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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2018, 06:23:23 pm »
Alopecia?


lol....Medical term for loss of hair on scalp.    :thumbsup:

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2018, 06:24:23 pm »
I kind of liked the Aquatic Ape theory when I first read about it years ago. The so-called experts have poo-poohed the theory, but then they do that with pretty much every theory which doesn't conform to the scientific orthodoxy.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2018, 06:27:13 pm »
...Wrong premise with which to begin....

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2018, 06:27:49 pm »
I'm pretty sure a human trained for persistence hunting could catch and kill a horse. Our bodies are excellent at dealing with heat. Some animals can definitely run long distances with fur, but I think us not having fur has something to do with why we are one of the best in the animal kingdom when it comes to that.
Humans became able to catch and kill large, fast, animals, not because we could outrun them, but because we could out think them. working together helps a lot. Buffalo jumps, corralling efforts, all require 'setting' up the herd animals, either to be forced into an area where they would stampede to their doom, or be contained. Working together in groups (and, yes, communication of complex ideas), permitted humans to capture or kill those animals.

As for running down a horse, in open country they can sprint at 20-25 miles per hour, and rest for a long time before humans catch up. Only by forcing them into terrain where they can't use their speed to their advantage can they be captured otherwise--or by luring them in with bait--something which isn't really possible in areas where there is abundant food.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2018, 06:28:25 pm »
Something about North Africa and bugs. I worked with an Algerian who would sit there and talk to me with flies crawling across his face and not even twitch.... Me, I would have shooed the darned things away. :shrug:

I've seen the same thing. The worst were the flies that went right for the eyes or mouth. Everyone called them Sh*t files. Reason being they were looking for a drink after a lunch of human excrement.

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2018, 06:29:47 pm »
It isn't pursuing the prey. It is outthinking it.

We are definitely much better at closing distances and conserving energy. Early humans must have been very scary to the prey they chased down.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2018, 06:30:29 pm »
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2018, 06:31:21 pm »
So manscaping and Brazilian waxes could be invented,  :silly:

Or so men could buy women fur coats before PETA was invented?

I’m in a silly mood. I wouldn’t wear a fur coat but I might wear a faux fur one.
Our views on fur may differ, but the animal is done with it, why not? Most of the source animals aren't exactly the nicest critters on the planet, either. Also, there are huge differences between the texture and feel of real fur versus faux fur. The ruff around the hood of my extreme cold weather parka is real fur, because the fake would accumulate ice and the real fur doesn't.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2018, 06:34:59 pm »
We are definitely much better at closing distances and conserving energy. Early humans must have been very scary to the prey they chased down.
Humans really got scary with closing distances and conserving energy once we got on horseback. On foot, not so much. Capturing or hunting faster animals became more a question of teamwork, communication, and out thinking the prey, it isn't something that comes from raw ability to outdistance any of them.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2018, 06:35:03 pm »
I kind of liked the Aquatic Ape theory when I first read about it years ago. The so-called experts have poo-poohed the theory, but then they do that with pretty much every theory which doesn't conform to the scientific orthodoxy.

This sounds half right. Half never have quite lost their...aquatic flavor...
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2018, 06:38:28 pm »
Our views on fur may differ, but the animal is done with it, why not? Most of the source animals aren't exactly the nicest critters on the planet, either. Also, there are huge differences between the texture and feel of real fur versus faux fur. The ruff around the hood of my extreme cold weather parka is real fur, because the fake would accumulate ice and the real fur doesn't.

My mother has a seal coat and a mink. She told me I could have one when she is no longer here. Now that I fit into them, she offered to let me have one now. I remember as a child thinking they were glamorous. Like old Hollywood. Now, no. It’s not me. I told her I would sell it because I just don’t want it plus I have to store it in a freezer during the spring and summer.

She’s cool with it and will try to sell them both.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2018, 06:44:11 pm »
My mother has a seal coat and a mink. She told me I could have one when she is no longer here. Now that I fit into them, she offered to let me have one now. I remember as a child thinking they were glamorous. Like old Hollywood. Now, no. It’s not me. I told her I would sell it because I just don’t want it plus I have to store it in a freezer during the spring and summer.

