More millennials are moving back home - and it's making everyone depressed:

[musiclady]

It's stacked in your favor because I am trying to disagree with an entire crowd of people by myself.

#1 - You chose to bring socialist Utopian arguments onto a board filled with educated, experienced Conservatives, so whining about the outcome is pointless.

#2 - Regarding your later point about 20 liberal professors, @Sanguine stated it correctly.  We would respond exactly the same way and win the argument because socialist ideology, whether presented by one student or 20 professors doesn't work in real life, and we have knowledge and experience in the real world......... which, incidentally, neither you nor the professors have.

[Dexter]

#1 - You chose to bring socialist Utopian arguments onto a board filled with educated, experienced Conservatives, so whining about the outcome is pointless.

#2 - Regarding your later point about 20 liberal professors, @Sanguine stated it correctly.  We would respond exactly the same way and win the argument because socialist ideology, whether presented by one student or 20 professors doesn't work in real life, and we have knowledge and experience in the real world......... which, incidentally, neither you nor the professors have.

I'm simply trying to demonstrate the futility of my struggle here. I've said my peace. I don't want to get 200 pages deep into this conversation because it's pointless. This isn't a right or wrong thing. We disagree on how the world should work.

[Cyber Liberty]

#1 - You chose to bring socialist Utopian arguments onto a board filled with educated, experienced Conservatives, so whining about the outcome is pointless.

#2 - Regarding your later point about 20 liberal professors, @Sanguine stated it correctly.  We would respond exactly the same way and win the argument because socialist ideology, whether presented by one student or 20 professors doesn't work in real life, and we have knowledge and experience in the real world......... which, incidentally, neither you nor the professors have.

You are describing the "consensus science" approach:  If 90% of Scientists agree on something it is no longer a theory, it's a fact.  Here, it's "If 20 out of 21 agree Socialism is where it's at, then it's the correct way to go."  He's just outnumbered. 

Both are fallacies.  As you say, if he had 20 confederates he'd still lose this argument, even if the reasoning was more robust.  It continues because everybody thinks he'll get a clue of the right person gave it to him.  I think we proved over the hundreds of posts that isn't going to happen, and eventually this thread will collapse under its own weight.  Even a car discussion can't save it.

Some people require real-life personal suffering to get it.  College Professors are proof ideology can be more powerful than proven facts.

[musiclady]

I'm simply trying to demonstrate the futility of my struggle here. I've said my peace. I don't want to get 200 pages deep into this conversation because it's pointless. This isn't a right or wrong thing. We disagree on how the world should work.

Again, the world cannot "work" under socialism.  And you're right........ the effort to defend it here is pointless.

Peace!

(And as always, you never lost your cool.  )

[musiclady]

You are describing the "consensus science" approach:  If 90% of Scientists agree on something it is no longer a theory, it's a fact.  Here, it's "If 20 out of 21 agree Socialism is where it's at, then it's the correct way to go."  He's just outnumbered. 

Both are fallacies.  As you say, if he had 20 confederates he'd still lose this argument, even if the reasoning was more robust.  It continues because everybody thinks he'll get a clue of the right person gave it to him.  I think we proved over the hundreds of posts that isn't going to happen, and eventually this thread will collapse under its own weight.  Even a car discussion can't save it.

Some people require real-life personal suffering to get it.  College Professors are proof ideology can be more powerful than proven facts.

And college professors (in general) have only ideology and no life experience to go on because they live in the proverbial "ivory tower" where everyone agrees with them.   They never have to defend themselves to people who are their age and know better.  They only have to defend themselves to students, and they do that by lowering the student's grade.

After all, they are socialists, and in socialism the powerful have absolutely control over the weak.  Any claims that it's a better way of life ignore all human rights and responsibilities........ and as a result, human dignity.

