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23 Oct 2018 Washington, D.C

As the Democrats drift further leftward into openly embracing socialism, House Majority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) warns the political battle ahead of the midterm elections just two weeks from now is no longer a traditional partisan battle. Instead it is one where the country must confront and reject extreme ideas from the left.

“The debate today is different than the one we had before with Republicans versus Democrats on the size of what government can be,” McCarthy said in an exclusive interview on Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM 125 the Patriot Channel on Tuesday. “You hit the nail on the head: It’s no longer Republicans versus the Democrats, it’s America versus socialism. The movement in this Democratic Party toward clear socialism, that’s what they’re doing on healthcare–government-run, it’s all government telling you what to do and when to do it instead of unshackling and unleashing the great powers of liberty and freedom.”

With the latest caravan of thousands of prospective illegal aliens streaming from Central America through Mexico to the U.S. border right now, McCarthy said people in the United States “should be upset because in Congress we had put a bill on the floor for immigration reform that would deal with this and end catch-and-release and not one Democrat voted for it.”

McCarthy, as Breitbart News has previously exclusively reported, has put forward legislation that would fully fund President Donald Trump’s planned border wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

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McCarthy, as Breitbart News has previously exclusively reported, has put forward legislation that would fully fund President Donald Trump’s planned border wall along the U.S. border with Mexico.

Bullshit kabuki theater:

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To counter the Honduran migrant caravan now headed for the U.S., the official said the administration is also "examining plans" to temporarily close ports of entry at the southern border. But that plan has received pushback within the White House where officials have argued it would hurt interstate commerce"

If they think closing the border 'hurts interstate commerce' - then all this talk of a border wall has been abject bullshit, they have no intention, zero intention of putting one up.
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Just guessing here - the largest portion of the "interstate commerce" is illegal to start with.  Legitimate commerce could be accommodated fairly easily.

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Government run healthcare is not socialism. These terms and labels get abused way too often. Socialism is the government taking over the private sector and managing all production. Most leftists in the states don't want to take it that far. Most people in the states don't even understand what the bleep they're talking about when it comes to capitalism vs socialism, and that's true for both sides. The left wants what Scandinavia has. They want the government to pay for college, healthcare and large social safety nets. All of that is possible without destroying capitalism, but the left AND right seem to be ignorant of that fact.
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Government run healthcare is not socialism. These terms and labels get abused way too often. Socialism is the government taking over the private sector and managing all production. Most leftists in the states don't want to take it that far. Most people in the states don't even understand what the bleep they're talking about when it comes to capitalism vs socialism, and that's true for both sides. The left wants what Scandinavia has. They want the government to pay for college, healthcare and large social safety nets. All of that is possible without destroying capitalism, but the left AND right seem to be ignorant of that fact.

Except the money has to come from somewhere. And the taxes required to pay for those things the left wants, would be astronomical. Unlike many of the Scandinavian countries, we have a population of 326 million people.
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Except the money has to come from somewhere. And the taxes required to pay for those things the left wants, would be astronomical.

Yeah, it would be expensive, but it wouldn't be socialism. To me it's important to frame these disagreements in an honest way. What they want is not impossible. The actual debate is "Should we dedicate that many resources to that goal?" Republicans think no and Democrats think yes.

Unlike many of the Scandinavian countries, we have a population of 326 million people.

Due to our much larger population and all of the many resources on our land, we also have a lot, lot, LOT more cash flow than Scandinavia does. We are the richest country on Earth. The idea that it's impossible due to being cost prohibitive is absurd. Maybe instead of spending a lot of money on those things you think we should be lowering taxes for everybody. That's a reasonable position that you can fight for with honesty. What's not a reasonable position is "What the left wants is impossible."
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...The left wants what Scandinavia has. They want the government to pay for college, healthcare and large social safety nets. All of that is possible without destroying capitalism, but the left AND right seem to be ignorant of that fact.

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Really? What magic trick do you have that makes that work out,ever? Even Sweden had to back away from socialism because they were going broke,despite all the north sea oil money they have flowing in that paid for their socialism up until they started importing the entire freaking 3rd world to prove to people how open-minded they are.

And even with the oil money coming in (FREE MONEY!) they still had insanely high taxes BEFORE they started importing Africa and Arabia.

Now they are going broke and backing away on some of the freebies. Socialists are even losing seats.

