Should prostitution be legal?

[Dexter]

Do you believe that the people of each State through their elected representatives should have the liberty to decide whether or not prostitution should be legal in their State?

Sure, but that’s not the disagreement we are discussing.

[Dexter]

@roamer_1

OK,fair enough. I am going to make a rule that REQUIRES YOU to engage prostitutes.

Turn about is fair play.

LOL!

[sneakypete]

They actually do this in Germany.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html

@Hoodat

Germany is not America. Apples and oranges.

[Hoodat]

Sure, but that’s not the disagreement we are discussing.

I look forward to using this against you in future debates.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

OK,fair enough. I am going to make a rule that REQUIRES YOU to engage prostitutes.

Turn about is fair play.

Go ahead... If you can get that through your county and/or state, more power to ya.
I don't have to visit.

[sneakypete]

Absolutely wrong.
He is advocating federal imposition by dictate.
I am advocating local dictate by representatives who live here.

Both are legislating morality.

@roamer_1

Yet you seem to think you hold the moral high ground.

[Dexter]

I look forward to using this against you in future debates.

Can we continue discussing whether or not prostitution should be legal? Legalization through the states is fine.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Germany is not America. Apples and oranges.

America doesn't have national legalization of prostitution either.  Oranges and apples.

[musiclady]

That is not true. It degrades culture and degrades women. I have grandchildren here.

Bullshit sommore. Libertarianism is directly couched in federalism. Civil-libertarianism (Goldwater conservative) is not against law. It is *FOR* law and order. It prefers local law to all others. within the strict confines of an originalist reading of the Constitution, and the constitutions of the various states respectively, with sovereignty housed as close to the people as possible.

What you propose stinks of liberal anarchism, not to be confused with libertarian principles in the least.

Your first mistake is in the abject failure to recognize what prostitution does to a community - To the degradation of women's honor. What it does to promote adultery and divorce, and how it tears families to pieces. To sanction prostitution is to lend it credence - to favor it over the welfare of families and a decent environment to raise children. It endorses broken homes.

Your second mistake is to lend even more power to an overweening federal government, wishing for a federal decree to enforce your ludicrous proposal - No libertarian of any stripe would endorse that.

If you want to try it, then go where it is already legal, or change it where you are. You have zero right to impose it upon me and mine by federal fiat.

And don't try to wrap yourself in libertarianism anymore. It makes your ass look big.

This is an outstanding post, @roamer_1 .

Thank you for every word of it!

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Yet you seem to think you hold the moral high ground.

I said no such thing. I don't give a crap what you do where you are, just don't impose it over here.
That way, you can suffer the consequence of your actions, and I can go merrily on my way.

[Dexter]

He is advocating federal imposition by dictate.
I am advocating local dictate by representatives who live here.

Both are legislating morality.

I made no such indication. I am fine with state legalization, so let’s continue our disagreement on legal prostitution.

[Hoodat]

Can we continue discussing whether or not prostitution should be legal? Legalization through the states is fine.

Discuss away.  But at least be honest about it.  Don't try BS'ing us about how wonderful it will be for society.

[sneakypete]

America doesn't have national legalization of prostitution either.  Oranges and apples.

@Hoodat

And?

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

And?

It is asinine to come up with a hypothetical about prostitution being legal in America, and then when someone brings up a real example of a country that has legal prostitution, to blurt out 'apples and oranges'.

[Dexter]

Discuss away.  But at least be honest about it.  Don't try BS'ing us about how wonderful it will be for society.

I think sometimes what works best isn’t ideal, but what matters is results. Taking that business from the black market would save police resources and make the process safer. There would still be issues obviously, but they would be mitigated.

[roamer_1]

This is an outstanding post, @roamer_1 .

Thank you for every word of it!

 

[Dexter]

It is asinine to come up with a hypothetical about prostitution being legal in America, and then when someone brings up a real example of a country that has legal prostitution, to blurt out 'apples and oranges'.

You didn’t respond to what I said about your link.

[roamer_1]

I made no such indication. I am fine with state legalization, so let’s continue our disagreement on legal prostitution.

Then no... It is against the very aegis by which western civilization was instituted... By which any civility is instituted. To provide a safe place for women and children and to provide for their defense.

[Dexter]

Then no... It is against the very aegis by which western civilization was instituted... By which any civility is instituted. To provide a safe place for women and children and to provide for their defense.

You don’t think legalized prostitution would help keep women and children safe in any way? The opposite even? Can you explain your logic in detail?

[Hoodat]

You didn’t respond to what I said about your link.

I find it odd that you would say that considering the numerous post queries to you on the other threads that went unanswered.

But since you made a point of it, I went back to find what I had not seen before:

An isolated incident in another country, and the article says it’s unclear if the unnamed woman lost her benefits. I’d say there is a pretty good chance she didn’t. I also think Germany would be interested in fixing an oversight like that. This is not an argument. Women would not be forced into the sex industry by the government.

The point is that such a policy does exist in Germany.  And if you had actually read the article, you would see that this is to be the case.  It even shows the same argument you give about reducing crime:

The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.

When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.

"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."

Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.

Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.

"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.

Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.

Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.

[roamer_1]

I think sometimes what works best isn’t ideal, but what matters is results. Taking that business from the black market would save police resources and make the process safer. There would still be issues obviously, but they would be mitigated.

Your hypothesis is unproven and declared a priori.

[Dexter]

I find it odd that you would say that considering the numerous post queries to you on the other threads that went unanswered.

But since you made a point of it, I went back to find what I had not seen before:

The point is that such a policy does exist in Germany.  And if you had actually read the article, you would see that this is to be the case.  It even shows the same argument you give about reducing crime:

I doubt that lady actually lost her benefits and I am sure Germany fill fix the oversight. Women here would not be forced into prostitution.

[Dexter]

Your hypothesis is unproven and declared a priori.

We should look up whether or not black market prostitution has gone down in places that have legalized brothels. We should also check to see what safety precautions are taken for all involved and whether or not it actually makes the process safer. What do you think we will find?

[roamer_1]

You don’t think legalized prostitution would help keep women and children safe in any way? The opposite even? Can you explain your logic in detail?

Legitimizing whores legitimizes johns... It makes it all OK.
It is not OK. There is a reason that prostitution is generally in disfavor across all of history.
It is bad for marriage, and bad for women, leads to sexual addictions and perversions, and destroys families.

And ultimately it goes to the honor of women, degrading them, which degrades everything they do, from motherhood to grandmother-hood. From the child all the way to the matriarch. It is dishonorable and always has been. Why do you think that is?

[roamer_1]

We should look up whether or not black market prostitution has gone down in places that have legalized brothels. We should also check to see what safety precautions are taken for all involved and whether or not it actually makes the process safer. What do you think we will find?

You are welcome to. I don't need to.

You need only look to the West when it was a frontier.
Whores were all there was to begin with.
Why do you think they eventually went away as the towns and counties began to spring up?