Exclusive — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy: ‘No Longer Just Republicans Versus Democrats; It’s

[dfwgator]

Health care used to be very affordable and then came medicare. Once gov starts paying the price
goes up.

Ditto for College costs, once the government got involved in the School Loansharking business.

[LMAO]

As if the waves of immigrants were not intended to be destructive. You must not be aware of how communism works. This is communism by the books - Overwhelm the target country with burdensome welfare until it collapses... And that is the inevitable end... Wherein the encroaching socialism finally overpowers the government, and it collapses of its own weight, and a communist system rises from the ashes.

Them that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

Cloward -Piven Strategy

[LMAO]

No, in fact, it will not strengthen us for the future - In fact, it will do the precise opposite.

It comes down to math and economics.

What do you think those invested in US debt will do if they start suspecting they won't get paid back? Any "free" healthcare for all or "free" college for all schemes would be funding through more debt.

[GrouchoTex]

Republicans aren't really about small government anymore either, though. I am ALL ABOUT limiting the power and influence of the government. I'm all about state rights, but there doesn't seem to be honest efforts to push true conservatism. Every bill and proposal is polluted with nonsense and half truths. Nothing works the way it should.

I am not just going to shrug my shoulders and give up on the idea.
Your philosophy sounds like inside of every silver lining, ther's a cloud.

[Fishrrman]

jafo wrote:
"2nd, while the Republicans have a simple majority in the Senate, votes require a vote of 60 to pass legislation.  To get 60 votes today, it requires all the Republicans and I believe 8 Democommies.  They refuse to vote on anything, so the Senate has basically been frozen for two years."

The Pubbies could change this with a single majority vote (to change the rules and nuke the filibuster) -- IF they wanted to.

Whether or not they "want to" remains to be seen.
I would hope Mr. Trump twists a few arms in the days to come...

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Eventually AI and robotics will become so advanced that almost all human labor will be obsolete.  I think the end game, whether I like it or not, is that humanity will eventually have no other option than to let go and be taken care of by the robotic God it built.

Do not know what you mean by the term 'eventually'.

Autos have been around since the 19th century yet most of the world walks or have bikes as they have no cars.

Yet you would have said way back then that all transportation will be done by autos eventually.

Autos are a powerful leap forward, yet it did not forever keep us from walking even after 120 years.

Same with AI.

[Dexter]

Do not know what you mean by the term 'eventually'.

Autos have been around since the 19th century yet most of the world walks or have bikes as they have no cars.

Yet you would have said way back then that all transportation will be done by autos eventually.

Autos are a powerful leap forward, yet it did not forever keep us from walking even after 120 years.

Same with AI.

Almost nobody owned cars at the beginning of the 1900s. We entered that century on horseback and left it in a space shuttle. Humanity has come a VERY long way in the last couple hundred years. Technology will continue to improve as time goes on. We're making incredible advances in AI, and considering the way technology has been improving multiplicatively it's safe to assume we will continue making incredible progress. These problems aren't at humanity's front door yet, but they will be before too long.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Almost nobody owned cars at the beginning of the 1900s. We entered that century on horseback and left it in a space shuttle. Humanity has come a VERY long way in the last couple hundred years. Technology will continue to improve as time goes on. We're making incredible advances in AI, and considering the way technology has been improving multiplicatively it's safe to assume we will continue making incredible progress. These problems aren't at humanity's front door yet, but they will be before too long.

There you go again.  'before too long'.

Didn't you read what I said about most people in the world still do not own autos and walk, even with the technological breakthrough of the automobile?

You are describing things so far into future as to make it a non-issue.

Been watching George Jetson lately?

[Dexter]

There you go again.  'before too long'.

Didn't you read what I said about most people in the world still do not own autos and walk, even with the technological breakthrough of the automobile?

You are describing things so far into future as to make it a non-issue.

Been watching George Jetson lately?

The first world is a century or more ahead of the third world. Yeah, once all of the jobs in the states disappear people might be able to find some work in Africa somewhere. I think a jobs crisis in the first world is easily less than a century away. I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 50 years away. Anyway, I was just making the point that living off of the machine is probably the ultimate destiny of humanity, like it or not. We don't need to make any giant policy decisions in the immediate future to prepare for it; I just think it's an interesting topic. I think humanity will slowly gravitate towards that as AI becomes more and more prevalent in our lives.

[Absalom]

Republicans aren't really about small government anymore either, though. I am ALL ABOUT limiting the power and influence of the government. I'm all about state rights, but there doesn't seem to be honest efforts to push true conservatism. Every bill and proposal is polluted with nonsense and half truths. Nothing works the way it should.

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Anymore? ANYMORE???
The Southern Agrarian and Rural Democrats of Henry, Jefferson,
Madison, Rutledge, Calhoun, among many; were our only
States Rights Party; unfortunately fatally tarred by slavery.
The Republicans began in 1856 w/Fremont of California, as an
Anti-Slavery Party, in the pocket of Northern Mercantile Interests.
From Johnson to Hoover they aggressively promoted centralized
government, solidifying its grip on our political system, through
their SCOTUS appointments during that 70 year span.
The GOP were never supporters of States Rights. Ever!!!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The first world is a century or more ahead of the third world. Yeah, once all of the jobs in the states disappear people might be able to find some work in Africa somewhere. I think a jobs crisis in the first world is easily less than a century away. I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 50 years away. Anyway, I was just making the point that living off of the machine is probably the ultimate destiny of humanity, like it or not. We don't need to make any giant policy decisions in the immediate future to prepare for it; I just think it's an interesting topic. I think humanity will slowly gravitate towards that as AI becomes more and more prevalent in our lives.

What I dislike are blanket statements like you make, like 'humanity' when all you mean is some specific segment of this world.