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Really? What magic trick do you have that makes that work out,ever? Even Sweden had to back away from socialism because they were going broke,despite all the north sea oil money they have flowing in that paid for their socialism up until they started importing the entire freaking 3rd world to prove to people how open-minded they are.

And even with the oil money coming in (FREE MONEY!) they still had insanely high taxes BEFORE they started importing Africa and Arabia.

Now they are going broke and backing away on some of the freebies. Socialists are even losing seats.

The Scandinavian countries have never been socialist despite what Bernie Sanders and other people suggest. A lot of people don't understand what these words actually mean. Sweden, despite their "turn away from socialism" still has a massive welfare system, which includes government paid for college and healthcare. Despite all of that Sweden is still successful, and according to the World Health Organization the Scandinavian countries are on average the healthiest and happiest in the world. They made a mistake with immigration and they are correcting it.

Now they are going broke and backing away on some of the freebies.

That's not entirely accurate. They're having issues because of their mistakes with immigration, and they are fighting hard to correct those mistakes now. The Scandinavian countries will never reverse course on their humanitarian priorities.
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Government run healthcare is not socialism. These terms and labels get abused way too often. Socialism is the government taking over the private sector and managing all production. Most leftists in the states don't want to take it that far. Most people in the states don't even understand what the bleep they're talking about when it comes to capitalism vs socialism, and that's true for both sides. The left wants what Scandinavia has. They want the government to pay for college, healthcare and large social safety nets. All of that is possible without destroying capitalism, but the left AND right seem to be ignorant of that fact.

I tried but I can't get past that, @Dexter

Those "most leftists" to whom you refer?   

Are they like the supposed 'moderate' democrats who can't find a spine to call out their party leadership on their sprint toward Socialism?

I don't 'see' one...not a single one.  The silent end up complying.   

You don't think the average member of Germany's Socialist Worker's Party wanted to exterminate 6 million "deplorables" did you?  And yet it happened.

Today, the average Democrat has been totally brainwashed with a coordinated 24/7 media attack...Hollywood attack....athlete celebrity attack.  EVERYBODY hates "Trump" and his supporters.

No matter where he/she turns, it's TRUMP IS THE DEVIL.

So please reconsider your POV here.....they are all mindless drones.
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I tried but I can't get past that, @Dexter

I am a stickler for technicalities, DC. Good debate can't happen if the issues are not framed neutrally and honestly. Both sides are really bad at that because of how polarized politics has become.

Those "most leftists" to whom you refer?   

Most leftists talk a lot of shit about capitalism, but it comes from a place of ignorance. They don't actually want to destroy the private sector; they're just ignorant and don't know how to properly describe what they're asking for. In practice I really don't think the left would dismantle capitalism, because that's really not necessary for them to achieve their goals.


You don't think the average member of Germany's Socialist Worker's Party wanted to exterminate 6 million "deplorables" did you?  And yet it happened.

Today, the average Democrat has been totally brainwashed with a coordinated 24/7 media attack...Hollywood attack....athlete celebrity attack.  EVERYBODY hates "Trump" and his supporters.

No matter where he/she turns, it's TRUMP IS THE DEVIL.

So please reconsider your POV here.....they are all mindless drones.

The left is definitely radicalized and foaming at the mouth over Trump. To me that's separate from the debate on policy, though. They're just upset children.
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Let’s see

We have roughly 50 some million people on Medicare. A program, BTW, which is not only expected to grow but is facing insolvency. We also have fewer workers per retiree to pay for these programs. Now,  it doesn’t take a math whiz to figure out what would happen if you were to add 200 million some more people to it.

 We also have 21 trillion in debt and groaning. As interest rates rise, more of our budget is going to go to service the debt than currently.

What the left wants is not impossible. It just mathematically doesn’t add up


 
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Let’s see

We have roughly 50 some million people on Medicare. A program, BTW, which is not only expected to grow but is facing insolvency. We also have fewer workers per retiree to pay for these programs. Now,  it doesn’t take a math whiz to figure out what would happen if you were to add 200 million some more people to it.

 We also have 21 trillion in debt and groaning. As interest rates rise, more of our budget is going to go to service the debt than currently.

What the left wants is not impossible. It just mathematically doesn’t add up

The left also wants to find ways to dramatically reduce military spending so its goals can become affordable. Another point of major disagreement between the left and right is how much military spending is necessary to keep America safe. I don't think people on the left feel that America is anywhere close to being at risk of being overpowered.
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Bullshit kabuki theater:

If they think closing the border 'hurts interstate commerce' - then all this talk of a border wall has been abject bullshit, they have no intention, zero intention of putting one up.

