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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2018, 04:01:46 am »
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It's funny that you think that is a "gotcha". I didn't support ANY of them initially,and wasn't going to vote for ANY of them until the night before the election. That was when it occurred to me that Trump's massive ego  meant that he would be BY FAR the best candidate and president because he couldn't be bribed or threatened to take a dive like the typical RINO.

There is NOTHING in the entire world as valuable to Trump as his ego,and it demands he go down in the history books as one of America's greatest presidents.

I still don't like him and have no desire to be friends with him. So what? I was never friends with any other president,either.  I vote for politicians because I want them to protect and advance America,not because of the "Big Red R" on their chests or their family connections.

Maybe YOU think presidents should be people in your book club,people you play cards with on Sat night,or people you roll in the floor with on Sunday while "Praising de LAWD!"?

As for the rest of it,if he does as well the second half of his term as he did the first half,I will be voting for him again in 2020.

It was a simple question.  Stop trying to insult me with your hate-on for Christians; you can't.  I recalled that you did not like Trump and that you had not decided to vote for him until the day before.  It seems bizarre to me that if Trump "was and is more conservative than all the rest of them put together" that you all of a sudden, the night before, decided to vote for him just because of his ego.

PS  You can cram your "praise de lawd" shit up your bigoted ass.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2018, 04:06:10 am »
   Be careful, I don't believe all the Mods are in Bible study on Sunday nights.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2018, 04:19:36 am »

   You're wrong @sneakypete There was a Canadian running that was more Conservative than that NY lib Trump.



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More delusions, so whom you purport to represent has said he supported Trump in 2016 and expects to in 2020 is a Conservative but the NY Lib is not?   You are just bringing in more divisiveness.  So, Cruz has expressed many times, support of the President, the Trumps and Pence went to Texas 4 times to campaign for Cruz, but you are the true "plant for Cruz"? 


Sorry...

And again, I believe we should unite for the party, Cruz voted for budget bills that funded PP, not once but two times.



Also, conservatism has to be also what is accomplished than just words. I mean, I appreciate what Senator Paul, etc. say but somewhere, I look at actual things accomplished.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2018, 04:22:31 am »
It was a simple question.  Stop trying to insult me with your hate-on for Christians; you can't.  I recalled that you did not like Trump and that you had not decided to vote for him until the day before.  It seems bizarre to me that if Trump "was and is more conservative than all the rest of them put together" that you all of a sudden, the night before, decided to vote for him just because of his ego.

PS  You can cram your "praise de lawd" shit up your bigoted ass.

I can take it.

Whomever the nominee was, that was whom I would support, I did it with Dole, the Bushes, McCain and Romney. That shouldn't be too hard to understand.  Some of these candidates were, I admit, not the best. What does one want? Someone who campaigns as a conservative and are not? Or someone who you have questions about turning out to be conservative.

This can be rejected and that's fine.

Returning religious liberty to voters, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, these are just a few things, adding on to what I said earlier.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2018, 04:24:41 am »
Even if it's not perfect and I think it is excellent except maybe as the article says, sometimes Trump acts uncouth, okay, I call it honesty, everything else is pretty good. I can only expect so much. If one is pro-life and say he hasn't done enough, what's he suppose to do? Send the national guard to close abortion clinics? You can only do so much.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2018, 04:27:05 am »
  Fox & Freaks really @TomSea It matters nada to me where Trump goes or for he campaigns for cause as an esteemed Briefer says quite often, not my circus and it wasn't I that impregnated your elephant.
  I still like Mike Lee even though he's GOP if that's any consolation.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2018, 04:38:36 am »
I can take it.

Whomever the nominee was, that was whom I would support, I did it with Dole, the Bushes, McCain and Romney. That shouldn't be too hard to understand.  Some of these candidates were, I admit, not the best. What does one want? Someone who campaigns as a conservative and are not? Or someone who you have questions about turning out to be conservative.

This can be rejected and that's fine.

Returning religious liberty to voters, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, these are just a few things, adding on to what I said earlier.

I have no problem with any of this.  What I have a problem with is the constant back and forth because some of us made a different decision than that.  Someone starts dishing shit at me, and I'm going to dish it back though.  Y'all like it when your POTUS does it, no one should have any problem when I do it.  Right?

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2018, 02:41:29 pm »
If that were the case, then when I said I supported the Conservative candidate, you would have assumed I supported Trump.  Yet you didn't.  Go figure.  So yes, you know damn well that Cruz was the Conservative candidate and Trump was not.  Which is the very reason this thread exists.  So yes, 'delusional' would be the person who believes trillion dollar deficits, protectionism, TrumpCare, Kelo, higher taxes for hedge fund managers, etc. are all Conservative positions.