She’s cool with it and will try to sell them both.
You could move to a colder climate, and then you'd only have to store it a couple of months... :shrug: (just kidding, keep in mind where I'm from).
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2018, 06:45:40 pm »
Well, the Garden of Eden was the perfect temperature, so I'm pretty sure we never had fur.

No need.

Uh.... I've seen some hairy chests (not up close and personally, mind you...lol) that might beg to differ on that.   :silly:

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2018, 06:46:22 pm »
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2018, 06:46:34 pm »
On foot, not so much.

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Persistence hunting takes place during the hottest time of the day and involves chasing an animal until it is run to exhaustion. A critical factor is the fact that humans can keep their bodies cool by sweating while running. Another critical factor is the ability to track down an animal.

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On foot for sure. There's not always an opportunity to corner an animal or do something else clever. Sometimes they had to just run them to exhaustion. Humans are pretty badass. 

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2018, 06:55:30 pm »
It is time.


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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2018, 07:02:58 pm »
http://www.academia.edu/5545172/Persistence_Hunting_by_Modern_Hunter_Gatherers

On foot for sure. There's not always an opportunity to corner an animal or do something else clever. Sometimes they had to just run them to exhaustion. Humans are pretty badass.
In the American west, there are almost always subtle (and in some cases not so subtle) topographic features which enable the capture or containment of herd animals if they can be driven into those features. Here, specifically, and in many of the areas I have been in, there are valleys and even box canyons which will do quite nicely. As an alternative, chasing the herd toward a cliff works, too, and the numerous identified buffalo jump sites  across the west attest to this. Chasing some critter 20 km in the heat of the day may be a way to get (some damned gamey) meat, but there are more efficient means. The enclosure may not necessarily even be physical, if stationed hunters pop up from concealment and turn the herd or use fire to alter its movement. Terrain features that may not be apparent from the modern roadside exist and the hunters would know the area best to take advantage of those. One example you showed had a track that doubled back repeatedly. that could have been avoided through cooperation and coordination, and stationing hunters to block return routes. So, too, could a drive/stand technique where hunters wait in concealment along game trails while others drive the herd past (and spear the animals as they pass). It is a technique still used, even in the era of firearms.
Even sitting next to the trail to the water hole with a favorable wind beats running 20 km in the mid day heat. Humans get heat stroke, too.
There are far better techniques for hunting than chasing something down on foot, again, it is the ability of humans to out think their prey that made them an apex predator. 
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2018, 07:03:35 pm »
You could move to a colder climate, and then you'd only have to store it a couple of months... :shrug: (just kidding, keep in mind where I'm from).
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I am moving to a colder climate probably in the next ten years or so. that’s one of the th8ngs keeping me sane.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2018, 07:04:43 pm »
I am moving to a colder climate probably in the next ten years or so. that’s one of the th8ngs keeping me sane.
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2018, 07:09:47 pm »
Uh.... I've seen some hairy chests (not up close and personally, mind you...lol) that might beg to differ on that.   :silly:

Come to think of it, I've seen some pretty hairy backs on some lesser evolved males as well......  :terror:
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2018, 07:10:32 pm »
My mother has a seal coat and a mink. She told me I could have one when she is no longer here. Now that I fit into them, she offered to let me have one now.

My mom was old school-She had   mink and fur coats. When she passed away none of my sisters, SIL's, Nieces etc wanted them. No longer in style or out of vogue due to the fur I guess. If I recall they threw them in the trash.


I never see women wearing mink anymore at formal get togethers or dinners.

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2018, 07:26:41 pm »
Uh.... I've seen some hairy chests (not up close and personally, mind you...lol) that might beg to differ on that.   :silly:


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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2018, 07:38:46 pm »
Keeping my mothers mink coat. VERY warm, when we move into the ice age.  (grinning)

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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2018, 07:42:48 pm »
Come to think of it, I've seen some pretty hairy backs on some lesser evolved males as well......  :terror:

Gives new meaning to that "Cave Man" imagery, doesn't it.   :laugh:

Might explain why I've always preferred my men to be shaven (or not needing to shave...ie Cherokee).  That's not to say I haven't known a few hunks with beards.... hehe.   :whistle:
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Re: Why Did Humans Lose Their Fur?
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2018, 07:43:33 pm »
No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

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