Of course there are instances where some will be able to live off machines, but this is a big, big world we have.  It does not march in lockstep technology.

[Dexter]

What I dislike are blanket statements like you make, like 'humanity' when all you mean is some specific segment of this world.

Of course there are instances where some will be able to live off machines, but this is a big, big world we have.  It does not march in lockstep technology.

I think technology will unify humanity. We unfortunately missed the boat by a handful of generations, but technology is very close to ending an extremely large amount of human strife, assuming we don't destroy ourselves somehow first. If humans of the future can master DNA and unlock the secrets of how our brains work they might even figure out how to live forever.

[Emjay]

I think technology will unify humanity. We unfortunately missed the boat by a handful of generations, but technology is very close to ending an extremely large amount of human strife, assuming we don't destroy ourselves somehow first. If humans of the future can master DNA and unlock the secrets of how our brains work they might even figure out how to live forever.

Dexter, I'm guessing you will become less 'interesting' when you get older, but right now you're kinda fun.

[roamer_1]

I think technology will unify humanity. We unfortunately missed the boat by a handful of generations, but technology is very close to ending an extremely large amount of human strife, assuming we don't destroy ourselves somehow first. If humans of the future can master DNA and unlock the secrets of how our brains work they might even figure out how to live forever.

Hubris.
I think it will go quite the other way.
Corruption is what will happen
Ye too shall be as gods...

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I have never heard of stuff like that happening before. How would that even happen to that guy? How did he go broke over health reasons in a country with universal healthcare? I know there are always bizarre and horrifying circumstances that randomly happen. It happens here sometimes too. I've heard of incapacitated patients without health insurance being abandoned in random locations. Generally speaking though, their healthcare works well for the average person. The large majority in Europe are happy with the way they do healthcare. I really don't think they'd like to switch to how we do it.

You obviously have never lived under government-controlled healthcare.  I have.

I lived in the UK for several years under it.  I recall reading about the woman who complained of a stomach ache and finally went to a doctor about it, only to find out the forceps used in an operation months before had been inadvertantly been left in her abdomen.  Or the friend we had over there whose son had a treatable condition that flared up when living in London.  After checking him into a hospital for treating it, the parents at the hospital's suggestion left him overnight, only to be told when they returned in the morning that the child had died of complications during the night.  No phone call, no remiss, just happened.

My own wife who came down with the flu called the local clinic to make a doctor appt. The nurse asked if it was a public or private insurance call.  My wife asked the difference.  She was told if public, the appt would in in two weeks.  If private, it could be made that day.

No, Socialism in healthcare is not what anyone wants, including the masses of Europe who live under it.

We certainly do not want it here.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Here's an example of what one gets with socialism.

http://www.prageru.com/videos/hows-socialism-doing-venezuela

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I think technology will unify humanity. We unfortunately missed the boat by a handful of generations, but technology is very close to ending an extremely large amount of human strife, assuming we don't destroy ourselves somehow first. If humans of the future can master DNA and unlock the secrets of how our brains work they might even figure out how to live forever.

I like your optimism.

[Dexter]

You obviously have never lived under government-controlled healthcare.  I have.

I lived in the UK for several years under it.  I recall reading about the woman who complained of a stomach ache and finally went to a doctor about it, only to find out the forceps used in an operation months before had been inadvertantly been left in her abdomen.  Or the friend we had over there whose son had a treatable condition that flared up when living in London.  After checking him into a hospital for treating it, the parents at the hospital's suggestion left him overnight, only to be told when they returned in the morning that the child had died of complications during the night.  No phone call, no remiss, just happened.

My own wife who came down with the flu called the local clinic to make a doctor appt. The nurse asked if it was a public or private insurance call.  My wife asked the difference.  She was told if public, the appt would in in two weeks.  If private, it could be made that day.

No, Socialism in healthcare is not what anyone wants, including the masses of Europe who live under it.

We certainly do not want it here.

Every healthcare system has shortcomings and horror stories. I'm sure we could easily find a bunch involving our system if we tried. It's my understanding that the average European is healthier and has a longer life span. I'm also fairly certain that public support for universal healthcare is pretty high.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You obviously have never lived under government-controlled healthcare.  I have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Administration
The first Federal agency to provide medical care to veterans was the Naval Home in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The home was created in 1812

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
begun in 1966

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid
The Social Security Amendments of 1965 created Medicaid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010

Socialism? In American Health Care? I won't stand for that.

[sneakypete]

It's my understanding that the average European is healthier and has a longer life span.

I bet it is also your understanding that Santa visits and leaves all the little chil-runs presents that have been good on Christmas night,too.

I'm also fairly certain that public support for universal healthcare is pretty high.

I'm pretty sure they don't know anything else,so have nothing to compare it to.

Other than those with the means to pay locally,or to travel,that is. They go to private doctors.

Even Gorbachev has to fly from Moscow to West Germany for a heart bypass operation because it wasn't offered or even ever done in the USSR. The Soviets rented the whole top floor of a hospital for him to have a secure place to stay and recover  before he flew back to Moscow. Anyone not a Politburo member would have just died because the Soviet system determined it was cost effective to just let people with heart trouble die.

[Dexter]

I like your optimism.

Against all odds people have made it this far. Betting against humanity is a losing game my friend. There are ups and downs, but in the end I believe good will win.

[LMAO]

. I'm also fairly certain that public support for universal healthcare is pretty high.

But when voted on, it fails in a landslide(CO)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

But when voted on, it fails in a landslide(CO)

Does it?

[LMAO]

Does it?

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/08/coloradocare-amendment-69-election-results/

[Dexter]

But when voted on, it fails in a landslide(CO)

I meant public support in Europe. They are mostly happy with how they do things. I'm not really sure what public support looks like in the states.