Meanwhile, I continue to praise Trump every time he does something Conservative while you continue to falsely label me as someone who never supports Trump.  And when Trump does something that is liberal, I will call him out on it, while you go on pretending that liberal is the new Conservative.  You know, that pesky 'truth' thing you are struggling with?

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OK,Trump could NOT have been the most conservative candidate BEFORE the election because he had never held public office before. Nor was he the most leftist (PLEASE note I did NOT write "liberal") candidate. He was an UNKNOWN potential politician.

Which in itself put him ahead of all the "Usual Suspects" because he owed no one in office any favors. Which is the biggest reason all the professional polls and their whores hate him. He can't be handled.

And it turned out that once in office he has turned into the most EFFECTIVE conservative President of our lifetimes BECAUSE he has never held elective office before,owes no one any favors,and will never hold public office again once he leaves this one.

Cruz has surprised me almost as much as Lady Lindsey by stepping up to the conservative plate,but if he can do this now,WHY did he never do it before? The probable answer is he can see how standing your ground and making the left come to you has worked for Trump,so he is trying it himself. IMHO,both Cruz and Lady Lindsey are looking at 2024.

The rest are shit on the best day they have ever seen. Especially JEB.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #83 on: December 17, 2018, 02:46:44 pm »
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It was a simple question.  Stop trying to insult me with your hate-on for Christians; you can't.  I recalled that you did not like Trump and that you had not decided to vote for him until the day before.  It seems bizarre to me that if Trump "was and is more conservative than all the rest of them put together" that you all of a sudden, the night before, decided to vote for him just because of his ego.

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Being,or even appearing to be,the most conservative candidate amongst that batch was nothing to brag about.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2018, 02:50:48 pm »
I can take it.

Whomever the nominee was, that was whom I would support, I did it with Dole, the Bushes, McCain and Romney. That shouldn't be too hard to understand.  Some of these candidates were, I admit, not the best.

@TomSea

While it is true we all  have our individual "bridges I will NOT cross!",anyone who waits for the "perfect candidate to vote for" is never going to cast a vote. One thing politics shares with real life is you are going to have to make compromises.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #85 on: December 17, 2018, 02:55:34 pm »
@RoosGirl

Being,or even appearing to be,the most conservative candidate amongst that batch was nothing to brag about.

Ahma gonna tell Jayzus yew said that!

I don't kniw why the guy who married Beyonce would care, but whatevs.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2018, 04:57:33 pm »
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OK,Trump could NOT have been the most conservative candidate BEFORE the election because he had never held public office before.

Uh, no.  Once does not have to hold public office in order to be Conservative.  That dog won't hunt.


Nor was he the most leftist (PLEASE note I did NOT write "liberal") candidate.

Since you brought it up, he was indeed to the left of Bernie Sanders on the Kelo decision.  But then no one here said anything about superlatives.  It's a strawman, and a rather weak one at that.


He was an UNKNOWN potential politician.

Unknown?  Are you serious?  He is perhaps the most well-known candidate to run for President since Ike.  Even people who don't follow politics at all knew who Donald Trump was.  His name has been his brand in everything he does his entire working career.

And most of us here were around when he bashed Reaganomics, or when he called for an assault weapons ban, or when he championed Kelo and the government's right to take property from one person and give it to another.  And everyone here was definitely around during the campaign when Mr. Unknown said that he would expedite the return of illegals, or that Planned Parenthood did wonderful things, or that his abortion-loving sister would make a great Supreme Court judge, or that taxes should be raised on the top 1%.


Which in itself put him ahead of all the "Usual Suspects" because he owed no one in office any favors. Which is the biggest reason all the professional polls and their whores hate him. He can't be handled.

Neither can George Soros.  Does that make George Soros a Conservative?  I think not.


And it turned out that once in office he has turned into the most EFFECTIVE conservative President of our lifetimes BECAUSE he has never held elective office before,owes no one any favors,and will never hold public office again once he leaves this one.

Your causation reasoning needs a lot of work here.  Never holding office before does not translate into effective Conservative executive leadership.  Dwight Eisenhower never held elective office before becoming President.  Yet he stayed on the golf course almost as much as Trump while the top tax rate remained at 91% during both his terms.  Woodrow Wilson had but two years of elected office under his belt before becoming President.  Yet he was perhaps the biggest fascist to ever hold that office.