[Restored]

You are describing the "consensus science" approach:  If 90% of Scientists agree on something it is no longer a theory, it's a fact.  Here, it's "If 20 out of 21 agree Socialism is where it's at, then it's the correct way to go." 

True. Science is not something you vote on. If 20 scientists tell me it's not raining outside and I see it raining, it doesn't mean it isn't raining. If they tell me it is globally getting hotter but it isn't getting hotter where I live, it isn't global.

You can reach any conclusion you desire if you can choose the data you want to use.

[GtHawk]

Those people should be identified and prevented from wasting more resources. We become the greatest in the world by identifying all of our most brilliant people and giving them plentiful opportunities to become educated so they can grow into the people that will make sure America stays on top forever.

Nice cut on my statement, I never said these people shouldn't be given an education in a good paying trade, that would be an excellent use of our resources and benefit them and our society, I said that putting those ill prepared or educationally/emotionally ill equipped into a university setting was a waste of resources. You seem o be saying that only the best and brightest should have resources made available to them, and of the rest, those who in your opinion don't measure up? What, we ash heap them?

[Cyber Liberty]

(And as always, you never lost your cool.  )

Trolls never lose their cool...it's their goal to get others to lose their cool.  I'm surprised this thread didn't get locked about 300 posts ago.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nice cut on my statement, I never said these people shouldn't be given an education in a good paying trade, that would be an excellent use of our resources and benefit them and our society, I said that putting those ill prepared or educationally/emotionally ill equipped into a university setting was a waste of resources. You seem o be saying that only the best and brightest should have resources made available to them, and of the rest, those who in your opinion don't measure up? What, we ash heap them?

First we label them sub-standard, then we pin Yellow stars on them and march them into cattle cars.

There is an "educational" concept called "School-to-Work" where students are screened in Middle school to decide if they get College Prep classes or not.  If a kid isn't ready by 8th grade, he/she will get tracked into remedial classes, and will not have the necessary classwork background to get accepted into college.  Since girls at that age mature more quickly than boys, this heavily favors the gals.

Problem solves itself.

[Sanguine]

First we label them sub-standard, then we pin Yellow stars on them and march them into cattle cars.

There is an "educational" concept called "School-to-Work" where students are screened in Middle school to decide if they get College Prep classes or not.  If a kid isn't ready by 8th grade, he/she will get tracked into remedial classes, and will not have the necessary classwork background to get accepted into college.  Since girls at that age mature more quickly than boys, this heavily favors the gals.

Problem solves itself.

And, if they decide later to go to college, as frequently happens, they will be able to afford to do so, given that they are employable.

[Cyber Liberty]

And, if they decide later to go to college, as frequently happens, they will be able to afford to do so, given that they are employable.

After they fill in the necessary remedial classwork in a Jr. College.  They have to make up for the missing prep classes they could have taken in High School.

[musiclady]

Trolls never lose their cool...it's their goal to get others to lose their cool.  I'm surprised this thread didn't get locked about 300 posts ago.

I'm going to stand up for Dex here and say he's not a troll.  He's been here before, even farther left than he is now, but he clearly has a long way to go.

As for the thread's being locked......... there was absolutely no reason for that. There was some pretty good discussion from a lot of different Briefers explaining things clearly and politely to a young liberal.

All in all, I'd say it was a good thread........ except for possibly the car distraction. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm going to stand up for Dex here and say he's not a troll.  He's been here before, even farther left than he is now, but he clearly has a long way to go.

As for the thread's being locked......... there was absolutely no reason for that. There was some pretty good discussion from a lot of different Briefers explaining things clearly and politely to a young liberal.

All in all, I'd say it was a good thread........ except for possibly the car distraction. 

I think it's been a good thread as well.  I don't think he's a troll either, although it would explain all that "cool" he showed here.  I simply don't know him as well as you.

I appreciated the car thing...I found out I can get reasonably priced tires for my Hybrid Escape.   

[Hoodat]

I'm simply trying to demonstrate the futility of my struggle here. I've said my peace.

