chad Pergram
Verified accountï‚™ @ChadPergram 

Passage of CR with border money a major victory for President Trump and Republicans and a defeat for Democrats…who said the GOP lacked the votes for the border wall.

5:00 PM - 20 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1075918832777261056?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Wingnut]

The most likely possibility Friday is that the Senate strips the border wall out of the bill but keeps the disaster funds and sends it back to the House. House lawmakers said they were being told to stay in town for more possible votes.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Can't they change the rules in the Senate to a simple majority instead of the 60 votes needed

I'm confused.  I thought it was 51 to pass BUT sixty 60 to stop a filibuster. 

[mystery-ak]

I'm confused.  I thought it was 51 to pass BUT sixty 60 to stop a filibuster.

It is...but everyone is saying they need 60 to pass...which is it?

[Hoodat]

It is...but everyone is saying they need 60 to pass...which is it?

They only need a simple majority of those present to vote.  For example, if there are only 95 Senators voting, then 48 or more votes would win.

However, a vote cannot be taken until cloture is agreed upon.  The threshold for cloture is 60 votes.  So if the Democrats oppose cloture, they will be filibustering against passage (just like they did in the 1950s and 60s when they filibustered against Civil Rights legislation).  So not only will the onus for a shutdown be on them, but it will also be an opportunity to remind everyone the method Democrats used to fight against Civil Rights.

[mystery-ak]

They only need a simple majority of those present to vote.  For example, if there are only 95 Senators voting, then 48 or more votes would win.

However, a vote cannot be taken until cloture is agreed upon.  The threshold for cloture is 60 votes.  So if the Democrats oppose cloture, they will be filibustering against passage (just like they did in the 1950s and 60s when they filibustered against Civil Rights legislation).  So not only will the onus for a shutdown be on them, but it will also be an opportunity to remind everyone the method Democrats used to fight against Civil Rights.

Thanks....doesn't look good in the Senate then

[Fishrrman]

mystery asked:
"Can't they change the rules in the Senate to a simple majority instead of the 60 votes needed"

Yes, they can.
With a simple majority vote they can invoke a rule change to change the number of votes needed for cloture.

Will they?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

House passed the spending bill with 5.7 billion for the border wall in it.

Oh, let me be the one to tell "the votes aren't in the House Pelosi".   

 

"We have to Pass Our Emperor's New Clothes so you can See what's not in them."

Hilarious. Nan's been breathing Fire and Brimstone up till what, 2 months ago?

And now her henchmen are having second thoughts about spending their own political skins to prop up old Drool Cup Pelosi.

 

The Blue Wave is finally seeing the Voters bearing down on them from behind their shoulders.

[Hoodat]

Thanks....doesn't look good in the Senate then

If the GOP has 50+ votes, then it is perfect.  The Democrats will get sole blame for shutting down the government because it will be their filibuster that does it.  And any Republican with any sense will compare Schumer's filibuster with that of Richard B. Russell against the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

The Dems may decide to risk it.  If they filibuster through Jan 5, then the House bill may become null and void.  At which point the GOP Senate fills every vacant judicial seat in the country with the staunchest Conservative judges they can find.  Heck, if they really wanted to play hard ball, they could dissolve the entire 9th Circuit Court and then rebuild it from scratch.  That ought to piss Pelosi off.

[libertybele]

Thanks....doesn't look good in the Senate then

Well, perhaps it depends on how many people remain in the Senate to vote rather than leaving on Xmas vacation?

[Skeptic]

They voted in favor of the Rule that will allow the House to move to a vote on a Continuing Resolution. When that is voted on and approved, the money will be passed and the bill will be sent to the Senate for reconciliation. This will happen tonight.

Sorry folks!

You are saying that in 24 hours we shouid know
that funding for a border wall is approved. Right?

[Right_in_Virginia]

 

Brian Cates
‏ @drawandstrike 13m13 minutes ago

"Hello. My name is Paul Ryan. I just spent two years telling Trump he'd never get funding for his wall. And today he owned me like a little bitch and I'd just like to say I'm sorry and stuff and here's your $5.75 billion for your wall Mr. Trump AND PLEASE DON'T HURT ME ANYMORE."

[IsailedawayfromFR]

If the GOP has 50+ votes, then it is perfect. The Democrats will get sole blame for shutting down the government because it will be their filibuster that does it. And any Republican with any sense will compare Schumer's filibuster with that of Richard B. Russell against the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

The Dems may decide to risk it.  If they filibuster through Jan 5, then the House bill may become null and void.  At which point the GOP Senate fills every vacant judicial seat in the country with the staunchest Conservative judges they can find.  Heck, if they really wanted to play hard ball, they could dissolve the entire 9th Circuit Court and then rebuild it from scratch.  That ought to piss Pelosi off.

McConnell is already on record for saying he will not fund wall.  So it will be stripped in bill, approved by Senate and sent to House.

The GOP will be the one who stops bill, not the Dems, as either Ryan will get the stripped bill stopped(unlikely) or Trump will veto(more likely).

McConnell says Senate will vote on stopgap to avert shutdown – without new border wall funding
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-says-senate-will-vote-on-stopgap-measure-to-avert-government-shutdown-without-new-border-wall-funding

[Hoodat]

McConnell is already on record for saying he will not fund wall.  So it will be stripped in bill, approved by Senate and sent to House.

That already happened.

[libertybele]

That already happened.

Then McConnell IS the blame for no wall.  Not Trump's.  Not Ryan's.  Not the GOP in general.  But McConnell.

[Hoodat]

The fat lady has not yet sung.  I know it's crazy, but the GOP might actually pull this off.

[Wingnut]

The fat lady has not yet sung.  I know it's crazy, but the GOP might actually pull this off.

If there is a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....the GOP senate will find it.