And what exactly do you consider "EFFECTIVE"?  The wall being built?  Baseline budgeting coming to an end?  Unfunding Planned Parenthood?  A decrease in the federal deficit?  ObamaCare being tossed out?  It is hard to take you seriously about Conservatism when you don't even know what it means.


Cruz has surprised me almost as much as Lady Lindsey by stepping up to the conservative plate,but if he can do this now,WHY did he never do it before?

Do you mean the same Ted Cruz who was on the front line fighting for Heller before the Supreme Court while Donald Trump was calling for an assault weapons ban?  The same Ted Cruz who telling Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor to go to hell while Donald Trump was saving his RINO ass by funding his runoff campaing against Matt Bevin?  The same Ted Cruz who was willing to shut the government down in order to get the federal government the hell out of the insurance business while Donald Trump urges that we replace Obamacare with Trumpcare?

When it comes to stepping up to the Conservative plate, Ted Cruz is batting leadoff while Trump comes in as a pinch hitter in the eighth inning.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2018, 11:31:45 pm »

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Uh, no.  Once does not have to hold public office in order to be Conservative.  That dog won't hunt.

@Hoodat

Uhhhh,one DOES have to have held office before to have a political history to qualify him or her as "the most" or even "the less" ANYTHING.

 

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Unknown?  Are you serious?  He is perhaps the most well-known candidate to run for President since Ike.  Even people who don't follow politics at all knew who Donald Trump was.  His name has been his brand in everything he does his entire working career.

Ok,Bubba,how about regale all of us with the bills he wrote and the votes he cast before becoming president?



 
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #88 on: December 18, 2018, 01:33:52 am »
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Uhhhh,one DOES have to have held office before to have a political history to qualify him or her as "the most" or even "the less" ANYTHING.

Sure, if you decide to move the goal posts like that.  Not that I blame you considering how asinine your previous position was.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #89 on: December 18, 2018, 01:35:51 am »
Ok,Bubba,how about regale all of us with the bills he wrote and the votes he cast before becoming president?

Writing bills and casting votes is not a prerequisite for being well known.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #90 on: December 18, 2018, 01:37:49 am »
Not really sure what any of this has to do with Trump since it was his sycophant supporters that I was criticizing.  You know, the ones who define Conservatism as anything that Donald Trump does.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2018, 03:30:05 pm »
Kewl!  A Cruz-bashing thread!  I was afraid these went the way of the Dodo bird....
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2018, 03:49:14 pm »
Kewl!  A Cruz-bashing thread!  I was afraid these went the way of the Dodo bird....

On a Conservative forum.... bashing Ted Cruz seems more than a bit odd.  Don't you agree?   Very telling of the "bashers".
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« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2018, 03:55:08 pm »
On a Conservative forum.... bashing Ted Cruz seems more than a bit odd.  Don't you agree?   Very telling of the "bashers".

Well, it is entertaining to watch...

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2018, 03:56:12 pm »
Kewl!  A Cruz-bashing thread!  I was afraid these went the way of the Dodo bird....

LOL!  Come on, man.  At least, be a little bit honest here.

We had a long-running duplicate thread on Cruz's facial hair...along with this one here.

Plus, the ten page thread on 'Trump supporters are the biggest losers' fiasco.

It's y'all that seem it impossible to fantasize about Ted ever becoming  more than Texas state senator.

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #95 on: December 18, 2018, 04:02:37 pm »
Well, it is entertaining to watch...

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Worthy of only the best popcorn.....

or the cheapest champagne (ooops).

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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #96 on: December 18, 2018, 04:06:29 pm »
On a Conservative forum.... bashing Ted Cruz seems more than a bit odd.  Don't you agree?   Very telling of the "bashers".

Why? No actual American conservatives are being bashed.
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« Reply #97 on: December 18, 2018, 04:13:09 pm »
LOL!  Come on, man.  At least, be a little bit honest here.

We had a long-running duplicate thread on Cruz's facial hair...along with this one here.

Plus, the ten page thread on 'Trump supporters are the biggest losers' fiasco.

It's y'all that seem it impossible to fantasize about Ted ever becoming  more than Texas state senator.

Careful with that "y'all" tag there, especially if it references me.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #98 on: December 18, 2018, 04:14:54 pm »
Why? No actual American conservatives are being bashed.

LOL.  You mean what you describe as "Actual" American conservatives...

The devil's in the definitions.
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Re: Wanted: New Conservative Fighters
« Reply #99 on: December 18, 2018, 04:17:03 pm »
Why? No actual American conservatives are being bashed.

If you had had any credibility.....

it would have just gone bye-bye.

Big "if".
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