Struggle? What struggle?  You have already proven yourself to be impervious to logic, reason, and critical thought.  The deck is not stacked against you.  It is stacked against us.

Case in point:  For someone earning $12/hr their entire working life, they could have the option of retiring with over half a million dollars and drawing interest from that to the tune of $3,500/mo without touching the principle.  Or they could hand their money over to government and live the remainder of their lives in poverty with a government check of a few hundred dollars each month and no $500K nest egg to will to their grandkids.

Any person with the ability to reason and think critically would pick option 1.  But not you.  Faced with a clear choice of one being better than the other, you choose to deny the undeniable and reject the truth of the matter.  And for any Conservative, there is no way to 'win' against anyone who rejects truth.

[Cyber Liberty]

Struggle? What struggle?  You have already proven yourself to be impervious to logic, reason, and critical thought.  The deck is not stacked against you.  It is stacked against us.

Case in point:  For someone earning $12/hr their entire working life, they could have the option of retiring with over half a million dollars and drawing interest from that to the tune of $3,500/mo without touching the principle.  Or they could hand their money over to government and live the remainder of their lives in poverty with a government check of a few hundred dollars each month and no $500K nest egg to will to their grandkids.

Any person with the ability to reason and think critically would pick option 1.  But not you.  Faced with a clear choice of one being better than the other, you choose to deny the undeniable and reject the truth of the matter.  And for any Conservative, there is no way to 'win' against anyone who rejects truth.

When you consider the leftists' "calling" is to lecture us until our ears bleed to attempt to convince us up is down, the performance we've been entertained by makes perfect sense.  The language requires it to be called a "struggle" because they are good and we are bad (or too stupid to listen to our betters).

This was both a good thread and a waste of pixels, at the same time.  Cotton candy.

[RoosGirl]

I thought it was a car thread now....

What in the ever-loving bleep?!  I left last night and this was a perfectly good car thread (except for Frank pissing on the Bird), and I come back today and it's back to the same old bullshit as before.

[Cyber Liberty]

What in the ever-loving bleep?!  I left last night and this was a perfectly good car thread (except for Frank pissing on the Bird), and I come back today and it's back to the same old bullshit as before.

IKR?  I'm afraid it was inevitable...somebody always drags a thread back into the fray.

[RoosGirl]

Well, as a matter of fact, the car was set up as a county police interceptor... Not a stock 428... and yes, dual-quad crossram to the functional scoops. That car was wicked fast.

Curious, did it have a foul weather bypass for the scoops?

PS  The functional scoops wasn't the only thing that made a Ram Air, but you probably knew that.

[Cyber Liberty]

A gal-pal of mine on Bookface recently got a Hellcat.  Loves it.

[Sanguine]

I've got an actual golf-cart. 4-seater, electric. 

[mountaineer]

  I'm afraid it was inevitable...somebody always drags a thread back into the fray.

Wasn't me. I'm done with this one.

[Cyber Liberty]

I've got an actual golf-cart. 4-seater, electric.

My Aunt has one because she lives in one of those golf-oriented Adult Communities.  Every year she gets a visit from the cart company for Preventive Maintenance.  She has a service contract...they even replace her batteries if they're shot.  I see gasoline-powered Quads and sand rails are more popular where I'm moving.

[Cyber Liberty]

Wasn't me. I'm done with this one.

Correct.  So, what kind of cars do y'all drive?  Like them?

[mountaineer]

Correct.  So, what kind of cars do y'all drive?  Like them?

I have a Subaru, Mr. M a little BMW. Oh yes, and a 1922 Chevrolet (if the restoration ever is completed).

[goodwithagun]

Correct.  So, what kind of cars do y'all drive?  Like them?

I’ll be buying a two year old suv in two years. I’m looking at the Toyota Sequoia, Lexus GX460, and Land Rover Discovery. Any suggestions?