Agreed.  The GOP have had the majority for the past 4 years.  They have had every opportunity to fund a wall and change immigration laws, they have done neither.  Now that their seats are on the line, they're back to proclaiming that they're for a wall and immigration reform.  B.S.  They can't blame the DEMS when they've held the majority. 
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Yeah, it would be expensive, but it wouldn't be socialism. To me it's important to frame these disagreements in an honest way. What they want is not impossible. The actual debate is "Should we dedicate that many resources to that goal?" Republicans think no and Democrats think yes.

Due to our much larger population and all of the many resources on our land, we also have a lot, lot, LOT more cash flow than Scandinavia does. We are the richest country on Earth. The idea that it's impossible due to being cost prohibitive is absurd. Maybe instead of spending a lot of money on those things you think we should be lowering taxes for everybody. That's a reasonable position that you can fight for with honesty. What's not a reasonable position is "What the left wants is impossible."

It would be so close to socialism that almost no one could tell the difference.

Plus, it would be the not-so-thin end of the wedge and would enable the next step to absolute socialism.  No one wants government run and financed health care.  It would be the easiest way to subjugate people. 
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We have roughly 50 some million people on Medicare.

Hey America!!! The socialism is already here...We're just arguing how much it needs expanding or restricting.  And very few are talking about restricting.

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It would be so close to socialism that almost no one could tell the difference.

It wouldn't though. In socialism you wouldn't be able to own your own property and possibly wouldn't even decide where you live. The government would own and control everything. That's crazy, and I really don't think confused leftists want that when they badmouth capitalism. They want what Scandinavia has, which is not socialism, and they have made it clear that they don't consider themselves socialist either, because they're not. Again, if your position is that taxes shouldn't go up on everybody to pay for healthcare and safety nets then we're square. That's reasonable and to an extent I don't disagree, but what everyday leftists are asking for is not socialism.
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Bullshit kabuki theater:

If they think closing the border 'hurts interstate commerce' - then all this talk of a border wall has been abject bullshit, they have no intention, zero intention of putting one up.
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The last quote summarizes the disarray in the WH.
Trump, a compulsive yapper, simply cannot pause and reflect.
He has surrounded himself w/clones of air-head Scaramouche
and the consequence is clash of vision and stalemate.
Quoting a constant thread complainer who hates Trump is a weak attempt to say there is 'disarray in the White House'.

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Methinks McCarthy is seemingly being blatantly conservative at this time to weaken Jordan's move to keep him from the Speakership.

Kevin will go weak-kneed am sure once the vote is tallied in his favor.
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Methinks McCarthy is seemingly being blatantly conservative at this time to weaken Jordan's move to keep him from the Speakership.

Kevin will go weak-kneed am sure once the vote is tallied in his favor.

Absolutely.

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Quoting a constant thread complainer who hates Trump is a weak attempt to say there is 'disarray in the White House'.

Weak?

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To counter the Honduran migrant caravan now headed for the U.S., the official said the administration is also "examining plans" to temporarily close ports of entry at the southern border. But that plan has received pushback within the White House where officials have argued it would hurt interstate commerce"

I assume your definition of 'disarray' in what Trump says and what is actually reported in regards to 'pushback' from within his own cabinet is different than what the rest of us would define 'disarray'.  But then war is peace, freedom is slavery, socialism is Conservatism in todays lexicon.
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The Scandinavian countries have never been socialist despite what Bernie Sanders and other people suggest.

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They made a mistake with immigration.


Yeah,that's ONE way of putting it.

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It wouldn't though. In socialism you wouldn't be able to own your own property and possibly wouldn't even decide where you live.

That is already passively applied.

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Hey America!!! The socialism is already here...We're just arguing how much it needs expanding or restricting.  And very few are talking about restricting.

Medicare is mandated once you reach full retirement age and those that have private health insurance that insurance becomes their secondary insurance.  Keep in mind though that most of us have had Medicaid taxes taken out of our paychecks for quite sometime.
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Medicare is mandated once you reach full retirement age and those that have private health insurance that insurance becomes their secondary insurance.  Keep in mind though that most of us have had Medicaid taxes taken out of our paychecks for quite sometime.
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